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gibraltar72

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71. I'm an old target shooter.

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 03:55 PM

Feb 2018

My wife laid an old NRA marksmanship patch on my table this morning to tweak me. It must have laid in a drawer was never sewn on my shooting coat. I parted with NRA when they lobbied for cop killer bullets. I don't think all guns should be banned. I respect target shooters and for that matter those who wish to hunt. That is as much a choice as a womans right to an abortion. Assault weapons should be banned. Private citizens should not have the right to loosely open carry. No citizen should be able to outgun the law. Having said that the law has to be more minbful of everyones rights. No gun should have 30 rd magazine. That is not a sporting weapon. If that still doesn't curb gun violence. I would be open to more restrictions. Open carry needs to be drastically cut back. I am as progressive as anyone but I would be very happy with the above.

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Where do you personally stand on what guns, if any, to ban or allow? [View all] Downtown Hound Feb 2018 OP

Ban every single gun regardless of what type it is (handgun, rifle, semi-automatic, assault weapon). LonePirate Feb 2018 #1

Has certainly worked well in Mexico & Jamaica.. EX500rider Feb 2018 #3

Exceptionally tough gun restrictions and bans have worked well in Australia and Japan. LonePirate Feb 2018 #7

It worked in countries that already had low homicide rates, no doubt. EX500rider Feb 2018 #16

Who is we? Marengo Feb 2018 #22

The vast majority of decent Americans who value lives over guns. You need to wake up. LonePirate Feb 2018 #37

Decent Americans want a complete prohibition on the private ownership of firearms? Marengo Feb 2018 #46

Yes johnpowdy Feb 2018 #49

Interesting. So, what about members here on DU who dont want complete prohibition? Are they... Marengo Feb 2018 #51

Why the hell do you need a gun? johnpowdy Feb 2018 #56

How about answering my question rather than deflecting? Marengo Feb 2018 #63

If my XBOX radiated cancer to everyone around me, I would give up my game Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #102

What about folks here at DU who still as of now possess firearms, are they indecent? Marengo Feb 2018 #104

Not the point. I wasnt the one who said they werent, the person who you argued with Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #106

Im now asking you, and looking for a simple yes or no. Cant possibly be difficult. Marengo Feb 2018 #108

You lost this debate when you made it about people. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #109

Nope, not interested in your diversion attempt. Try again. By the way, I have asked you... Marengo Feb 2018 #111

... Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #112

Cant answer either, eh? Got it. Marengo Feb 2018 #115

That doesn't seem like the best example... Baconator Feb 2018 #195

I'm an old target shooter. gibraltar72 Feb 2018 #71

Can't you target shoot with a bow and arrow or BB gun? johnpowdy Feb 2018 #92

Yeah, that has always been my question. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #167

So I can have some way to control my own destiny Calculating Feb 2018 #86

They can learn to give up their addiction much like people who quit drinking or smoking. LonePirate Feb 2018 #67

You didnt answer my question. Are they, or are they not, decent Americans? This is a close-ended Marengo Feb 2018 #70

I don't know. Do they value their guns more than people's lives like most gundamentalists? LonePirate Feb 2018 #73

Stop dancing around the question and answer as I have requested. Yes or no please. Marengo Feb 2018 #75

I already answered it. You simply didn't like how I answered it. LonePirate Feb 2018 #79

Nope. Yes or no, are DUers who dont support a complete prohibition of private firearms ownership Marengo Feb 2018 #82

Anybody who chooses more kids being shot in school over the good of society is not a decent American LonePirate Feb 2018 #84

Would that be anyone who currently possess a firearm? Marengo Feb 2018 #87

If they prefer kids being shot in school to giving up their guns, then yes. LonePirate Feb 2018 #89

Does anyone who has not given up their firearms post MSD care more about their guns than kids? Marengo Feb 2018 #94

In my opinion, yes. LonePirate Feb 2018 #95

Ah, so that would make any DUer who still possesses a firearm indecent? Marengo Feb 2018 #96

What is with your obsession with guns? Why do guns mean more to you than the lives of kids? LonePirate Feb 2018 #97

You didnt answer the question. Yes or no please. Marengo Feb 2018 #100

I have answered enough of your questions. Answer mine. LonePirate Feb 2018 #101

Why wont you answer? Why are you evading? Yes or no please. Marengo Feb 2018 #103

Why are you evading? You hate to be seen as a Republican schill and gun lover? LonePirate Feb 2018 #105

Yes or no please. Do DU members who have not given up their firearms post MSD care more about... Marengo Feb 2018 #107

stop being a prick scarytomcat Feb 2018 #131

LOL! Ok, well put it on record that you regard anyone on DU who currently owns a firearm... Marengo Feb 2018 #136

