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13. I'll take a shot -- While opinions vary, it appears military votes went 2, or 3, to 1 for trump.

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:23 PM

Feb 2018

That tells me something about that group. Plus, with no draft today, people who go into the military are attracted to guns by and large. Some go to further their education and similar reasons. But after the mass killings in Iraq, I'd think there are better ways for that.

Hunters -- I think they tend to be conservative and rural. But truth is, only 6% of adults have been hunting in that past 12 months. So, if you throw out those who just went once on some corporate outing or getaway to drink and stuff, there are not many folks who hunt to feed their family. Personally, someone who hunts animals -- not humans -- for food is not a big concern for me. Trophy hunters can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

In any event, this is an ad campaign for Bushmaster rifles -- that were used by the killer at Sandy Hook -- that pretty much nails who the rifles are aimed at:

I'm not sure I've articulated this exactly as I would if I had more time.

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Can someone explain to me why military and/or hunting families are pro-gun? [View all] BigmanPigman Feb 2018 OP

Since you are unfamiliar with bore and muzzle velocity... SHRED Feb 2018 #1

HUH? BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #2

I referring to the "gun-splainers" SHRED Feb 2018 #5

Nothing stated is going to change your mind Kaleva Feb 2018 #3

"pro gun" hunter Feb 2018 #39

+1 TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #41

a gun is a tool DBoon Feb 2018 #83

And yet the pro gun folks wont give em up no matter how many people die. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #77

Very few of the hardcore on either side will change their minds Kaleva Feb 2018 #81

Rifles are fun to shoot if you know what you are doing. It's a sport. McCamy Taylor Feb 2018 #4

Except that car owners associations don't oppose licenses & registration of cars. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #17

And car manufacturer's have no liability limits RainCaster Feb 2018 #37

The manufacturer of any other type of product would be sued into oblivion. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #47

"take steps immediately to change the product to prevent it from being used so" EX500rider Feb 2018 #51

The difference is, of course, that trucks aren't designed to kill people. Guns are. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #53

I am not the one who said "any other type of product" EX500rider Feb 2018 #54

No, you're the one pushing the RW spin. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #55

Any other type of product equals a Renault Midlum 270. No if, and, but, or accusation of RW spin Marengo Feb 2018 #67

One of the NRA's favorite responses to the need for actual, effective gun control TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #69

Has Renault been sued into oblivion? Marengo Feb 2018 #70

Show me 20 instances where a Renault truck has been used to commit mass murder. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #73

LOL! Shifting the goal posts, eh? Why would you need to do such a thing? Now, how about answering... Marengo Feb 2018 #74

Not at all. You & the other poster are trying to equate vehicular homicide with gun violence. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #75

LOL! Just as I thought. Lets try again shall we? Marengo Feb 2018 #82

Still trying to push those NRA talking points? You're more obtuse that I would've thought. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #86

Was Renault sued into oblivion as you suggested it would be? Marengo Feb 2018 #108

Bwahahahaha!!!!! Are you back for act two of the script? You certainly never veer from it! Squinch Feb 2018 #89

Was Renault sued into oblivion as that poster suggested it would be? Marengo Feb 2018 #109

"What about knives????1? Are you going to outlaw knives????1" Squinch Feb 2018 #110

Show me 20 instances where a Renault truck has been used to commit mass murder. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #111

Was Renault sued into oblivion as you suggested it would be in post #47? Marengo Feb 2018 #114

Where are the MULTIPLE MASS MURDERS that would cause them to be sued TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #118

Nope, try again. Was Renault sued into oblivion as you suggested it would be? Youve added the... Marengo Feb 2018 #121

Its amusing to me that you consider the repetition of script as an original thought, as if that... Marengo Feb 2018 #116

And back to "I know you are but what am I?" You're too much. Squinch Feb 2018 #120

Yet more original thought from you. Well, I suppose I should be impressed you didnt bleat... Marengo Feb 2018 #123

