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106. Truthfully, at my age I probably would have run in, because I don't have a lot to lose. BUT

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:38 PM

Feb 2018

I might well have shot the first thing that moved by mistake, or made things worse by turning it into a hostage situation. Cruz could have killed a lot more people.

I see a lot of gun jocks -- many hero-wannabes -- talking about how they would have rushed in, but I bet it would be just like when Gabby Giffords was attached. People in the audience were armed, but they couldn't do anything.

I still would like to hear what the man says.

Quite frankly, I think a lot of this is people trying to make a scapegoat out of this guy to avoid blaming the FBI, local Sheriff, adoptive gunner father who was OK with this kid having these weapons. lawmakers who allowed lax gun laws, etc. Plus, I doubt seriously that the guard was trained for this situation, and if he was he wasn't trained to rush in guns ablaze when kids are there and he didn't know what was going on. I doubt he had the benefit of surveillance cameras, one of those snakes they use on TV as the SWAT squad waits outside to view what is happening, etc.

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The School Cop...who didn't charge into the Chaos.? [View all] busterbrown Feb 2018 OP

I definitely understand his point of view and this explains his actions. BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #1

There was a post yesterday with the test video of a person armed in classroom... brush Feb 2018 #121

Yes, everyone should see that treestar Feb 2018 #138

omg turnitup Feb 2018 #198

I don't understand your question. brush Feb 2018 #233

This one, probably RandomAccess Feb 2018 #243

Yeah, I'm Good With That ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #2

And I suspect the cop was outgunned. Baitball Blogger Feb 2018 #10

He Had A Handgun ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #16

So he was armed better than anyone else there, MichMary Feb 2018 #23

Bangs head malaise Feb 2018 #65

Yeah. Right. n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #68

He was no match for that weapon of war n/t malaise Feb 2018 #70

Then he needed a better weapon. Straw Man Feb 2018 #76

+1 n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #85

Give them tanks!!!! Good enough? nt Blue_true Feb 2018 #104

No. Absolutely inappropriate for the situation. Straw Man Feb 2018 #140

And you may want to move away from the creative fiction of movies LanternWaste Feb 2018 #110

What fiction? Straw Man Feb 2018 #145

Have you seen MichMary Feb 2018 #83

He knew damned well if he went barrelling down a hallway with a 9mm against a unknown.... Old Vet Feb 2018 #182

Look at it this way. Straw Man Feb 2018 #79

Or put simpler malaise Feb 2018 #81

Easy. Straw Man Feb 2018 #84

Is That Why Trump & The NRA Coming Down So Hard On Him?..... global1 Feb 2018 #11

Because he failed to do his job. Straw Man Feb 2018 #74

I think you're failing the point here Lithos Feb 2018 #100

Actually, not at all. Straw Man Feb 2018 #101

That's what I just said in my post below, not having read yours. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #129

No single cop is going to charge in there and take on an active shooter. Chemisse Feb 2018 #178

The Sheriff says otherwise. That was his JOB. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #215

That Man RobinA Feb 2018 #150

School resource officers SCantiGOP Feb 2018 #172

I think you should take a gun safety class as in the video. pazzyanne Feb 2018 #164

That video is the furthest thing from a "gun safety class." Straw Man Feb 2018 #222

But do we know what his training was? mythology Feb 2018 #220

No, we don't. Straw Man Feb 2018 #223

Yes - because his story runs counter to the NRA narrative Politicub Feb 2018 #143

Why is this guy getting a pass? Aren't police the ones who are supposed to protect us? Always Right Feb 2018 #253

Guns are not magic wands Politicub Feb 2018 #254

Cops don't have xray vision Always Right Feb 2018 #257

Gun mart then? Politicub Feb 2018 #258

When drafting laws, details matter Always Right Feb 2018 #259

I am not crafting a law Politicub Feb 2018 #262

How is asking you to speak intelligently using proper terms, trying to shut you up? Always Right Feb 2018 #263

Exactly. The love the pipe dream of the 'good guy with a gun'. Chemisse Feb 2018 #181

As a defacto security monitor, I'd rather him direct escaping victims forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #126

He wasn't a security guard. He was armed law enforcement. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #130

why try when there is no chance you will treestar Feb 2018 #142

There WAS a chance. We'll never know how much, because he didn't even try. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #151

I would hope the training forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #234

The shooter was killing multiple innocent kids and adults. No question. He had to go in. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #238

Monday Morning Quarterbacking. forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #239

No, not Monday quarterbacking. That was his JOB. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #240

You won't bring these children and teachers back with your outrage. forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #241

Don't be condescending. I am being factual. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #242

He would have been slaughtered Corgigal Feb 2018 #152

A lot of assumptions there. We'll have to agree to disagree. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #154

