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The School Cop...who didn't charge into the Chaos.? [View all] busterbrown Feb 2018 OP

I definitely understand his point of view and this explains his actions. BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #1

There was a post yesterday with the test video of a person armed in classroom... brush Feb 2018 #121

Yes, everyone should see that treestar Feb 2018 #138

omg turnitup Feb 2018 #198

I don't understand your question. brush Feb 2018 #233

This one, probably RandomAccess Feb 2018 #243

Yeah, I'm Good With That ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #2

And I suspect the cop was outgunned. Baitball Blogger Feb 2018 #10

He Had A Handgun ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #16

So he was armed better than anyone else there, MichMary Feb 2018 #23

Bangs head malaise Feb 2018 #65

Yeah. Right. n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #68

He was no match for that weapon of war n/t malaise Feb 2018 #70

Then he needed a better weapon. Straw Man Feb 2018 #76

+1 n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #85

Give them tanks!!!! Good enough? nt Blue_true Feb 2018 #104

No. Absolutely inappropriate for the situation. Straw Man Feb 2018 #140

And you may want to move away from the creative fiction of movies LanternWaste Feb 2018 #110

What fiction? Straw Man Feb 2018 #145

Have you seen MichMary Feb 2018 #83

He knew damned well if he went barrelling down a hallway with a 9mm against a unknown.... Old Vet Feb 2018 #182

Look at it this way. Straw Man Feb 2018 #79

Or put simpler malaise Feb 2018 #81

Easy. Straw Man Feb 2018 #84

Is That Why Trump & The NRA Coming Down So Hard On Him?..... global1 Feb 2018 #11

Because he failed to do his job. Straw Man Feb 2018 #74

I think you're failing the point here Lithos Feb 2018 #100

Actually, not at all. Straw Man Feb 2018 #101

That's what I just said in my post below, not having read yours. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #129

No single cop is going to charge in there and take on an active shooter. Chemisse Feb 2018 #178

The Sheriff says otherwise. That was his JOB. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #215

That Man RobinA Feb 2018 #150

School resource officers SCantiGOP Feb 2018 #172

I think you should take a gun safety class as in the video. pazzyanne Feb 2018 #164

That video is the furthest thing from a "gun safety class." Straw Man Feb 2018 #222

But do we know what his training was? mythology Feb 2018 #220

No, we don't. Straw Man Feb 2018 #223

Yes - because his story runs counter to the NRA narrative Politicub Feb 2018 #143

Why is this guy getting a pass? Aren't police the ones who are supposed to protect us? Always Right Feb 2018 #253

Guns are not magic wands Politicub Feb 2018 #254

Cops don't have xray vision Always Right Feb 2018 #257

Gun mart then? Politicub Feb 2018 #258

When drafting laws, details matter Always Right Feb 2018 #259

I am not crafting a law Politicub Feb 2018 #262

How is asking you to speak intelligently using proper terms, trying to shut you up? Always Right Feb 2018 #263

Exactly. The love the pipe dream of the 'good guy with a gun'. Chemisse Feb 2018 #181

As a defacto security monitor, I'd rather him direct escaping victims forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #126

He wasn't a security guard. He was armed law enforcement. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #130

why try when there is no chance you will treestar Feb 2018 #142

There WAS a chance. We'll never know how much, because he didn't even try. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #151

I would hope the training forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #234

The shooter was killing multiple innocent kids and adults. No question. He had to go in. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #238

Monday Morning Quarterbacking. forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #239

No, not Monday quarterbacking. That was his JOB. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #240

You won't bring these children and teachers back with your outrage. forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #241

Don't be condescending. I am being factual. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #242

He would have been slaughtered Corgigal Feb 2018 #152

A lot of assumptions there. We'll have to agree to disagree. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #154

Not really Corgigal Feb 2018 #158

Yes, indeed. "There would have been light from the crack in the door"... Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #212

Unarmed teachers were trapped Corgigal Feb 2018 #221

Barricaded subject? Straw Man Feb 2018 #224

And a lot of assumptions on your part. LiberalFighter Feb 2018 #203

Actually, no. I'm going by pure facts. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #210

I admit that I don't know the training... forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #235

No one does their job today. Denis 11 Feb 2018 #247

Absolutely! ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #213

How many more threads on this are we going to have? RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #3

most of them were extremely critical of the guy.. busterbrown Feb 2018 #6

Ive seen at least two or three on the first page.... RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #8

So? n/t malaise Feb 2018 #55

Hmmmmm..... Squinch Feb 2018 #73

Man Im like potato chip to you RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #96

