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99. Now one wants to die...it would have been pointless. Should Swat be fired for

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Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:18 PM

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Absolutely no excuse for fleeing the scene [View all] gyroscope Feb 2018 OP

If he ran away, I agree. Do we know he ran away? I'm seriously asking. Hoyt Feb 2018 #1

Call it what you want gyroscope Feb 2018 #4

He was hanging out by the door WhiteTara Feb 2018 #6

He hid outside for 4 minutes while the shooter went about murdering Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #15

Do you think the whole SWAT team in Las Vegas hid outside when they waited 1 hour Hoyt Feb 2018 #25

He waited 4 minutes . That was pulled from the security tapes Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #51

I agree. For all he knew janterry Feb 2018 #53

Good way to put it. Hoyt Feb 2018 #57

That was my first thought too when I read he stayed outside. He had no way of knowing appleannie1943 Feb 2018 #103

Columbine changed police tactics atreides1 Feb 2018 #104

The man was a cop, whether retired or what, I don't know. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #105

I don't believe he ran away. B2G Feb 2018 #2

Which is virtually the same thing as fleeing the scene gyroscope Feb 2018 #5

I don't disagree. B2G Feb 2018 #11

Well, this is my take- poboy2 Feb 2018 #3

How many cops and firefighters ran into the twin towers? pintobean Feb 2018 #7

No one was shooting them either. LiberalFighter Feb 2018 #19

I'm shocked at how many are defending this useless cop. pintobean Feb 2018 #36

His boss? jberryhill Feb 2018 #77

The department was relying on video with a 26 minute delay. They thought it was live. struggle4progress Feb 2018 #93

Now one wants to die...it would have been pointless. Should Swat be fired for Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #99

No there were just people bouncing off he sidewalks and being incinerated all around them... bettyellen Feb 2018 #91

Answer gyroscope Feb 2018 #9

Entire police forces show up and wait till the time is 'right'? angstlessk Feb 2018 #10

I agree if he ran. But, "Las Vegas SWAT Team Waited One Hour Before Entering Killers Hotel Room" Hoyt Feb 2018 #14

It certainly wasn't "certain" death Adrahil Feb 2018 #17

I'm still shocked at there being only one officer at the school. moriah Feb 2018 #39

I agree mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #80

Tough talk! Too bad you weren't there to rush into certain death. FSogol Feb 2018 #8

I agree...even well armed special units don't rush in angstlessk Feb 2018 #12

Certain death? Wrong. gyroscope Feb 2018 #16

Do you know anything? The vest is not for rifle rounds, WTF. NT USALiberal Feb 2018 #22

He didn't know what kind of a weapon was firing mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #83

LOL, you easily know the difference between a handgun or a rifle! Wow! nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #85

Aw, too bad you weren't there to shoot the AR15 out of the shooter's hand and save the day! FSogol Feb 2018 #24

Don't forget where he catches the shooter's gun as it falls and looks like a badass, right? Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #27

+1. n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #35

Bullet time slow motion spin through the air pistol blazing snort Feb 2018 #45

A pistol against an AR 15 and a vest which I doubt would have sufficed...to much TV. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #100

Thank you. nt raccoon Feb 2018 #73

I suspect he followed protocols, but I have no idea. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #13

Given the Sheriff's response, I doubt it. Adrahil Feb 2018 #21

Rightists will just say we need more of them, then maxsolomon Feb 2018 #23

It is scapegoating. nocalflea Feb 2018 #55

The typical vest worn by police is not going to protect rsdsharp Feb 2018 #18

How hard is it to attack the shooter from behind? gyroscope Feb 2018 #26

He's not John McClane Generic Brad Feb 2018 #32

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #34

While we're asking your question let's ask a more important one! Pholus Feb 2018 #44

Watch a lot of action films do you? GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #64

I think there are many here who think real life is the OldHippieChick Feb 2018 #67

I do not think there are many LEO or even soldiers GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #69

It's not hard! It's super super easy! LuckyCharms Feb 2018 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #78

Why don't you volunteer for security? Let's see how you hold up in a situation like that. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #20

AGREE here! and on another point If they knew 2days in advance WHY JUST ONE GUARD???? bluestarone Feb 2018 #29

That's the same kind of nonsense when hear form the right when cops shoot an unarmed person. Adrahil Feb 2018 #31

I'm not saying the cop is pristine, I'm saying the castigation of him is lunacy. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #38

You've really thought this out Kittycow Feb 2018 #62

Short answer, yes. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #65

Thank you. Kittycow Feb 2018 #75

Very well said sarisataka Feb 2018 #89

He didn't run away atreides1 Feb 2018 #28

Technology has improved since you served. TexasTowelie Feb 2018 #59

I too, imply my own toughness by criticizing actions of which I lack all relevant knowledge. LanternWaste Feb 2018 #30

True. But there are plenty marybourg Feb 2018 #33

I've worked in high schools with resource officers. MoonRiver Feb 2018 #37

Post Columbine, most departments policy is to imediately go in Alea Feb 2018 #40

There was also an armed guard at Pulse nightclub and at Columbine. octoberlib Feb 2018 #41

+ 1 lunasun Feb 2018 #50

How long were the other cops there before they "rushed in"? blueinredohio Feb 2018 #42

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #43

Which would be as good as cardboard against a 5.56 round GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #66

just heard handmade34 Feb 2018 #46

Plenty of cops have made bad choices with a gun in their hands. logosoco Feb 2018 #47

I'm guessing this is one of last-night's talking-points to pivot the conversation LanternWaste Feb 2018 #48

His fellow officers are not supporting him so that's a clue lunasun Feb 2018 #49

His fellow officers are looking for a scapegoat, just like everyone else is. haele Feb 2018 #56

Best analysis of the situation I've read here on DU. marybourg Feb 2018 #60

My fil had stories of guys freezing when under attack in ww2. Happens, nothing you can predict. Canoe52 Feb 2018 #52

thank you for posting this truth janterry Feb 2018 #54

We're getting distracted treestar Feb 2018 #58

and what's a "good guy with a gun" supposed to do about a "bad guy with an AK-15"? renate Feb 2018 #61

Yep! treestar Feb 2018 #68

They are all PO'd at this cop because he ruins the NRA narrative about good guys and guns. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #101

He was there to protect the students ... left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #63

NRA thanks you for scapegoating the cop samir.g Feb 2018 #70

Hey gyroscope---so you would have run in and shot the guy? panader0 Feb 2018 #71

Texas Clock Tower massacre DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #72

Whitman had a deer rifle, not an AR-15. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #84

So what? He was in a commanding position to see, shoot DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #87

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #76

A lot of experts here! Amazing. nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #81

Whether that man was being appropriately cautious or a complete coward, PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #79

CNN reported during Blitzer's show DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #82

Boy we got a lot of Rambos here on DU, Thats all. nt doc03 Feb 2018 #86

We sure do. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #88

They are going off on this cop, that is exactlly what the Republicans doc03 Feb 2018 #95

Right if the killer had a 22, a shotgun or a handgun...cop might had a chance and maybe the kids too Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #102

Why don't you tell us sarisataka Feb 2018 #90

Plays Call of Duty. MineralMan Feb 2018 #94

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What a tough guy obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #92

People fuck up. meadowlander Feb 2018 #96

That is not true...he didn't go in...there is a difference...no matter how well trained you Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #98

Wonder if law enforcement "experts," gunners, hero wannabes, etc., will apologize for bashing guard Hoyt Feb 2018 #106