Not really Corgigal Feb 2018 #158

Yes, indeed. "There would have been light from the crack in the door"... Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #212

Unarmed teachers were trapped Corgigal Feb 2018 #221

Barricaded subject? Straw Man Feb 2018 #224

And a lot of assumptions on your part. LiberalFighter Feb 2018 #203

Actually, no. I'm going by pure facts. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #210

I admit that I don't know the training... forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #235

No one does their job today. Denis 11 Feb 2018 #247

Absolutely! ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #213

How many more threads on this are we going to have? RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #3

most of them were extremely critical of the guy.. busterbrown Feb 2018 #6

Ive seen at least two or three on the first page.... RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #8

So? n/t malaise Feb 2018 #55

Hmmmmm..... Squinch Feb 2018 #73

Man Im like potato chip to you RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #96

I agree. CozyMystery Feb 2018 #4

I don't think I would have run right into the middle of all that myself. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2018 #5

If he hasn't fired his weapon in years, he shouldn't be carrying it PJMcK Feb 2018 #12

For all I know he went to target practice once a week. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2018 #18

Outside of specialized officers like SWAT members DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2018 #36

He is a deputy sheriff so I am sure he shoots often GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #38

Like the old western gun fight treestar Feb 2018 #146

I thought police officers were supposed to do periodic certification on guns? nt Blue_true Feb 2018 #107

90% of cops NEVER fire their weapon at a person in their lifetime! Nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #112

i cant blame him either... samnsara Feb 2018 #67

He might not have seen anything, only heard shots. Hence not sure you rush in Hoyt Feb 2018 #69

So, what was the gun for? MichMary Feb 2018 #7

So easy to say.."If I were there" n/t busterbrown Feb 2018 #14

The guys with balls and no guns pintobean Feb 2018 #131

I didn't take a job as armed law enforcement to protect kids. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #132

+1000 nt Shipwack Feb 2018 #160

So easy to judge isn't it? pazzyanne Feb 2018 #180

Yaaa Gunz! He should have shot the AR15 out of the shooter's hands. That's what I would have done! FSogol Feb 2018 #15

He should have done something MichMary Feb 2018 #19

Too bad you weren't there to fix everything. FSogol Feb 2018 #21

I'm not trained MichMary Feb 2018 #26

Big talk. mac56 Feb 2018 #34

The real world isn't like a tv show or a video game. Cops don't spend their time in shoot outs FSogol Feb 2018 #35

Okay. So maybe MichMary Feb 2018 #40

Yeah, only gun nutz and scared special snowflakes should be armed? Pathetic. FSogol Feb 2018 #41

I'm not the one who thinks MichMary Feb 2018 #48

They actually aren't intended to prevent things treestar Feb 2018 #161

Cops have a gun to protect themselves from loonies and criminal with guns. boston bean Feb 2018 #47

Cops have guns only for self-defense. MichMary Feb 2018 #52

And to keep the peace. boston bean Feb 2018 #62

Yes, they don't have them to save the world treestar Feb 2018 #163

They are armed to deal with normal criminals treestar Feb 2018 #159

Maybe you should go meet him and tell him that..to his face.. pangaia Feb 2018 #92

Since he is behind locked doors MichMary Feb 2018 #94

"Just sayin,' is one of the most overused and obvious put downs here.. pangaia Feb 2018 #95

Sorry I annoyed you MichMary Feb 2018 #105

No, you're not. And your Dana Loesch shtick ain't gonna fly on DU. SMC22307 Feb 2018 #249

++++ pangaia Feb 2018 #89

In the Congressional Baseball game, 3 Capitol police were out gunned oasis Feb 2018 #58

R.U. stating Con. Baseball game presented the same busterbrown Feb 2018 #226

Capitol police faced superior fire power but did not shrink from oasis Feb 2018 #246

No security guards died at Parkland obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #147

Aaron Feis MichMary Feb 2018 #153

Not for massacres. For ordinary, run of the mill, thugs. Preferably unarmed. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #189

Ordinary, run of the mill, thugs MichMary Feb 2018 #206

No excuse Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #9

rly? did he sleep through mopinko Feb 2018 #13

There were armed guards at Columbine too. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #32

The school resource officer (cop) MichMary Feb 2018 #66

active shooting policy changed drastically after Columbine samir.g Feb 2018 #80

Yeah, it was pretty bad at Columbine. Mariana Feb 2018 #102

+1,000 malaise Feb 2018 #17

Amazing that so many state... busterbrown Feb 2018 #20

As they say malaise Feb 2018 #24

At this point malaise the cop should be put on suicide watch, Can you even begin to imagine......... Old Vet Feb 2018 #186

When you're a vet you understand malaise Feb 2018 #219

He's got soul, but he's not a soldier. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #22