What are you here to stir up trouble? scarytomcat Feb 2018 #151

LOL! Is that projection I detect? Marengo Feb 2018 #184

The NRA SCRIPT version of "When did you stop beating your wife." Squinch Feb 2018 #85

Yep, 7. Even with the previous 20 you claim, thats a rookie number. Keep trying. Hmmmm, one Marengo Feb 2018 #90

What a shitshow this thread turned in to. gibraltar72 Feb 2018 #113

Its a despicable argument to be certain, and fortunately in the minority here, at least for now. Marengo Feb 2018 #116

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Does that include Democrats, members of DU? Marengo Feb 2018 #185

Yes. stopbush Feb 2018 #190

Thanks, I appreciate your honesty. Marengo Feb 2018 #191

Jesus, Mary and Elvis, you can't help yourself, can you? Here you are, right back on the SCRIPT! Squinch Feb 2018 #68

Now 5, please continue. Marengo Feb 2018 #72

Oh, honey, knock yourself out with the counting, but at least be accurate. I've pointed Squinch Feb 2018 #74

6. Perhaps you can repeat more than once per response since apparently you have nothing else. Marengo Feb 2018 #77

I don't know how to answer that...after the multiple shootings of school kids...Las Vegas, think Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #120

It isnt a dichotomous choice as some are demanding it be reduced to. One doesnt deserve to be... Marengo Feb 2018 #135

Im not for a complete ban on guns. Agschmid Feb 2018 #110

no i dont think so! Even our local Dem Party wants to have a 2nd Amenment Group and.. samnsara Feb 2018 #66

Great so we can look forward to more needless deaths...well guns are the issue for me now...won't Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #122

That would be............... MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #43

The majority want a complete prohibition on the private ownership of firearms? You may not have... Marengo Feb 2018 #48

Good point - and noted.............. MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #55

Absolutely, myself included. Im hopeful that its already starting, st least at the state level. Marengo Feb 2018 #59

thanks to illegal drugs scarytomcat Feb 2018 #129

"guns are our biggest export" not really EX500rider Feb 2018 #137

read somewhere they were after cigarettes fell back scarytomcat Feb 2018 #152

I don't think your statistics include all the weapons of war our government sells scarytomcat Feb 2018 #170

Again, no. EX500rider Feb 2018 #171

In Mexico, it would be due to crimes lords treestar Feb 2018 #139

And the rest of the Latin/Caribbean countries? EX500rider Feb 2018 #140

We are more comparable to other first world countries treestar Feb 2018 #141

The US homicide rate and the European rate aren't that different. EX500rider Feb 2018 #143

I have no idea what the argument is for assault rifles... Upthevibe Feb 2018 #8

This lunamagica Feb 2018 #42

Your list is my list. Merlot Feb 2018 #2

Add me pandr32 Feb 2018 #34

I really dont like any guns Clarity2 Feb 2018 #4

Go with the Australian way. Thyla Feb 2018 #5

I would like to see a 30 day waiting period . stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #6

I'd follow the gun policies of the countries with the lowest gun deaths. chowder66 Feb 2018 #9

This post is ridiculous. Even Full-Autos are not "Banned" in this country. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #10

+1 beaglelover Feb 2018 #12

And I'm massively anti-gun. I think our culture is sick at it's soul, maxsolomon Feb 2018 #20

So we should just let them win? johnpowdy Feb 2018 #36

They didn't have a 1:1 ratio. There weren't 300 million plus firearms. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #50

Okay, here's a "boned up" regulation proposal. moriah Feb 2018 #58

Those are well-considered Regulations maxsolomon Feb 2018 #119

Well, people who already have dumped $3,500 to get a belt-feed receiver... moriah Feb 2018 #132

Who here at DU do you think would object? Marengo Feb 2018 #203

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #168

Most useful post on this subject ever. It deserves a thread of its own. Nt lostnfound Feb 2018 #117

I like this approach. Also, my priority is to make it harder for shooters to get into schools. ooky Feb 2018 #211

Ban all semi-automatics, both rifles and handguns. Registration of ALL guns. Applications highplainsdem Feb 2018 #11

It's time to denormalize guns just as drunk driving was denormalized... hunter Feb 2018 #13

ban all types of assault weapons period beachbum bob Feb 2018 #14

The vast majority of firearm deaths are caused by hand guns....ban those too johnpowdy Feb 2018 #19

The police will protect you. sarisataka Feb 2018 #23

I'm starting to agree that the reason the police didn't go in was because the shooter had... johnpowdy Feb 2018 #25

