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PJMcK

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14. We lost that war when we declared it

Sun Feb 25, 2018, 10:05 PM

Feb 2018

The minute that the W administration over-reacted to the 9/11 terror attacks, we abdicated a leadership role. We've spent tremendous amounts of treasure on false security and we've sacrificed our civil liberties and safety for a false security.

Regardless, my earlier point was simply about one's personal travel experiences in light of the new ID requirements. I live in NY and our drivers' licenses meet the new requirements. We actually have an enhanced license that can be used to travel in and out of Canada, Mexico and some Caribbean countries in lieu of a passport.

When you encounter the TSA during your travels, the better your ID and personal behavior, the better they will treat you.

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Passports for internal travel????? [View all] grumpyduck Feb 2018 OP

I'm old enuff to remember our national outrage rhat Soviets needed passes to travel town to town!! bobbieinok Feb 2018 #1

That is not this BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #69

Some states have not met standards in the REAL ID Act for issuing driver licenses. Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #2

You will need an alternative ID if you want to travel by plane or other travel that requires an ID Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #3

Anyone know if Nevada and Oklahoma have the real IDs? brush Feb 2018 #51

I don't know about Nevada, but Oklahoma does not. KatyaR Feb 2018 #59

Yup. No "real" ID, no flying. MineralMan Feb 2018 #4

Ouch, thanks. I forgot about this long ago, and Hortensis Feb 2018 #52

New Hampshire has the same issue JDC Feb 2018 #5

Okay, thanks all for bringing up the REAL ID law grumpyduck Feb 2018 #6

And in states that are Real ID compliant, often getting a driver's license renewal PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #7

My last renewal in GA for 'Real ID'... no big deal... CurtEastPoint Feb 2018 #12

Apparently here in New Mexico the people at the DMV are being PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #17

In the military (USCG) in 1977 SonofDonald Feb 2018 #30

I hope that the military has moved beyond that. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #37

Unless you are woman who when married, changed your name csziggy Feb 2018 #20

Yep. Divorced and remarried and then moved to another state. kcr Feb 2018 #22

Right now I am wondering if I need a copy of my marriage certificate csziggy Feb 2018 #23

Not sure, but the passport application isn't as ridiculous as far as the documents required. kcr Feb 2018 #24

If you never changed your name, your marital status is PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #43

I sometimes get mail addressed to {myfirstname} {wife'slastname} MineralMan Feb 2018 #67

That's amusing. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #68

That's why I am not too worried about the marriage certificate csziggy Feb 2018 #72

The Way Things Are RobinA Feb 2018 #70

Especially how much people move around today csziggy Feb 2018 #73

yes true, and theybwere'nt going to allow my laminated original birth certification OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #36

I honestly don't understand why any woman in the past 40 years or so PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #38

Oh Poindexter ! nocalflea Feb 2018 #53

I got married in1980. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #55

I agree it's a personal decision. nocalflea Feb 2018 #60

I've been married 5 times since 1970. None of my wives changed their name. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #61

lololol Exotica Feb 2018 #62

HA HA ! Good one. Same with my 2 wives.. One at a time, of course.. pangaia Feb 2018 #74

I know - I married in 1977 and it was a battle csziggy Feb 2018 #65

It can be a problem showing residency for some sarah FAILIN Feb 2018 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Feb 2018 #35

I don't think a PO Box will show an actual address. It will only show the PO Box PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #39

We have to actually install a mail receptacle at our home first. sarah FAILIN Feb 2018 #58

And there are lots of people in her shoes. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #66

If you are a woman who has taken a married name, it is much more difficult and requires a marriage Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #78

So you have no personal experience just what others say? GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #64

The "deadline" keeps getting pushed back Major Nikon Feb 2018 #8

You need a drivers license or passport to get on a plane. AJT Feb 2018 #33

Not according to the TSA Major Nikon Feb 2018 #34

I saw signs at Ohio and Georgia about this when I traveled in August of last year. You Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #79

Does anyone know if the passport card will suffice? TomSlick Feb 2018 #9

It should. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #18

Yes. I've used it as my ID at the TSA checkpoint. NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #25

A word of advice from my many travel experiences PJMcK Feb 2018 #10

Good advice, but... Major Nikon Feb 2018 #13

We lost that war when we declared it PJMcK Feb 2018 #14

There's all sorts of tricks to get through security efficiently Major Nikon Feb 2018 #16

The trick I mostly use for airport security PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #19

TSA has pre-check available for an extra expense Major Nikon Feb 2018 #21

Ive had tsa pre oir a few years, was never finger printed. pangaia Feb 2018 #26

Just got mine renewed last year Major Nikon Feb 2018 #27

Humm... pangaia Feb 2018 #29

For me the extra expense is the cost of the first class ticket. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #40

First class doesn't get you through the security line any faster Major Nikon Feb 2018 #44

My, admittedly very limited, experience has been that it does. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #46

I love the train Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #45

Oh, yes! PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #47

You buy a first calss ticket? Are u kidding? pangaia Feb 2018 #28

This is what I do. herding cats Feb 2018 #31

I have it also and I'm not sure most would find it of much use Major Nikon Feb 2018 #41

I've only flown out of DFW 2x and yeah, also remember seeing short pangaia Feb 2018 #75

I'm not willing to tell them all about myself. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #48

I Used To Feel RobinA Feb 2018 #71

Plus, "they" have all that info anyway. LOL... pangaia Feb 2018 #82

Hope my previous reply didn't sound to.. um.. snooty. I CAN be snooty. LOL pangaia Feb 2018 #80

this is what I do and how I behave Skittles Feb 2018 #54

It's a Real ID requirement lithiumbomb Feb 2018 #11

The passport card is wonderful. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #49

Washington State has enhanced driver's licenses. It's the standard license which won't work. icymist Feb 2018 #15

TSA does vary their protocol Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #42

Help me out here. What is PP and FF? PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #50

A guess: PassPort, Frequent Flyer. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #56

Thank goodness it means PassPort Orange Free State Feb 2018 #76

I rarely leave here - raven mad Feb 2018 #57

well heaven05 Feb 2018 #63

Yes I saw the airport notifications for it. This is because those states refused to do the new Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #77

Just to clarify: yallerdawg Feb 2018 #81