I agree. CozyMystery Feb 2018 #4

I don't think I would have run right into the middle of all that myself. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2018 #5

If he hasn't fired his weapon in years, he shouldn't be carrying it PJMcK Feb 2018 #12

For all I know he went to target practice once a week. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2018 #18

Outside of specialized officers like SWAT members DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2018 #36

He is a deputy sheriff so I am sure he shoots often GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #38

Like the old western gun fight treestar Feb 2018 #146

I thought police officers were supposed to do periodic certification on guns? nt Blue_true Feb 2018 #107

90% of cops NEVER fire their weapon at a person in their lifetime! Nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #112

i cant blame him either... samnsara Feb 2018 #67

He might not have seen anything, only heard shots. Hence not sure you rush in Hoyt Feb 2018 #69

So, what was the gun for? MichMary Feb 2018 #7

So easy to say.."If I were there" n/t busterbrown Feb 2018 #14

The guys with balls and no guns pintobean Feb 2018 #131

I didn't take a job as armed law enforcement to protect kids. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #132

+1000 nt Shipwack Feb 2018 #160

So easy to judge isn't it? pazzyanne Feb 2018 #180

Yaaa Gunz! He should have shot the AR15 out of the shooter's hands. That's what I would have done! FSogol Feb 2018 #15

He should have done something MichMary Feb 2018 #19

Too bad you weren't there to fix everything. FSogol Feb 2018 #21

I'm not trained MichMary Feb 2018 #26

Big talk. mac56 Feb 2018 #34

The real world isn't like a tv show or a video game. Cops don't spend their time in shoot outs FSogol Feb 2018 #35

Okay. So maybe MichMary Feb 2018 #40

Yeah, only gun nutz and scared special snowflakes should be armed? Pathetic. FSogol Feb 2018 #41

I'm not the one who thinks MichMary Feb 2018 #48

They actually aren't intended to prevent things treestar Feb 2018 #161

Cops have a gun to protect themselves from loonies and criminal with guns. boston bean Feb 2018 #47

Cops have guns only for self-defense. MichMary Feb 2018 #52

And to keep the peace. boston bean Feb 2018 #62

Yes, they don't have them to save the world treestar Feb 2018 #163

They are armed to deal with normal criminals treestar Feb 2018 #159

Maybe you should go meet him and tell him that..to his face.. pangaia Feb 2018 #92

Since he is behind locked doors MichMary Feb 2018 #94

"Just sayin,' is one of the most overused and obvious put downs here.. pangaia Feb 2018 #95

Sorry I annoyed you MichMary Feb 2018 #105

No, you're not. And your Dana Loesch shtick ain't gonna fly on DU. SMC22307 Feb 2018 #249

++++ pangaia Feb 2018 #89

In the Congressional Baseball game, 3 Capitol police were out gunned oasis Feb 2018 #58

R.U. stating Con. Baseball game presented the same busterbrown Feb 2018 #226

Capitol police faced superior fire power but did not shrink from oasis Feb 2018 #246

No security guards died at Parkland obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #147

Aaron Feis MichMary Feb 2018 #153

Not for massacres. For ordinary, run of the mill, thugs. Preferably unarmed. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #189

Ordinary, run of the mill, thugs MichMary Feb 2018 #206

No excuse Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #9

rly? did he sleep through mopinko Feb 2018 #13

There were armed guards at Columbine too. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #32

The school resource officer (cop) MichMary Feb 2018 #66

active shooting policy changed drastically after Columbine samir.g Feb 2018 #80

Yeah, it was pretty bad at Columbine. Mariana Feb 2018 #102

+1,000 malaise Feb 2018 #17

Amazing that so many state... busterbrown Feb 2018 #20

As they say malaise Feb 2018 #24

At this point malaise the cop should be put on suicide watch, Can you even begin to imagine......... Old Vet Feb 2018 #186

When you're a vet you understand malaise Feb 2018 #219

He's got soul, but he's not a soldier. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #22

$76,000/year to do MichMary Feb 2018 #44

Yup. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #51

It suggests there is more to the gig than you are thinking, though treestar Feb 2018 #199

I suppose. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #205

I don't think we really know what his duties were treestar Feb 2018 #166

And they want teachers to do what a school policeman won't. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #25

nice to try to blame some lone person when all the whole system FAILED bluestarone Feb 2018 #27

Good Point...! n/t busterbrown Feb 2018 #28

Thank you. n/t sarge43 Feb 2018 #120

There was a whole system failure, INCLUDING this guy who failed utterly to do his job. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #134

I don't blame the school cop. vlyons Feb 2018 #29

Untrained and unarmed students and teachers did a hell of a lot more than he did. n/t cynatnite Feb 2018 #31

Did you time warp from the 1970s? Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #53

Sorry, I don't understand... cynatnite Feb 2018 #30

Very Easy to say... busterbrown Feb 2018 #37

At close range inside the weapons are not that mismatched Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #49

Yep... cynatnite Feb 2018 #57

He has the same training that's required of every cop in that state. It's a requirement... cynatnite Feb 2018 #54

How do you know what his job was? treestar Feb 2018 #167

The news said what his job was and Sheriff Israel even talked about him. n/t cynatnite Feb 2018 #168

What is the list of his duties treestar Feb 2018 #169

Seriously? cynatnite Feb 2018 #171

Really? treestar Feb 2018 #173

I'm not the one that's giving a trained and experienced police officer a free pass... cynatnite Feb 2018 #176

Consider this pazzyanne Feb 2018 #185

It's the cop's job to go find the shooter and confront him... cynatnite Feb 2018 #209

Easy to judge without all the facts. pazzyanne Feb 2018 #211

It's also easy if you've never experienced life and death situations... cynatnite Feb 2018 #216

Everyone calling this cop a coward.. busterbrown Feb 2018 #187

Yeah I'm wondering if they would treestar Feb 2018 #194

As an ex-student, the shooter knew there was an armed cop at the school. rickford66 Feb 2018 #33

Nope. Adrahil Feb 2018 #39

Have experience with fire dept.. busterbrown Feb 2018 #42

Then dont become a cop? Adrahil Feb 2018 #46

In your fire fighter example were you all alone? n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #43

Doesnt matter. Adrahil Feb 2018 #50

It does matter. You had support and the tools to do the job. He didn't n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #59

BS. Adrahil Feb 2018 #64

He should have been armed with an automatic weapon, however treestar Feb 2018 #201

It's a relevant question because no firefighter would rush into a burning procon Feb 2018 #165

Cops aren't required to protect NewDem17 Feb 2018 #75

Are you talking about Gonzales v. Castle Rock? Squinch Feb 2018 #91

They need to change their mottos then Exotica Feb 2018 #119

90% of cops never fire their gun in a llifetime.... USALiberal Feb 2018 #115

No. He failed in his duty when the time came. Period Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #45

+1 Adrahil Feb 2018 #56

Very well said. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #60

***THIS*** n/t cynatnite Feb 2018 #61

Thanks for your perspective, Lee-Lee n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #78

If he knew what was happening, where shooter or shooters were, where students were, etc., Hoyt Feb 2018 #86

The fact that this guy quit as quickly as he did speaks louder than anything else. cynatnite Feb 2018 #93

Truthfully, at my age I probably would have run in, because I don't have a lot to lose. BUT Hoyt Feb 2018 #106

His job was to go in and figure out the things he didnt know Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #103

Yeah, if I remember you were quick to defend Darren Wilson, even though he blasted away in a Hoyt Feb 2018 #111

His first and most important job was protecting the students Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #116

Shooting them up or creating a hostage situation would not fulfill that responsibility. Hoyt Feb 2018 #188

He quit because he knew all the guilty parties were going to scapegoat him and he might lose his Hoyt Feb 2018 #190

What you saw on the TV was not an active shooter Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #197

The guard didn't know what was going on -- hostage, mass murder, some fool shooting off his gun, 10 Hoyt Feb 2018 #204

When you hear then gunshots its clear whats going on Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #208

Well, I know this -- Las Vegas SWAT Team Waited One Hour Before Entering Killers Hotel Room. Hoyt Feb 2018 #217

Vegas SWAT waited because bye the time they reached the hallway he had stopped firing Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #218

Oh we can't hear his side! treestar Feb 2018 #175

I will agree he did fail at his duty, but his reaction is understandable and relatable. Oneironaut Feb 2018 #98

Problem now is, every kid will look at their SRO and wonder, "Would you even try to help me, Demit Feb 2018 #113

Great post... ADX Feb 2018 #99

Nope! Nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #118

Who says anyone has to give their life to save anyone else? treestar Feb 2018 #170

When you swear to become an officer you accept that your risk Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #179

He might have been wiling to accept that risk treestar Feb 2018 #196

Thank you for posting this and thank you for having served your community. grossproffit Feb 2018 #250

His duty was not to commit suicide Politicub Feb 2018 #255

Well, do you still feel that way after hearing the guard's response today? Hoyt Feb 2018 #260

Yes Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #261

man o man i understand his reluctance as well. I think thats asking way too much.. samnsara Feb 2018 #63

Some here are stating that busterbrown Feb 2018 #71

Yeah you really dont know much about guns do you? Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #123

Rifle Rifle? busterbrown Feb 2018 #184

I know little about guns treestar Feb 2018 #202

I think I've read MichMary Feb 2018 #157

I do feel sorry for him, but at the same time... Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #72

Question for any cops around here: if a cop comes upon a situation where he has a Squinch Feb 2018 #77

No. Straw Man Feb 2018 #82

Thanks for the aswer. I'm glad I'm not a school cop. And, as a school employee, they Squinch Feb 2018 #87

No one should ever be compelled ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #90

That depends on the situation. In this case no Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #122

Thank you for this answer. Squinch Feb 2018 #124

I think School shootings are something he is aware of JDC Feb 2018 #88

Negative. Snackshack Feb 2018 #97

they would rather praise a dead hero Motley13 Feb 2018 #108

We'll never know because he didn't even try. He stayed where he was safe. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #136

I stand by what he did - absolutely did the right thing. To coin a phrase, you don't take a knife iluvtennis Feb 2018 #109

You are 100% wrong Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #114

This is the right answer... nil desperandum Feb 2018 #149

Sorry...this is a religious argument, so will agree to disagree. nt iluvtennis Feb 2018 #244

How would the cop hiding outside know what weapon the killer was using? Always Right Feb 2018 #248

some officers are taking a pledge to act . Its a decision they need to make before it happens lunasun Feb 2018 #117

For those who dont understand why cops and others are so harsh on him Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #125

Huge fucking COWARDS who wouldnt even take his job in the first place will Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #127

I'm not okay w/his actions. He wasn't armed for misbehaving students. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #128

He only was armed with a pistol JPPaverage Feb 2018 #133

No cop is trained to charge into an unknown situation alone. bullimiami Feb 2018 #135

I agree. They've made an exception since Columbine, but it doesn't make sense. pnwmom Feb 2018 #191

I would rather hear the whole story treestar Feb 2018 #137

I agree with you busterbrown VaBchTgerLily Feb 2018 #139

And, it was in Parkland obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #141

I can see it both ways, but he doesn't deserve to be castigated... or likely threatened Chakaconcarne Feb 2018 #144

And, this is the problem.... mudstump Feb 2018 #148

He was the only one there orangecrush Feb 2018 #155

I agree however, this might warrant other schools to review their safety officers creds OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #156

I agree TNLib Feb 2018 #162

"sacrifice" orangecrush Feb 2018 #174

I knew an LAPD cop who left the force after the Watts Riots. At 6'4" he kept being put in front... Hekate Feb 2018 #177

The Cop was scared . . . so what, he was a coward and a pussy. Screw Him. OldManTarHeel Feb 2018 #183

Or he was realistic. What match is a cop with a pistol against a crazed shooter pnwmom Feb 2018 #192

The Man was a Pussy . . he took the easy way out and failed to engage, as He should have. OldManTarHeel Feb 2018 #230

Normally, police wait for backup in situations like this. pnwmom Feb 2018 #236

I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion the guy would have Vinca Feb 2018 #193

Lots of Tough Guys talking lately... busterbrown Feb 2018 #195

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #200

So I guess the NRA's answer is that Upthevibe Feb 2018 #207

Feeling Guilt is the likely sentiment. The Man Pussyied Out OldManTarHeel Feb 2018 #231

+ a brazillion. nt tblue37 Feb 2018 #214

In the words of Mike Tyson kskiska Feb 2018 #225

Yep! a lot of tough guys around here....N/t busterbrown Feb 2018 #227

Not a Tough Guy . . Just Brave enough to do my fukking job. Peterson is a Pussy. OldManTarHeel Feb 2018 #232

Christ on a Trailer Hitch, this thread reeks of NRA framing. Not the OP, but dozens of replies... Hekate Feb 2018 #228

here is my thought--the main issue in bringing this up isn't to humiliate this guy blake2012 Feb 2018 #229

Adding a link to this thread malaise Feb 2018 #237

He doesn't deserve crap or to be called names. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #245

i agree! samnsara Feb 2018 #251

My guess would be quaker bill Feb 2018 #252

My buddy is retired LAPD. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #256

Im disappointed in the guy, but at this point hamsterjill Feb 2018 #264