$76,000/year to do MichMary Feb 2018 #44

Yup. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #51

It suggests there is more to the gig than you are thinking, though treestar Feb 2018 #199

I suppose. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #205

I don't think we really know what his duties were treestar Feb 2018 #166

And they want teachers to do what a school policeman won't. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #25

nice to try to blame some lone person when all the whole system FAILED bluestarone Feb 2018 #27

Good Point...! n/t busterbrown Feb 2018 #28

Thank you. n/t sarge43 Feb 2018 #120

There was a whole system failure, INCLUDING this guy who failed utterly to do his job. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #134

I don't blame the school cop. vlyons Feb 2018 #29

Untrained and unarmed students and teachers did a hell of a lot more than he did. n/t cynatnite Feb 2018 #31

Did you time warp from the 1970s? Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #53

Sorry, I don't understand... cynatnite Feb 2018 #30

Very Easy to say... busterbrown Feb 2018 #37

At close range inside the weapons are not that mismatched Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #49

Yep... cynatnite Feb 2018 #57

He has the same training that's required of every cop in that state. It's a requirement... cynatnite Feb 2018 #54

How do you know what his job was? treestar Feb 2018 #167

The news said what his job was and Sheriff Israel even talked about him. n/t cynatnite Feb 2018 #168

What is the list of his duties treestar Feb 2018 #169

Seriously? cynatnite Feb 2018 #171

Really? treestar Feb 2018 #173

I'm not the one that's giving a trained and experienced police officer a free pass... cynatnite Feb 2018 #176

Consider this pazzyanne Feb 2018 #185

It's the cop's job to go find the shooter and confront him... cynatnite Feb 2018 #209

Easy to judge without all the facts. pazzyanne Feb 2018 #211

It's also easy if you've never experienced life and death situations... cynatnite Feb 2018 #216

Everyone calling this cop a coward.. busterbrown Feb 2018 #187

Yeah I'm wondering if they would treestar Feb 2018 #194

As an ex-student, the shooter knew there was an armed cop at the school. rickford66 Feb 2018 #33

Nope. Adrahil Feb 2018 #39

Have experience with fire dept.. busterbrown Feb 2018 #42

Then dont become a cop? Adrahil Feb 2018 #46

In your fire fighter example were you all alone? n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #43

Doesnt matter. Adrahil Feb 2018 #50

It does matter. You had support and the tools to do the job. He didn't n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #59

BS. Adrahil Feb 2018 #64

He should have been armed with an automatic weapon, however treestar Feb 2018 #201

It's a relevant question because no firefighter would rush into a burning procon Feb 2018 #165

Cops aren't required to protect NewDem17 Feb 2018 #75

Are you talking about Gonzales v. Castle Rock? Squinch Feb 2018 #91

They need to change their mottos then Exotica Feb 2018 #119

90% of cops never fire their gun in a llifetime.... USALiberal Feb 2018 #115

No. He failed in his duty when the time came. Period Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #45

+1 Adrahil Feb 2018 #56

Very well said. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #60

***THIS*** n/t cynatnite Feb 2018 #61

Thanks for your perspective, Lee-Lee n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #78

If he knew what was happening, where shooter or shooters were, where students were, etc., Hoyt Feb 2018 #86

The fact that this guy quit as quickly as he did speaks louder than anything else. cynatnite Feb 2018 #93

Truthfully, at my age I probably would have run in, because I don't have a lot to lose. BUT Hoyt Feb 2018 #106

His job was to go in and figure out the things he didnt know Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #103

Yeah, if I remember you were quick to defend Darren Wilson, even though he blasted away in a Hoyt Feb 2018 #111

His first and most important job was protecting the students Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #116

Shooting them up or creating a hostage situation would not fulfill that responsibility. Hoyt Feb 2018 #188

He quit because he knew all the guilty parties were going to scapegoat him and he might lose his Hoyt Feb 2018 #190

What you saw on the TV was not an active shooter Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #197

The guard didn't know what was going on -- hostage, mass murder, some fool shooting off his gun, 10 Hoyt Feb 2018 #204

When you hear then gunshots its clear whats going on Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #208

Well, I know this -- Las Vegas SWAT Team Waited One Hour Before Entering Killers Hotel Room. Hoyt Feb 2018 #217

Vegas SWAT waited because bye the time they reached the hallway he had stopped firing Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #218

Oh we can't hear his side! treestar Feb 2018 #175

I will agree he did fail at his duty, but his reaction is understandable and relatable. Oneironaut Feb 2018 #98

Problem now is, every kid will look at their SRO and wonder, "Would you even try to help me, Demit Feb 2018 #113

Great post... ADX Feb 2018 #99

Nope! Nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #118

Who says anyone has to give their life to save anyone else? treestar Feb 2018 #170