I also heard sarisataka Feb 2018 #27

Well we need to change that johnpowdy Feb 2018 #31

Sorry, I have integrity sarisataka Feb 2018 #33

Then change the laws and make it say they do have a duty to protect you johnpowdy Feb 2018 #35

In my admittedly imperfect understanding sarisataka Feb 2018 #44

well you know, this is where we disagree...I won't see or support banning all guns same as beachbum bob Feb 2018 #41

some people live miles and miles from the nearest law enforcement office. StTimofEdenRoc Feb 2018 #153

Begin with STRICT enforcement of the laws already on the books Runningdawg Feb 2018 #15

No military type weapons period...they don't belong in civilian hands. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #121

ban all the automatic, assault rifles, bumpstocks etc. demigoddess Feb 2018 #17

All semi-automatics and a special permit for shotguns is needed for hunters johnpowdy Feb 2018 #18

No gun bans on .50 cal or below except shotgun slugs aikoaiko Feb 2018 #21

I'm going to go with your list. GoneOffShore Feb 2018 #24

BINGO johnpowdy Feb 2018 #26

That's the one. But add a ban on all rifle calibers over 0.32. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #127

Good point. As I'm not an enthusiast, or expert, GoneOffShore Feb 2018 #150

I truly hate the fact that I'm a bit knowledgeable on this subject. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #154

I used to target shoot. GoneOffShore Feb 2018 #156

Why ban .338 and .50 BMG? Marengo Feb 2018 #196

To get sniper rifles out of civilian hands. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #197

How often are they actually used in crime though? Begs the question, what about 30-06? One of... Marengo Feb 2018 #198

30-06, as you point out, is mostly a hunting round now The_jackalope Feb 2018 #200

30-06 is substantially lethal, and .308 is both a current military caliber and popular hunting round Marengo Feb 2018 #202

No, it's the weapons that are fethishized, not the ammunition. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #204

Whats the difference between a hunting rifle and a sniper rifle? Marengo Feb 2018 #206

The attitude of the user The_jackalope Feb 2018 #207

Carlos Hathcock used a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 for many of his kills during the VN war. Marengo Feb 2018 #215

No, that's not my argument at all. Do you know what a fetish is? The_jackalope Feb 2018 #217

If a Win M70 chambered in .338 is not a fetish object, why ban the .338? Marengo Feb 2018 #218

Because I feel like it. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #219

Reality based solutions dont include subjective criteria such as fetishization and so forth. Marengo Feb 2018 #221

Check back to the OP. This is a personal opinion thread. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #222

Ban them all... k8conant Feb 2018 #28

My ultimate dream is a total ban on all semi-auto guns johnpowdy Feb 2018 #32

"Anyone who fails to comply will be arrested" Assuming the govt knew who owns them..which they don't EX500rider Feb 2018 #62

Good luck arresting millions of people with guns Calculating Feb 2018 #88

Fine the shit out of them. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #126

Here is my stand lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #29

Ask Australia. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2018 #30

Ban any gun that allows a detachable magazine/clip/cartridge. Make illegal to own or sell one. boston bean Feb 2018 #38

Start with assault rifles. There is zero need for the public to own them. jalan48 Feb 2018 #39

This is the easiest way johnpowdy Feb 2018 #40

But they WANT them. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #52

That is a good place to start. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #128

apparently "we" aren't smart enough to regulate or ban firearms Tribalceltic Feb 2018 #45

Until we can figure out what the hell is going on! maxsolomon Feb 2018 #53

Even though restricting a specific weapon is clearly appropriate, it's easy access that bothers me. Sancho Feb 2018 #47

No big deal, right? yagotme Feb 2018 #208

"Banning" is just not possible.... vi5 Feb 2018 #54

Ban assault weapons...been done before. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #123

Any gun which can shoot more than 9 shots without reloading. n/t IllinoisBirdWatcher Feb 2018 #57

Any military type and similar automatic weapons which can quickly kill a lot of people at any range Meowmee Feb 2018 #60

Guns pamdb Feb 2018 #61

i love my handguns. Im a responsible gun owner. Ive taken safety classes and even competed (badly). samnsara Feb 2018 #64

I hope they are banned ...I choose kids over guns. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #125

Everyone is one that should have them Egnever Feb 2018 #161

Agree with all downtown hound said marlakay Feb 2018 #65

weapons of WAR should be exclusive to a well-regulated militia librechik Feb 2018 #69

Ban ar15 with exceptions Denis 11 Feb 2018 #76

Allow, but have more robust ownership rules that are enforced. Blue_true Feb 2018 #78