Go ahead: script! There's one. And can't wait to see which bingo square you spout next! Squinch Feb 2018 #125

Cars have many uses other than running people over DBoon Feb 2018 #85

Bingo. You get it. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #87

Please, you said something silly, I called you on it, you doubled down, EX500rider Feb 2018 #94

And the fact that you're literally reading Wayne LaPierre's script has nothing to do with it. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #95

NRA SCRIPT NRA TALKING POINTS!!!! Is nothing more than a script itself. Marengo Feb 2018 #124

Oh, the irony! Does it bother you that people keep pointing out your SCRIPT?? It seems to! Squinch Feb 2018 #126

Theres two within moments of each other. Please continue, Im certain youll rack up an... Marengo Feb 2018 #127

You aren't very good at counting. Is that because it's not part of the SCRIPT? Squinch Feb 2018 #129

Theres 3, still waiting for something unscripted from you. Marengo Feb 2018 #131

You're so cute! And go back. It's a lot more than three references to your SCRIPT! Squinch Feb 2018 #132

And now 4. Please do continue, you may mistakenly wander into something original. Of course.. Marengo Feb 2018 #133

You're not very good at this are you? TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #136

LOL! Im not the one who made a spurious claim and modified it mid-stream as camouflage. Marengo Feb 2018 #137

Poorly programmed computers get caught in endless loops. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #139

Was Renault sued into oblivion as you claimed they would be? Marengo Feb 2018 #140

So it seems you're less intelligent than a poorly programmed computer. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #142

Was Renault sued into oblivion as you claimed they would be? Renault vehicles used in 2 terrorist... Marengo Feb 2018 #143

K&R SharonClark Feb 2018 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author RestoreAmerica2020 Feb 2018 #57

cars are not BUILT to KILL. guns are. spanone Feb 2018 #130

People who grow up w guns are afraid to do without them. They get accustomed to a false bettyellen Feb 2018 #6

It's a matter of culture. Adrahil Feb 2018 #7

Most hunters do not kill for sport, and in fact despise those who do. NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #8

All of the hunters I know hunt for fun, not the meat. It is a hobby, not a way to get food. nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #10

Why not both? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #11

You gun posts have been entertaining. n.t USALiberal Feb 2018 #14

Glad to be of service. I just get tired of the idea that hunting is acceptable only when the hunter WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #25

You have very different friends / acquaintances than me. NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #15

Cool story. nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #16

It's not a story. nt NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #19

Unless they can't afford to buy food, they are doing it for fun regardless of Squinch Feb 2018 #18

I'm not saying he doesn't enjoy it. NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #22

In the economically depressed area of rural Ohio I grew up in, hunting provided a considerable... Marengo Feb 2018 #72

Do those people have an average of 12 guns, including the $600-$1000 AR-15? Squinch Feb 2018 #79

Exactly. Hoyt Feb 2018 #107

Irrelevant to my point concerning hunting as a valuable supplement for some. Marengo Feb 2018 #115

If they can afford to buy a dozen $1000 firearms, but can't afford feed their family TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #119

Again, irrelevant to the point I was making. I should think a smarter dog would realize that. Marengo Feb 2018 #122

The fact that can't see the relevance says a lot about you. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #138

There is no relevance, and we both know you understand this. Marengo Feb 2018 #141

lol ! stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #62

It may not be an easy way to get food, but it is a cheap way . . . markpkessinger Feb 2018 #27

Cool story flying rabbit Feb 2018 #56

The company you keep Sailor65x1 Feb 2018 #61

They may give the food to the needy treestar Feb 2018 #92

I always ask mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #9

Army veteran tazkcmo Feb 2018 #12

I'll take a shot -- While opinions vary, it appears military votes went 2, or 3, to 1 for trump. Hoyt Feb 2018 #13

99% of gun violence is done by men! BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #28