When you swear to become an officer you accept that your risk Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #179

He might have been wiling to accept that risk treestar Feb 2018 #196

Thank you for posting this and thank you for having served your community. grossproffit Feb 2018 #250

His duty was not to commit suicide Politicub Feb 2018 #255

Well, do you still feel that way after hearing the guard's response today? Hoyt Feb 2018 #260

Yes Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #261

man o man i understand his reluctance as well. I think thats asking way too much.. samnsara Feb 2018 #63

Some here are stating that busterbrown Feb 2018 #71

Yeah you really dont know much about guns do you? Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #123

Rifle Rifle? busterbrown Feb 2018 #184

I know little about guns treestar Feb 2018 #202

I think I've read MichMary Feb 2018 #157

I do feel sorry for him, but at the same time... Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #72

Question for any cops around here: if a cop comes upon a situation where he has a Squinch Feb 2018 #77

No. Straw Man Feb 2018 #82

Thanks for the aswer. I'm glad I'm not a school cop. And, as a school employee, they Squinch Feb 2018 #87

No one should ever be compelled ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #90

That depends on the situation. In this case no Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #122

Thank you for this answer. Squinch Feb 2018 #124

I think School shootings are something he is aware of JDC Feb 2018 #88

Negative. Snackshack Feb 2018 #97

they would rather praise a dead hero Motley13 Feb 2018 #108

We'll never know because he didn't even try. He stayed where he was safe. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #136

I stand by what he did - absolutely did the right thing. To coin a phrase, you don't take a knife iluvtennis Feb 2018 #109

You are 100% wrong Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #114

This is the right answer... nil desperandum Feb 2018 #149

Sorry...this is a religious argument, so will agree to disagree. nt iluvtennis Feb 2018 #244

How would the cop hiding outside know what weapon the killer was using? Always Right Feb 2018 #248

some officers are taking a pledge to act . Its a decision they need to make before it happens lunasun Feb 2018 #117

For those who dont understand why cops and others are so harsh on him Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #125

Huge fucking COWARDS who wouldnt even take his job in the first place will Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #127

I'm not okay w/his actions. He wasn't armed for misbehaving students. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #128

He only was armed with a pistol JPPaverage Feb 2018 #133

No cop is trained to charge into an unknown situation alone. bullimiami Feb 2018 #135

I agree. They've made an exception since Columbine, but it doesn't make sense. pnwmom Feb 2018 #191

I would rather hear the whole story treestar Feb 2018 #137

I agree with you busterbrown VaBchTgerLily Feb 2018 #139

And, it was in Parkland obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #141

I can see it both ways, but he doesn't deserve to be castigated... or likely threatened Chakaconcarne Feb 2018 #144

And, this is the problem.... mudstump Feb 2018 #148

He was the only one there orangecrush Feb 2018 #155

I agree however, this might warrant other schools to review their safety officers creds OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #156

I agree TNLib Feb 2018 #162

"sacrifice" orangecrush Feb 2018 #174

I knew an LAPD cop who left the force after the Watts Riots. At 6'4" he kept being put in front... Hekate Feb 2018 #177

The Cop was scared . . . so what, he was a coward and a pussy. Screw Him. OldManTarHeel Feb 2018 #183

Or he was realistic. What match is a cop with a pistol against a crazed shooter pnwmom Feb 2018 #192

The Man was a Pussy . . he took the easy way out and failed to engage, as He should have. OldManTarHeel Feb 2018 #230

Normally, police wait for backup in situations like this. pnwmom Feb 2018 #236

I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion the guy would have Vinca Feb 2018 #193

Lots of Tough Guys talking lately... busterbrown Feb 2018 #195

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #200

So I guess the NRA's answer is that Upthevibe Feb 2018 #207

Feeling Guilt is the likely sentiment. The Man Pussyied Out OldManTarHeel Feb 2018 #231

+ a brazillion. nt tblue37 Feb 2018 #214

In the words of Mike Tyson kskiska Feb 2018 #225

Yep! a lot of tough guys around here....N/t busterbrown Feb 2018 #227

Not a Tough Guy . . Just Brave enough to do my fukking job. Peterson is a Pussy. OldManTarHeel Feb 2018 #232

Christ on a Trailer Hitch, this thread reeks of NRA framing. Not the OP, but dozens of replies... Hekate Feb 2018 #228

here is my thought--the main issue in bringing this up isn't to humiliate this guy blake2012 Feb 2018 #229

Adding a link to this thread malaise Feb 2018 #237

He doesn't deserve crap or to be called names. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #245

i agree! samnsara Feb 2018 #251

My guess would be quaker bill Feb 2018 #252

My buddy is retired LAPD. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #256

Im disappointed in the guy, but at this point hamsterjill Feb 2018 #264