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friendly_iconoclast

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46. "Not NRA" The Centers for Disease Control, actually:
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 03:45 PM
Feb 2018
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html

The gun control debate is certainly worth reopening. But if we’re going to reopen it, let’s not just rethink the politics. Let’s take another look at the facts. Earlier this year, President Obama ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to assess the existing research on gun violence and recommend future studies. That report, prepared by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, is now complete. Its findings won’t entirely please the Obama administration or the NRA, but all of us should consider them. Here’s a list of the 10 most salient or surprising takeaways...

...7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report. The three million figure is probably high, “based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys.” But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, “because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.” Furthermore, “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”


The full report can be found here:

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

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I wish I could make every person I know with a gun (or who I suspect has guns), watch this. hlthe2b Feb 2018 #1
I've seen it many times. Straw Man Feb 2018 #4
Your screen name seems... hlthe2b Feb 2018 #8
Really? Straw Man Feb 2018 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Roland99 Feb 2018 #22
I think the baggy shirts are OK. joshcryer Feb 2018 #11
Given the revealing video of the "safety officer" who shot himself in the foot just re-holstering... hlthe2b Feb 2018 #12
Yeah, I don't see the need to nitpick. joshcryer Feb 2018 #15
That is the situation they were in treestar Feb 2018 #26
Not to mention the fact that the "shooter" is a trained officer. 7962 Feb 2018 #29
Which is why so many of them LoveMyCali Feb 2018 #34
+1. meadowlander Feb 2018 #55
Very informative. femmocrat Feb 2018 #2
+1000 Freethinker65 Feb 2018 #3
Thank you for posting this. most timely, indeed. n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #5
This is well-done. k&r, nt. appal_jack Feb 2018 #6
I remembered seeing that years ago, but couldn't recall which network. Glad you found the video. highplainsdem Feb 2018 #7
As said above, a totally ridiculously set up scenario Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #9
yep - I agree azureblue Feb 2018 #16
Just like in real life .... VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #30
Nope Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #31
You got lucky VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #32
No I was prepared Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #33
Millions of cases a year? NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #35
Provide some evidence for your claim of "millions of cases a year" please. nt. Mariana Feb 2018 #36
Here is an article discussing a CDC report Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #39
I'd like to read the actual report, rather than a summary Mariana Feb 2018 #44
Here you go: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #47
Thanks! nt. Mariana Feb 2018 #49
Well, it is down to half a million from millions. "Use" of gun is not defined, and no link to report Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #48
Here's the link at the National Academies Press, with "use of gun" defined: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #51
Link? Not NRA...millions..lol. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #42
"Not NRA" The Centers for Disease Control, actually: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #46
And for each person who "gets lucky" meadowlander Feb 2018 #57
Based on the stats posted earlier a lot less Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #60
Unfortunately, gun humpers will watch this and say ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #10
and the gun humpers are out in full force azureblue Feb 2018 #18
Kindly point out these purported 'gun humpers' to us friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #37
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #13
Staged sarisataka Feb 2018 #14
No more and no less than the creative fiction of movies and heroes that is referenced LanternWaste Feb 2018 #17
I don't really understand sarisataka Feb 2018 #19
It is actually possible treestar Feb 2018 #25
It is very possible sarisataka Feb 2018 #40
How set up? treestar Feb 2018 #41
As others have pointed out sarisataka Feb 2018 #43
She was going to have died in the scenario treestar Feb 2018 #52
Only a moron sarisataka Feb 2018 #53
Why would they tell them that in the scenario? treestar Feb 2018 #58
. sarisataka Feb 2018 #59
For those saying this was rigged to fail, why don't you get sinkingfeeling Feb 2018 #20
Surprise is the biggest factor in ANY situation. 7962 Feb 2018 #28
How many lectures have audience members wearing work gloves? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #50
Gunhumpers. The imagery is LOL. nt Blue_true Feb 2018 #23
It is real life and not like the movies treestar Feb 2018 #24
Old video, and staged for failure from start to finish. They got the result they wanted. 7962 Feb 2018 #27
I agree PatentlyDemocratic Feb 2018 #38
53,000 down votes? LOL folks are mad... Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #45
I saw this when it first aired. I wish I could rec this more than once Josh. Turn CO Blue Feb 2018 #54
The odds of such an occurrence happening as depicted are about zilch Kaleva Feb 2018 #56
You hear more stories of concealed carry people "being on the scene but not firing..." joshcryer Feb 2018 #61
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