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113. There are gun-fetishists and hunters. They are different. The fetishists are insane

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:06 AM

Feb 2018

Here's the key article to understand, in my opinion:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-tactical-turn

The gun culture that we have today in the U.S. is not the gun culture, so to speak, that I remember from my youth. It’s too simple to say that it’s “sick;” it’s more accurately an absurd fetishization. I suppose that the American Gunfighter, in all of his avatars, is inescapably fetishistic, but (to my point) somewhere along the way – maybe in, uh, 1994? – we crossed over into Something Else: let’s call it Gonzo Fetishization. The American Gunfighter as caricature.

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Can someone explain to me why military and/or hunting families are pro-gun? [View all] BigmanPigman Feb 2018 OP

Since you are unfamiliar with bore and muzzle velocity... SHRED Feb 2018 #1

HUH? BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #2

I referring to the "gun-splainers" SHRED Feb 2018 #5

Nothing stated is going to change your mind Kaleva Feb 2018 #3

"pro gun" hunter Feb 2018 #39

+1 TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #41

a gun is a tool DBoon Feb 2018 #83

And yet the pro gun folks wont give em up no matter how many people die. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #77

Very few of the hardcore on either side will change their minds Kaleva Feb 2018 #81

Rifles are fun to shoot if you know what you are doing. It's a sport. McCamy Taylor Feb 2018 #4

Except that car owners associations don't oppose licenses & registration of cars. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #17

And car manufacturer's have no liability limits RainCaster Feb 2018 #37

The manufacturer of any other type of product would be sued into oblivion. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #47

"take steps immediately to change the product to prevent it from being used so" EX500rider Feb 2018 #51

The difference is, of course, that trucks aren't designed to kill people. Guns are. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #53

I am not the one who said "any other type of product" EX500rider Feb 2018 #54

No, you're the one pushing the RW spin. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #55

Any other type of product equals a Renault Midlum 270. No if, and, but, or accusation of RW spin Marengo Feb 2018 #67

One of the NRA's favorite responses to the need for actual, effective gun control TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #69

Has Renault been sued into oblivion? Marengo Feb 2018 #70

Show me 20 instances where a Renault truck has been used to commit mass murder. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #73

LOL! Shifting the goal posts, eh? Why would you need to do such a thing? Now, how about answering... Marengo Feb 2018 #74

Not at all. You & the other poster are trying to equate vehicular homicide with gun violence. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #75

LOL! Just as I thought. Lets try again shall we? Marengo Feb 2018 #82

Still trying to push those NRA talking points? You're more obtuse that I would've thought. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #86

Was Renault sued into oblivion as you suggested it would be? Marengo Feb 2018 #108

Bwahahahaha!!!!! Are you back for act two of the script? You certainly never veer from it! Squinch Feb 2018 #89

Was Renault sued into oblivion as that poster suggested it would be? Marengo Feb 2018 #109

"What about knives????1? Are you going to outlaw knives????1" Squinch Feb 2018 #110

Show me 20 instances where a Renault truck has been used to commit mass murder. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #111

Was Renault sued into oblivion as you suggested it would be in post #47? Marengo Feb 2018 #114

Where are the MULTIPLE MASS MURDERS that would cause them to be sued TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #118

Nope, try again. Was Renault sued into oblivion as you suggested it would be? Youve added the... Marengo Feb 2018 #121

Its amusing to me that you consider the repetition of script as an original thought, as if that... Marengo Feb 2018 #116

And back to "I know you are but what am I?" You're too much. Squinch Feb 2018 #120

Yet more original thought from you. Well, I suppose I should be impressed you didnt bleat... Marengo Feb 2018 #123

Go ahead: script! There's one. And can't wait to see which bingo square you spout next! Squinch Feb 2018 #125

Cars have many uses other than running people over DBoon Feb 2018 #85

Bingo. You get it. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #87

Please, you said something silly, I called you on it, you doubled down, EX500rider Feb 2018 #94

And the fact that you're literally reading Wayne LaPierre's script has nothing to do with it. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #95

NRA SCRIPT NRA TALKING POINTS!!!! Is nothing more than a script itself. Marengo Feb 2018 #124

Oh, the irony! Does it bother you that people keep pointing out your SCRIPT?? It seems to! Squinch Feb 2018 #126

Theres two within moments of each other. Please continue, Im certain youll rack up an... Marengo Feb 2018 #127

You aren't very good at counting. Is that because it's not part of the SCRIPT? Squinch Feb 2018 #129

Theres 3, still waiting for something unscripted from you. Marengo Feb 2018 #131

You're so cute! And go back. It's a lot more than three references to your SCRIPT! Squinch Feb 2018 #132

And now 4. Please do continue, you may mistakenly wander into something original. Of course.. Marengo Feb 2018 #133

You're not very good at this are you? TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #136

LOL! Im not the one who made a spurious claim and modified it mid-stream as camouflage. Marengo Feb 2018 #137

Poorly programmed computers get caught in endless loops. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #139

Was Renault sued into oblivion as you claimed they would be? Marengo Feb 2018 #140

So it seems you're less intelligent than a poorly programmed computer. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #142

Was Renault sued into oblivion as you claimed they would be? Renault vehicles used in 2 terrorist... Marengo Feb 2018 #143

K&R SharonClark Feb 2018 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author RestoreAmerica2020 Feb 2018 #57

cars are not BUILT to KILL. guns are. spanone Feb 2018 #130

People who grow up w guns are afraid to do without them. They get accustomed to a false bettyellen Feb 2018 #6

It's a matter of culture. Adrahil Feb 2018 #7

Most hunters do not kill for sport, and in fact despise those who do. NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #8

All of the hunters I know hunt for fun, not the meat. It is a hobby, not a way to get food. nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #10

Why not both? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #11

You gun posts have been entertaining. n.t USALiberal Feb 2018 #14

Glad to be of service. I just get tired of the idea that hunting is acceptable only when the hunter WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #25

You have very different friends / acquaintances than me. NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #15

Cool story. nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #16

It's not a story. nt NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #19

Unless they can't afford to buy food, they are doing it for fun regardless of Squinch Feb 2018 #18

I'm not saying he doesn't enjoy it. NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #22

In the economically depressed area of rural Ohio I grew up in, hunting provided a considerable... Marengo Feb 2018 #72

Do those people have an average of 12 guns, including the $600-$1000 AR-15? Squinch Feb 2018 #79

Exactly. Hoyt Feb 2018 #107

Irrelevant to my point concerning hunting as a valuable supplement for some. Marengo Feb 2018 #115

If they can afford to buy a dozen $1000 firearms, but can't afford feed their family TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #119

Again, irrelevant to the point I was making. I should think a smarter dog would realize that. Marengo Feb 2018 #122

The fact that can't see the relevance says a lot about you. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #138

There is no relevance, and we both know you understand this. Marengo Feb 2018 #141

lol ! stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #62

It may not be an easy way to get food, but it is a cheap way . . . markpkessinger Feb 2018 #27

Cool story flying rabbit Feb 2018 #56

The company you keep Sailor65x1 Feb 2018 #61

They may give the food to the needy treestar Feb 2018 #92

I always ask mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #9

Army veteran tazkcmo Feb 2018 #12

I'll take a shot -- While opinions vary, it appears military votes went 2, or 3, to 1 for trump. Hoyt Feb 2018 #13

99% of gun violence is done by men! BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #28

Good point. Would have loved to see how Clinton reacted to this junk. Hoyt Feb 2018 #31

I like your choice of the word "junk". BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #32

That's it, a stupid ass image they have of themselves. njhoneybadger Feb 2018 #35

90% of homicides are committed by men and they are 77% of the victims. EX500rider Feb 2018 #50

Why are hunters pro-gun? left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #20

Haven't seen a lot Tribalceltic Feb 2018 #59

And you won't see hunters doing multiple murders left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #64

It's good to have some degree of control over your own defense Calculating Feb 2018 #21

My son n law is colonel in AF marlakay Feb 2018 #23

Most of today's "gun culture" exists simply because "those elite liberals" object to guns. Squinch Feb 2018 #24

Your last sentence sums up what Wayne LaPierre BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #30

My brothers hunt KentuckyWoman Feb 2018 #26

I get it, but the number of hunters who do it to put food on table is very small in this country. Hoyt Feb 2018 #33

Is hunting for food more economical than buying it ? rickford66 Feb 2018 #58

Nobody hates drunken hunters from the city more than the ranchers in my family. hunter Feb 2018 #78

Dear BigmanPigman, enough Feb 2018 #29

I find target shooting sarisataka Feb 2018 #34

And it's a great way to learn about the natural world. nocalflea Feb 2018 #49

My dad and my father-in-law just said "no" to guns in their military service. hunter Feb 2018 #36

Could you explain how sarisataka Feb 2018 #40

He joined the Navy. hunter Feb 2018 #42

Thank you sarisataka Feb 2018 #44

My Dad Did That Too ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #65

It's always funny. Lord_at_War Feb 2018 #117

My dad was a Navy Corpsman... Adrahil Feb 2018 #43

Over in the first Gulf sarisataka Feb 2018 #48

They let them now Sgent Feb 2018 #91

Where i live it is a needed tool gay texan Feb 2018 #38

Pigs are the most dangerous animal in the California forest. hunter Feb 2018 #45

Different strokes. nocalflea Feb 2018 #52

I am not reading all the responses here because it disturbs me too much. Silver Swan Feb 2018 #60

i under stand completely. gay texan Feb 2018 #63

Yeah, I come from a military family, and my father hunted Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #66

Been around guns my entire life and I'm a army vet... cynatnite Feb 2018 #68

Because they know more about guns and understand them more than anti-gun types Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #71

Bull. People who have never shot a gun can express a cogent opinion about the damn things, Hoyt Feb 2018 #80

Sure you can form an opinion Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #96

Sorry, you're wrong. A gun lover can't be objective. A dead kid means nothing compared to their gunz Hoyt Feb 2018 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #98

I guess you'd have George Zimmerman draft gun and civil rights laws. Hoyt Feb 2018 #103

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #104

So I have to be a white wing gun-stroker to understand dead kids ain't right? Hoyt Feb 2018 #105

I'm not scared of guns. hunter Feb 2018 #88

LOL so someone who has not shot a gun cant have a RATIONAL opposition to them...wow Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #99

They are into killing, obviously samir.g Feb 2018 #76

just like I don't really care about vegan's reason to be what they are, neither do I with pacifist.. beachbum bob Feb 2018 #84

I'm not sure they're "pro-all-guns." They just want to keep hunting. mainer Feb 2018 #90

We are never going... Snackshack Feb 2018 #93

What is a high velocity round you want to ban? Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #97

Read these. Snackshack Feb 2018 #101

That didnt answer the question Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #102

I wanna allow each state to abide by the 2nd amendment and enforce guns Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #106

Yeah Mr. smarty pants. There are DU members who may not be firearms experts GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #112

There are gun-fetishists and hunters. They are different. The fetishists are insane sharedvalues Feb 2018 #113

You somehow have to list your masculine bonafides MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #128

I sort of mentioned this point because to me it BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #134

Yes, and we should be able to address it without being perceived as attacking masculinity MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #135