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Lee-Lee

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64. Here is one answer
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:01 AM
Feb 2018

“I can't imagine that there is a lot of skill or sport involved in shooting it”

I guess for someone with no experience with guns or idea how they work, this question would make sense.

But in reality it takes just as much skill to be accurate with a semi-auto rifle as it does a bolt action or any other rifle.

You may be basing that question on the notion that people are just pulling the trigger as fast as they can or not aiming or some other impressions you have gotten from TV or how people describe guns on here. I am guess so from the nature of your question.

In reality the basics of shooting a rifle are the same no matter if we are taking a .22 like that, an AR-15, a WWII M-1 Carbine of a level action Winchester made in 1899. It is a skill one refines. You have to maintain correct sight alignment with the front and rear sight. As you focus and learn to be more and more accurate this requires an ever increasing amount of skill. Your breathing will cause the end of the barrel to move causing sight alignment to shift, so you have to learn to both control your breathing and to time your shots between breaths. You don’t hold your breath because that leads to becoming less stable later as your body tries to compensate.

When I shot .22 on the rifle team in college I was at the peak of my ability for precision rifle shooting, and I was to the point where I could actually see the movement of the sights from my pulse.

Olympic shooters are that good x100.

Then you have to master trigger pull. To be accurate you need a slow, steady squeeze so that you don’t shift the aim as you pull. Pulling with the meaty part of your fingertip, if you pull with the end it can shift one way and if you pull with the joint the opposite and shift your aim.

We were shooting at targets where the outside ring was the size of a quarter and to get a bulls-eye and 10 points the target was the size of period on a typical typed paper. You couldn’t see that period, of course, but you know it was in the center of that circle.

So it’s a relaxing sport. It demands the amount of relaxation and control of your body that people often seek in yoga. But at the same time it is one with measurable ways to compete against others or yourself. There is always the drive to be a little more accurate or be able to make that shot a little further away. It’s a sport or hobby you can never totally master and there is always room for improvement.

A typical .22 like that is an inexpensive, easy way to enjoy it on whatever level or whatever way you want to. When you get outside the urban and suburban areas in the USA the vast majority of homes in rural areas will have some sort of semi-auto .22 rifle used for recreational purposes and for pest control or hunting. It’s more common than pickup trucks.

I do applaud you for asking those kinds of questions, being willing to learn. Most here won’t do that on this subject nor admit they don’t have any experience with it.

I have a rifle much like that but made by Ruger. When I go squirrel hunting with my dad (more to just be with him than I enjoy hunting, but it is fun) I carry it. I shoot it a lot, because it’s cheap to shoot, not that loud, and lets me keep in practice. When I teach firearms safety courses to people with no experience with guns it is usually the first rifle I start then out on.

The one I have also has a 10rd detachable magazine and can take larger magazines. And it’s been in production and sold since 1964 and it looks like over 6 million have been made. I will bet almost all are still around. That’s about as many made as Honda Civics have been sold in the last 20 years and the cars typically end up off the road in 12-15 years, so as a frame of reference just that one kind of gun is more common in lawful use in American homes than Honda civics are, and think about how many of those you see a day.

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This belongs in the gun forum RandySF Feb 2018 #1
Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which..... Brother Buzz Feb 2018 #7
Well as Chris Rock says, "If bullets cost $5000 there wouldn't be any accidental shootings. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #2
You prove the point that semi-autos should be banned also since they seem to fire almost Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #3
That device wasn't designed or modeled after a design that was meant to kill massive uponit7771 Feb 2018 #4
Actually it looks like a WWII era carbine... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #6
Exactly. Straw Man Feb 2018 #50
Off to the Gungeon with ya......... TheCowsCameHome Feb 2018 #5
I can count to ten. MineralMan Feb 2018 #8
Thanks MineralMan. You make my point. trof Feb 2018 #22
What will you do while you're counting? Straw Man Feb 2018 #51
That would be a big mistake MM, I own a Mossberg Plinkster .22 cal. semi-auto with a 10, 25, or 100 Old Vet Feb 2018 #65
The rush them when they change magazines thing is a myth Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #68
Are you seriously arguing gun semantics mcar Feb 2018 #9
I guess you missed the point. trof Feb 2018 #23
I guess I did mcar Feb 2018 #31
No, your lame-assed "point" came through, loud and clear. (nt) Paladin Feb 2018 #33
I think the point is to know something about what you want to regulate Bradical79 Feb 2018 #43
This is a common tactic BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #69
Yep mcar Feb 2018 #72
Yeah, they didn't have any problems with the 94 AWB, did they. yagotme Feb 2018 #87
In my view, the lack of a forward vertical grip rules it out as an assault weapon. John1956PA Feb 2018 #10
True, but I was 'quoting' DU's definition. trof Feb 2018 #24
A forward vertical grip is not a defining feature of an "assault weapon." Straw Man Feb 2018 #52
For comparison you should put up 2 photos flotsam Feb 2018 #11
It is a good starting point, I will meet here Grolph01 Feb 2018 #12
Single-action? Double-action? Are you talking pistols or rifles? Straw Man Feb 2018 #90
All these fucking "ammo processors" should be ILLEGAL TO OWN OR BUY. VOX Feb 2018 #13
a 22? Adrahil Feb 2018 #17
Yep, you caught me in high-rant mode. VOX Feb 2018 #20
Well done sir (or madame) Adrahil Feb 2018 #21
Exactly. Thanks. trof Feb 2018 #25
Most of the hunting shows I see... yallerdawg Feb 2018 #14
Lee Oswald? Straw Man Feb 2018 #53
It was kind of a strange choice as I would think the 6.5x52mm ammo would be hard to find in the US. EX500rider Feb 2018 #71
a .22LR doesn't do as much damage as .223 Remington/5.56mm NATO, inherently Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #15
Actually, it just banned Motownman78 Feb 2018 #44
Words and definitions matter -- especially if people want to write legislation. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #16
you're wasting your time... Adrahil Feb 2018 #18
Yes they do. That's what I'm trying to do. Thanks. trof Feb 2018 #27
This is a political discussion site, not a Senate mark-up session. (nt) Paladin Feb 2018 #34
I served on a jury for a dumbass who shot his dog with a semi .22 ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #19
No more and no less than by DU standards, acronyms are no longer rendered in capital letters. LanternWaste Feb 2018 #26
Uh, what acronym? trof Feb 2018 #28
Just walking thru some of these posts captain queeg Feb 2018 #32
Thank you and welcome to DU. trof Feb 2018 #35
This is the .22 caliber Iver-Johnson Cadet revolver which killed Robert Kennedy discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #39
Not sure how true this is... Dem2 Feb 2018 #41
High Capacity clips were able Motownman78 Feb 2018 #45
Yeah that sounds right captain queeg Feb 2018 #48
Without the pistol grip they don't sell as well underpants Feb 2018 #29
What about starting off real simple? The_jackalope Feb 2018 #30
California tried that with .50-cal rifles (banning a specific caliber) NickB79 Feb 2018 #36
Well, .223 is a bit more of a public health threat than .50 The_jackalope Feb 2018 #37
It's not a serious solution NickB79 Feb 2018 #42
What about prohibiting rifles with interchangeable barrels as well as a caliber and capacity ban? The_jackalope Feb 2018 #46
ALL rifle barrels interchange. yagotme Feb 2018 #88
I am not interested in reasons it wont work Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #59
I don't really care if people "take me seriously" The_jackalope Feb 2018 #63
Nothing is simple. Straw Man Feb 2018 #57
If you really want to take the testosterone out of firearms flotsam Feb 2018 #38
Ouchy! Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #54
Your post raises an issue Ive been thinking about ... Whiskeytide Feb 2018 #40
yes, I think "gun culture" and normalization needs to be part of the discussion. OhioBlue Feb 2018 #56
Thats my take. Somehow the gun industry... Whiskeytide Feb 2018 #80
Aw. Iggo Feb 2018 #47
Why? hunter Feb 2018 #49
That gun and all others should be banned regardless if they are assault rifles, semi-automatics, etc LonePirate Feb 2018 #55
I'm curious. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #58
That is a hunting gun. As another poster noted you can't hunt with an AR 15 as it destroys the meat. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #62
An AR-15 does not destroy the meat Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #67
Yeah an AR 15 destroys meat...I have seen it. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #83
With what kind of rounds? Straw Man Feb 2018 #89
ar15 does NOT destroy the meat lol Calculating Feb 2018 #79
Really well my cousin shot a deer with it...and it was mangled unbelievably...horrible in fact. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #82
Here is one answer Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #64
Very, VERY good! I'd rec this if I could. Thank you. trof Feb 2018 #81
Squirrels mostly. Some target practice. trof Feb 2018 #75
I want assault weapons banned...and yours sounds like it should be banned...if you can get off Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #60
Your gun protected you, but what if you had been blind? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #70
I lived on 20 acres so I had a gun...I was taught by my Grandpa and my ex how to use it properly... Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #84
Thanks. We are on the same page. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #86
By legal definition, I don't. Sure a mini-14 has detachable mags and fires jmg257 Feb 2018 #61
What are you hunting with your .22 where you need 10 cartridges? left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #66
I really hope you turn that gun into the police during a buy back.... johnpowdy Feb 2018 #73
No gun looks, or is, benign. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #74
Why would you post this? You are just going to be wrecked in responses. tymorial Feb 2018 #76
And like all guns, it is designed to kill people. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #77
FUCK this ugly piece of shit murderous gun. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #78
Makes me shake in anger just seeing it johnpowdy Feb 2018 #85
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