I would not ban antique guns or collectors guns. I would not ban hunting guns like shot guns or .22 wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #80

Bye bye. bullimiami Feb 2018 #81

I would ban all centerfire pistol ammunition except military, police, licensed armed guard uses. FarCenter Feb 2018 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Calculating Feb 2018 #91

Common sense stuff Calculating Feb 2018 #93

6 shot handguns for defense, 1 shot rifles for hunting Takket Feb 2018 #98

Melt 'Em Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #99

I have one. raven mad Feb 2018 #114

No need to actually "ban" anything, IMO... Adrahil Feb 2018 #118

ban all guns even the police weapons scarytomcat Feb 2018 #124

yeah that will go over big..you realize criminals will keep their guns right? EX500rider Feb 2018 #142

well maybe banks should figure out another way to protect their money scarytomcat Feb 2018 #155

if you got life without parole for possessing a gun scarytomcat Feb 2018 #158

If you got life without parole for murder, yagotme Feb 2018 #209

As opposed to the arms race we have now? Egnever Feb 2018 #162

I was responding to a post about dis-arming cops....sounds like a bad idea to me. EX500rider Feb 2018 #163

So what? Egnever Feb 2018 #165

You've heard of Prohibition, right? yagotme Feb 2018 #210

There a huge difference between guns and alcohol. Egnever Feb 2018 #212

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. yagotme Feb 2018 #220

Everything on your list I agree with MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #130

I don't have a problem with someone having a hunting rifle and maybe something for HOME defense if Hoyt Feb 2018 #133

"....and are irrationally paranoid." EX500rider Feb 2018 #144

Oh, give me a break -- most burglaries mean you aren't at home. That's very small odds, and yes if Hoyt Feb 2018 #145

A quarter million violent burglaries a year may sound like a small number to you. EX500rider Feb 2018 #146

If it were 200, you'd still arm up and tote. That is just a rationale. The vast majority of people Hoyt Feb 2018 #147

How exactly do you know who "totes"? Magic crystal ball? EX500rider Feb 2018 #149

is your pistol always loaded so it can be "ready" for your self defense? CTyankee Feb 2018 #172

My personal weapons in my house are really none of your business. EX500rider Feb 2018 #173

Fair enough. Just wondering as someone who lost a family member to a shooter who had no CTyankee Feb 2018 #174

Ok EX500rider Feb 2018 #176

See, the thing is that statistics don't mean shit to people who have a family member blown away. CTyankee Feb 2018 #181

I think the key factors are rate of fire and magazine capacity. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2018 #134

Ban them all except hunting rifles treestar Feb 2018 #138

I want more restrictions now, and more study by the CDC. Orsino Feb 2018 #148

Yes, the NRA needs to lose their power mvd Feb 2018 #186

Take whatever little you can get until after the next election. StTimofEdenRoc Feb 2018 #159

Ban all guns and have the NRA designated as a terrorist organization. jcmaine72 Feb 2018 #160

Every person should be allowed to have a musket. N/T KWR65 Feb 2018 #164

I like musketel wine too nolabels Feb 2018 #178

Ban every single fucking one of them!! gopiscrap Feb 2018 #166

allowed with HEAVY regulation Skittles Feb 2018 #169

Yes. A total gun ban would be in place for TWO YEARS. Hortensis Feb 2018 #175

I am a Quaker quaker bill Feb 2018 #177

Personally, with the exception of hunting rifles, l would be Enoki33 Feb 2018 #179

I'd like to ban all guns, BUT.. mvd Feb 2018 #180

You said you knew this would happen when u posted. backtoblue Feb 2018 #182

Awww, somebody rain on your parade? Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #188

Portable death machines freak me out, just like they should freak out ANY sane person. nt Binkie The Clown Feb 2018 #183

I'd ban all automatic weapons, not just semi-automatic. nt CozyMystery Feb 2018 #187

I'm in the heavily regulate camp hueymahl Feb 2018 #189

My Thoughts brettdale Feb 2018 #192

Every gun requires a license renewed yearly and requiring a background check. meadowlander Feb 2018 #193

Turn them all in, melt them all down samir.g Feb 2018 #194

Your list sounds sensible. Vinca Feb 2018 #199

Norm past what exist now because Im for realistic solutions thats work Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #201

I'm with you: shanny Feb 2018 #205

I'd start with outlawing ... GeorgeGist Feb 2018 #213

Ban everything and melt down the existing ones Awsi Dooger Feb 2018 #214

I would edit that to ban semi-automatic centerfire rifles. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #216