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In reply to the discussion: ABC news staged an active shooting scenario with random individuals and it went as expected: [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)46. "Not NRA" The Centers for Disease Control, actually:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
The full report can be found here:
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
The gun control debate is certainly worth reopening. But if were going to reopen it, lets not just rethink the politics. Lets take another look at the facts. Earlier this year, President Obama ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to assess the existing research on gun violence and recommend future studies. That report, prepared by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, is now complete. Its findings wont entirely please the Obama administration or the NRA, but all of us should consider them. Heres a list of the 10 most salient or surprising takeaways...
...7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008, says the report. The three million figure is probably high, based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use. Furthermore, Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.
...7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008, says the report. The three million figure is probably high, based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use. Furthermore, Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.
The full report can be found here:
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
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ABC news staged an active shooting scenario with random individuals and it went as expected: [View all]
joshcryer
Feb 2018
OP
I wish I could make every person I know with a gun (or who I suspect has guns), watch this.
hlthe2b
Feb 2018
#1
Given the revealing video of the "safety officer" who shot himself in the foot just re-holstering...
hlthe2b
Feb 2018
#12
I remembered seeing that years ago, but couldn't recall which network. Glad you found the video.
highplainsdem
Feb 2018
#7
Well, it is down to half a million from millions. "Use" of gun is not defined, and no link to report
Fred Sanders
Feb 2018
#48
Here's the link at the National Academies Press, with "use of gun" defined:
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2018
#51
No more and no less than the creative fiction of movies and heroes that is referenced
LanternWaste
Feb 2018
#17
Old video, and staged for failure from start to finish. They got the result they wanted.
7962
Feb 2018
#27
I saw this when it first aired. I wish I could rec this more than once Josh.
Turn CO Blue
Feb 2018
#54
You hear more stories of concealed carry people "being on the scene but not firing..."
joshcryer
Feb 2018
#61