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23. Tell him the last time the military opened fire on its citizens

Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:47 PM

Feb 2018

was at Kent State. And while I was not alive at the time, my understanding is most right wingers cheered them on. However we are having a mass shooting it seems like every week. So between the two, which is the greater threat?

I also like to show people who use that defense pictures of the armed militia in Charlottesville, and tell them them that I am way more afraid of people like that than I am of the government and their black helicopters.

Also, you can show him this. This is what happens when a militia takes over a town. It isn't pretty.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/the-town-the-militia-took_b_3694293.html

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Need help countering my gun nut brother in law on the 2nd amendment [View all] johnpowdy Feb 2018 OP

There are no provisions in the Constitution for fighting against the government HAB911 Feb 2018 #1

Exactly. AJT Feb 2018 #3

Thanks I will mention this johnpowdy Feb 2018 #4

Mention Article I section 8 clause 15 jberryhill Feb 2018 #11

Exactly pandr32 Feb 2018 #13

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,..." aikoaiko Feb 2018 #16

Yes it is. "State" by definition means an organized collective that is considered the leading Blue_true Feb 2018 #28

yes, an organized collective that is considered the leading entity, (e.g., not i.e., government). aikoaiko Feb 2018 #31

You dance around flames well, Grasshopper. Blue_true Feb 2018 #40

OK. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #56

LOL, try that in a court of law HAB911 Feb 2018 #30

Depends on whose court. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #33

Not a court of sovereign citizens HAB911 Feb 2018 #34

Depends who wins. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #36

The scholarship on the issue suggests that free state in the 18th context meant a nation free... Marengo Feb 2018 #44

Perhaps one day we get the chance to test your scholarship HAB911 Feb 2018 #60

The nice thing about Facebook MichMary Feb 2018 #2

Precisely Sherman A1 Feb 2018 #15

so your brother likes mercuryblues Feb 2018 #5

I wouldn't bother to argue because there's no way to persuade someone The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #6

He has a point hack89 Feb 2018 #7

So you are talking about society breaking down. Blue_true Feb 2018 #32

Perhaps hack89 Feb 2018 #71

You are wasting your time jberryhill Feb 2018 #8

You are both right to a degree. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #9

Please don't share this here backtoblue Feb 2018 #10

Indeed, repeating lame talking points of gunners, again? And asking for a response seems like a Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #39

Very tedious ChubbyStar Feb 2018 #72

No government establishes a bill of rights so that its people can take down the government. MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #12

Ask him if he supports... DetlefK Feb 2018 #14

That's a good one. Didn't think of that johnpowdy Feb 2018 #17

Yeah, that should make his head explode. dhol82 Feb 2018 #18

Suggest he seek psychiatric help. I bet he checks under his bed every night for foreigners. Vinca Feb 2018 #19

And have him ask for the NRA discount TheCowsCameHome Feb 2018 #22

ask where his cave is Fresh_Start Feb 2018 #20

Armed Drones n/t hlthe2b Feb 2018 #21

Tell him the last time the military opened fire on its citizens Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #23

Ask him if he read the second ammendment... LakeArenal Feb 2018 #24

It doesn't even say 'private gun ownership' it says 'keep and bear arms' ... 95% of 'arms' in 1780's mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #38

Tell him. Blue_true Feb 2018 #25

Don't respond/argue with him on this topic at all. Move on to something else or leave. Lil Missy Feb 2018 #26

Here's what I would ask him: onenote Feb 2018 #27

The reason we haven't defeated people in caves in places like Afghanistan? Ohioboy Feb 2018 #29

Exactly. Anyone who thinks we couldn't have destroyed the Taliban or Al Qaeda or ISIS completely mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #41

Pull the other one, its got bells on chumpchange Feb 2018 #52

Well, not Vietnam that was a long time ago ... but the rest? Yup ... mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #66

So you are ignoring chumpchange Feb 2018 #67

Would those ROE be lifted if fought on US soil? NickB79 Feb 2018 #50

I'm not assuming anything Ohioboy Feb 2018 #57

Understood NickB79 Feb 2018 #59

I agree with you. Ohioboy Feb 2018 #63

ignore him Takket Feb 2018 #35

"People" refers to the whole, not every single individual missingm Feb 2018 #37

Conflict with the 1st Amendment - "right of the people peaceably to assemble" hexola Feb 2018 #42

in all seriousness D_Master81 Feb 2018 #43

Welcome to DU GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #45

The present gunowners would not be on the side of the people if the need arose to defend ourselves.. kentuck Feb 2018 #46

Good one. I responded and am waiting for his response. johnpowdy Feb 2018 #47

Bingo. NickB79 Feb 2018 #55

I think you are right to counter your brother on this. Ohioboy Feb 2018 #48

AR-15 in action: sarisataka Feb 2018 #49

That's disgusting. hunter Feb 2018 #51

It is certainly outdated. The supporters of the 2nd still believe its the 1800s or something johnpowdy Feb 2018 #53

By the same token chumpchange Feb 2018 #54

Wow stupid comparison n/t johnpowdy Feb 2018 #58

Really? chumpchange Feb 2018 #61

Doesn't matter johnpowdy Feb 2018 #62

Not the British chumpchange Feb 2018 #68

Let's bring back slavery! It's God's will! hunter Feb 2018 #69

Sorry, your brother is correct about guerrilla warfare. former9thward Feb 2018 #64

He is probably correct Calculating Feb 2018 #65

All rights have limits ollie10 Feb 2018 #70

Locking.... DonViejo Feb 2018 #73