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Decoy of Fenris

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20. Why don't you volunteer for security? Let's see how you hold up in a situation like that.

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 04:01 PM

Feb 2018

One man, alone and with no backup, armored only in a vest not rated to stop ammunition carried by the AR or most rifles at all, with a pistol containing ammo that wouldn't cause damage through a similar vest if an attacker was wearing one, against an unknown number of assailants with an unknown number of weapons and no clear physical description, in a school filled with potential targets and/or friendly fire casualties. Nothing could ever go wrong with that.

Tell ya what. This guy's gotta live with his decision and he's resigned, so why don't you step up to the plate? Go take his job and get on in there, Skippy! What are you doing out here, being a keyboard-warrior? They'll even give you a nice vest and a pistol! You'll be fiiiiiiiine. Bring a Go-Pro.

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Absolutely no excuse for fleeing the scene [View all] gyroscope Feb 2018 OP

If he ran away, I agree. Do we know he ran away? I'm seriously asking. Hoyt Feb 2018 #1

Call it what you want gyroscope Feb 2018 #4

He was hanging out by the door WhiteTara Feb 2018 #6

He hid outside for 4 minutes while the shooter went about murdering Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #15

Do you think the whole SWAT team in Las Vegas hid outside when they waited 1 hour Hoyt Feb 2018 #25

He waited 4 minutes . That was pulled from the security tapes Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #51

I agree. For all he knew janterry Feb 2018 #53

Good way to put it. Hoyt Feb 2018 #57

That was my first thought too when I read he stayed outside. He had no way of knowing appleannie1943 Feb 2018 #103

Columbine changed police tactics atreides1 Feb 2018 #104

The man was a cop, whether retired or what, I don't know. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #105

I don't believe he ran away. B2G Feb 2018 #2

Which is virtually the same thing as fleeing the scene gyroscope Feb 2018 #5

I don't disagree. B2G Feb 2018 #11

Well, this is my take- poboy2 Feb 2018 #3

How many cops and firefighters ran into the twin towers? pintobean Feb 2018 #7

No one was shooting them either. LiberalFighter Feb 2018 #19

I'm shocked at how many are defending this useless cop. pintobean Feb 2018 #36

His boss? jberryhill Feb 2018 #77

The department was relying on video with a 26 minute delay. They thought it was live. struggle4progress Feb 2018 #93

Now one wants to die...it would have been pointless. Should Swat be fired for Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #99

No there were just people bouncing off he sidewalks and being incinerated all around them... bettyellen Feb 2018 #91

Answer gyroscope Feb 2018 #9

Entire police forces show up and wait till the time is 'right'? angstlessk Feb 2018 #10

I agree if he ran. But, "Las Vegas SWAT Team Waited One Hour Before Entering Killers Hotel Room" Hoyt Feb 2018 #14

It certainly wasn't "certain" death Adrahil Feb 2018 #17

I'm still shocked at there being only one officer at the school. moriah Feb 2018 #39

I agree mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #80

Tough talk! Too bad you weren't there to rush into certain death. FSogol Feb 2018 #8

I agree...even well armed special units don't rush in angstlessk Feb 2018 #12

Certain death? Wrong. gyroscope Feb 2018 #16

Do you know anything? The vest is not for rifle rounds, WTF. NT USALiberal Feb 2018 #22

He didn't know what kind of a weapon was firing mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #83

LOL, you easily know the difference between a handgun or a rifle! Wow! nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #85

Aw, too bad you weren't there to shoot the AR15 out of the shooter's hand and save the day! FSogol Feb 2018 #24

Don't forget where he catches the shooter's gun as it falls and looks like a badass, right? Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #27

+1. n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #35

Bullet time slow motion spin through the air pistol blazing snort Feb 2018 #45

A pistol against an AR 15 and a vest which I doubt would have sufficed...to much TV. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #100

Thank you. nt raccoon Feb 2018 #73

I suspect he followed protocols, but I have no idea. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #13