Good point. Would have loved to see how Clinton reacted to this junk. Hoyt Feb 2018 #31

I like your choice of the word "junk". BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #32

That's it, a stupid ass image they have of themselves. njhoneybadger Feb 2018 #35

90% of homicides are committed by men and they are 77% of the victims. EX500rider Feb 2018 #50

Why are hunters pro-gun? left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #20

Haven't seen a lot Tribalceltic Feb 2018 #59

And you won't see hunters doing multiple murders left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #64

It's good to have some degree of control over your own defense Calculating Feb 2018 #21

My son n law is colonel in AF marlakay Feb 2018 #23

Most of today's "gun culture" exists simply because "those elite liberals" object to guns. Squinch Feb 2018 #24

Your last sentence sums up what Wayne LaPierre BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #30

My brothers hunt KentuckyWoman Feb 2018 #26

I get it, but the number of hunters who do it to put food on table is very small in this country. Hoyt Feb 2018 #33

Is hunting for food more economical than buying it ? rickford66 Feb 2018 #58

Nobody hates drunken hunters from the city more than the ranchers in my family. hunter Feb 2018 #78

Dear BigmanPigman, enough Feb 2018 #29

I find target shooting sarisataka Feb 2018 #34

And it's a great way to learn about the natural world. nocalflea Feb 2018 #49

My dad and my father-in-law just said "no" to guns in their military service. hunter Feb 2018 #36

Could you explain how sarisataka Feb 2018 #40

He joined the Navy. hunter Feb 2018 #42

Thank you sarisataka Feb 2018 #44

My Dad Did That Too ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #65

It's always funny. Lord_at_War Feb 2018 #117

My dad was a Navy Corpsman... Adrahil Feb 2018 #43

Over in the first Gulf sarisataka Feb 2018 #48

They let them now Sgent Feb 2018 #91

Where i live it is a needed tool gay texan Feb 2018 #38

Pigs are the most dangerous animal in the California forest. hunter Feb 2018 #45

Different strokes. nocalflea Feb 2018 #52

I am not reading all the responses here because it disturbs me too much. Silver Swan Feb 2018 #60

i under stand completely. gay texan Feb 2018 #63

Yeah, I come from a military family, and my father hunted Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #66

Been around guns my entire life and I'm a army vet... cynatnite Feb 2018 #68

Because they know more about guns and understand them more than anti-gun types Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #71

Bull. People who have never shot a gun can express a cogent opinion about the damn things, Hoyt Feb 2018 #80

Sure you can form an opinion Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #96

Sorry, you're wrong. A gun lover can't be objective. A dead kid means nothing compared to their gunz Hoyt Feb 2018 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #98

I guess you'd have George Zimmerman draft gun and civil rights laws. Hoyt Feb 2018 #103

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #104

So I have to be a white wing gun-stroker to understand dead kids ain't right? Hoyt Feb 2018 #105

I'm not scared of guns. hunter Feb 2018 #88

LOL so someone who has not shot a gun cant have a RATIONAL opposition to them...wow Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #99

They are into killing, obviously samir.g Feb 2018 #76

just like I don't really care about vegan's reason to be what they are, neither do I with pacifist.. beachbum bob Feb 2018 #84

I'm not sure they're "pro-all-guns." They just want to keep hunting. mainer Feb 2018 #90

We are never going... Snackshack Feb 2018 #93

What is a high velocity round you want to ban? Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #97

Read these. Snackshack Feb 2018 #101

That didnt answer the question Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #102

I wanna allow each state to abide by the 2nd amendment and enforce guns Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #106

Yeah Mr. smarty pants. There are DU members who may not be firearms experts GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #112

There are gun-fetishists and hunters. They are different. The fetishists are insane sharedvalues Feb 2018 #113

You somehow have to list your masculine bonafides MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #128

I sort of mentioned this point because to me it BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #134

Yes, and we should be able to address it without being perceived as attacking masculinity MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #135