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In reply to the discussion: Beware the gun nerds. [View all]

haele

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21. We do, but SMEs can also confuse the issue.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 05:08 PM
Feb 2018

The issue is how a high-velocity/high capacity firearm - handgun or rifle - can be used to intimidate or harm/kill significantly large groups of unwitting people than, say, a shotgun or a machete by someone who has easy access to it and decides - for whatever reason that person chooses.
If an SME make it about "well, this gun isn't what you say it is"... that just changes the subject from the irresponsible use of an easily accessible weapon to an exercise in emotional one-ups-man-ship, while one side is trying to point out "hey, there's a problem with easy and minimally regulated access to these weapons that can't be used for anything but killing large amounts of targets just because someone feels like it" and the other side is returning with "That's not My problem, because I'm responsible and knowledgeable, so stop attacking my hobby because you don't know what you're talking about..."

Mental illness - plenty of people are mentally ill.

But the reality is - the one we as a society don't like to consider - is that not all mass shooters would even fall under the "mentally ill" DX.
Most of them are like the guy Michael Douglas played in "Falling Down". They're just average people who're marginally average on the emotional scale and had one too many bad days, have easy access to a legally purchased high velocity/high capacity firearm, and decide to take out some of their rage and fear stress on something. Most of them could be that reasonable neighbor who's just under a bit of strain, or the co-worker you go out for drinks with after a long shift, or the assistant coach of your kid's Little League team. Maybe they had a bit of a "wild streak" or a bit of a temper and screwed up a bit, but they paid their dues.
They seem to be like you and me - until they aren't.

So, this time, their "shooting range" was the local church, shopping mall, or high school. Easy animate targets that satisfy the lizard brain. They're just a bit out of it that day and want to Burn It All Down and Prove That They're In-Charge, God Damnit!
(They usually only become suicidal once they snap out of their rage and realize they've destroyed their own lives.)

So, it doesn't matter if it's a clip or a magazine. It doesn't matter what caliber the bullets are. All that really matters is that firearms that can spray a lot of bullets out and cause a lot of damage are really easy to get in this country, especially ones marketed to people who need emotional support.

I've had firearms training in the military. It's really easy to shoot once you get the hang of it. And I've realized that when I'm shooting, there's this feeling of ultimate power I get - my Lizard Brain is getting stoked every time I pull the trigger and hear that bat-bat-bat-bat of rounds going off and the target getting shredded.

Haele

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Beware the gun nerds. [View all] mac56 Feb 2018 OP
yes its just deflection mikeysnot Feb 2018 #1
Just happened to me posting this 60-100 Round Magazine AR-15 info etc OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #23
If you go to any gun forum mitch96 Feb 2018 #61
Are we taking names. OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #63
Yep. Semantics and technicalities underpants Feb 2018 #2
Oh my .... look.... a squirrel... magicarpet Feb 2018 #3
What?? mac56 Feb 2018 #4
lul WTF ! stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #7
SHOOT IT!!! LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Feb 2018 #5
The Army doesn't buy AR-15's. john657 Feb 2018 #8
It's the civilian equivalent of the M-16 used in Vietnam Farmer-Rick Feb 2018 #30
Why can't you eat meat sarisataka Feb 2018 #32
"Can't hunt with it" Can't hunt large animals with it because the round is too weak. EX500rider Feb 2018 #55
No, it would chop the head off of your prey, or cut it into pieces, it's a lazy man's hunting rifle. Farmer-Rick Feb 2018 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Feb 2018 #69
Yup, yup yup Farmer-Rick Feb 2018 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Feb 2018 #68
Nice bait. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #29
IT'S a typical tactic of RWNJ/russian trolls . stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #6
I'm swiping the phrase Boom Boom Sticks. irisblue Feb 2018 #9
The problem is, it works for them. From now on, ridicule them and move on. DO NOT ENGAGE! Squinch Feb 2018 #10
I don;t see people interested in mocking.... Adrahil Feb 2018 #11
Seriously? mac56 Feb 2018 #12
Yes. Seriously. Adrahil Feb 2018 #36
"DON'T YOU SEE???? THERE ARE ONLY TWO POSSIBLE CHOICES! BE A GUN NUT OR Squinch Feb 2018 #79
This subject appears to be the exception as youve picked up on. Displaying technical knowledge... Marengo Feb 2018 #15
We do, but SMEs can also confuse the issue. haele Feb 2018 #21
Thanks for the thoughtful approach. Adrahil Feb 2018 #35
You must not be looking very hard. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #46
smug, pedantic gun humpers think they can bullshit us with jargon samir.g Feb 2018 #13
In the last few days I've gained some experience with gun "advocates" on Facebook Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #14
I'm running into JustAnotherGen Feb 2018 #77
One can produce shitty ineffective laws unless one knows the basics Kaleva Feb 2018 #16
Thats one big issue Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #19
The gungeon here is actually a great place to learn about guns and gun laws Kaleva Feb 2018 #20
Damn Right Leith Feb 2018 #17
But then you have to trust the "experts" to reduce emissions and build safe buildings. Kaleva Feb 2018 #22
Let's use your examples: yagotme Feb 2018 #38
No, I Don't Know Anything About Guns Leith Feb 2018 #52
I have some questions about your post... yagotme Feb 2018 #70
"Teh Flash Suppressor Wargle Bargle Clip-Fed Bwaahhggh Receiversafetytriggerguard Guuhhhh!!!" hatrack Feb 2018 #18
Sometimes words matter when trying to advance the discussion. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #24
Yep, when you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #25
Whats really funny is they typically don't know shit about boom sticks mentalslavery Feb 2018 #26
Yes, and a lot of them live right here in River City. Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #27
Too true... n/t billh58 Feb 2018 #31
One effective response... Hassler Feb 2018 #28
I believe anyone sarisataka Feb 2018 #33
I'm an expert Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #40
Oh? Do you know what the melting point temperature of the average rifle is? snort Feb 2018 #43
I can't argue sarisataka Feb 2018 #50
"Third time"? Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #60
Prohibition sarisataka Feb 2018 #64
Lemme tell ya a little story. Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #66
It's us who are "ignorant" that are denigrated by the "experts" SHRED Feb 2018 #47
I spent twenty years sarisataka Feb 2018 #49
Being corrected vs being mocked. mac56 Feb 2018 #51
With few exceptions sarisataka Feb 2018 #53
Best reply yet to to gun nerds of the GOP politician type: FailureToCommunicate Feb 2018 #34
Boy don't I know! SHRED Feb 2018 #37
I am proud to not know the difference. I know they ALL can kill. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2018 #39
Just had my own back and forth with one the other day. callous taoboy Feb 2018 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #44
The only technical issue is the degree of lethality grantcart Feb 2018 #45
Thank you SHRED Feb 2018 #48
Yes, but...alright it's a little gun nerdy... ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #72
Gun-strokers love Nomenclature Game. Fact is, semi-autos -- compared to a fully-automatic rifles -- Hoyt Feb 2018 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #59
Some basic semblance of knowledge should be required... Baconator Feb 2018 #56
LOL Scurrilous Feb 2018 #57
I'm sure it's part of mass shooting bingo mcar Feb 2018 #62
Yeah I'm fucking sick and tired of gun worshippers. milestogo Feb 2018 #65
Kick. Out in force. nt LexVegas Feb 2018 #67
I do not care to learn about guns. All I know is that they are killing machines. johnpowdy Feb 2018 #71
exactly - it is all deflection. OhioBlue Feb 2018 #73
NRA tactic. Apparently we can't bear witness to the effects guns have applegrove Feb 2018 #74
I had a guy bully me for saying assult clips joem777 Feb 2018 #75
They can mock all they want JustAnotherGen Feb 2018 #76
Just say! Soxfan58 Feb 2018 #78
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