Given the Sheriff's response, I doubt it. Adrahil Feb 2018 #21

Rightists will just say we need more of them, then maxsolomon Feb 2018 #23

It is scapegoating. nocalflea Feb 2018 #55

The typical vest worn by police is not going to protect rsdsharp Feb 2018 #18

How hard is it to attack the shooter from behind? gyroscope Feb 2018 #26

He's not John McClane Generic Brad Feb 2018 #32

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #34

While we're asking your question let's ask a more important one! Pholus Feb 2018 #44

Watch a lot of action films do you? GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #64

I think there are many here who think real life is the OldHippieChick Feb 2018 #67

I do not think there are many LEO or even soldiers GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #69

It's not hard! It's super super easy! LuckyCharms Feb 2018 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #78

Why don't you volunteer for security? Let's see how you hold up in a situation like that. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #20

AGREE here! and on another point If they knew 2days in advance WHY JUST ONE GUARD???? bluestarone Feb 2018 #29

That's the same kind of nonsense when hear form the right when cops shoot an unarmed person. Adrahil Feb 2018 #31

I'm not saying the cop is pristine, I'm saying the castigation of him is lunacy. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #38

You've really thought this out Kittycow Feb 2018 #62

Short answer, yes. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #65

Thank you. Kittycow Feb 2018 #75

Very well said sarisataka Feb 2018 #89

He didn't run away atreides1 Feb 2018 #28

Technology has improved since you served. TexasTowelie Feb 2018 #59

I too, imply my own toughness by criticizing actions of which I lack all relevant knowledge. LanternWaste Feb 2018 #30

True. But there are plenty marybourg Feb 2018 #33

I've worked in high schools with resource officers. MoonRiver Feb 2018 #37

Post Columbine, most departments policy is to imediately go in Alea Feb 2018 #40

There was also an armed guard at Pulse nightclub and at Columbine. octoberlib Feb 2018 #41

+ 1 lunasun Feb 2018 #50

How long were the other cops there before they "rushed in"? blueinredohio Feb 2018 #42

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #43

Which would be as good as cardboard against a 5.56 round GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #66

just heard handmade34 Feb 2018 #46

Plenty of cops have made bad choices with a gun in their hands. logosoco Feb 2018 #47

I'm guessing this is one of last-night's talking-points to pivot the conversation LanternWaste Feb 2018 #48

His fellow officers are not supporting him so that's a clue lunasun Feb 2018 #49

His fellow officers are looking for a scapegoat, just like everyone else is. haele Feb 2018 #56

Best analysis of the situation I've read here on DU. marybourg Feb 2018 #60

My fil had stories of guys freezing when under attack in ww2. Happens, nothing you can predict. Canoe52 Feb 2018 #52

thank you for posting this truth janterry Feb 2018 #54

We're getting distracted treestar Feb 2018 #58

and what's a "good guy with a gun" supposed to do about a "bad guy with an AK-15"? renate Feb 2018 #61

Yep! treestar Feb 2018 #68

They are all PO'd at this cop because he ruins the NRA narrative about good guys and guns. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #101

He was there to protect the students ... left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #63

NRA thanks you for scapegoating the cop samir.g Feb 2018 #70

Hey gyroscope---so you would have run in and shot the guy? panader0 Feb 2018 #71

Texas Clock Tower massacre DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #72

Whitman had a deer rifle, not an AR-15. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #84

So what? He was in a commanding position to see, shoot DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #87

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #76

A lot of experts here! Amazing. nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #81

Whether that man was being appropriately cautious or a complete coward, PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #79

CNN reported during Blitzer's show DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #82

Boy we got a lot of Rambos here on DU, Thats all. nt doc03 Feb 2018 #86

We sure do. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #88

They are going off on this cop, that is exactlly what the Republicans doc03 Feb 2018 #95

Right if the killer had a 22, a shotgun or a handgun...cop might had a chance and maybe the kids too Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #102

Why don't you tell us sarisataka Feb 2018 #90

Plays Call of Duty. MineralMan Feb 2018 #94

. sarisataka Feb 2018 #97

What a tough guy obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #92

People fuck up. meadowlander Feb 2018 #96

That is not true...he didn't go in...there is a difference...no matter how well trained you Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #98

Wonder if law enforcement "experts," gunners, hero wannabes, etc., will apologize for bashing guard Hoyt Feb 2018 #106