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209. If you got life without parole for murder,

Reply to scarytomcat (Reply #158)

Mon Feb 26, 2018, 01:13 PM

Feb 2018

would you do it?
Murderers are a big problem.

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Where do you personally stand on what guns, if any, to ban or allow? [View all] Downtown Hound Feb 2018 OP

Ban every single gun regardless of what type it is (handgun, rifle, semi-automatic, assault weapon). LonePirate Feb 2018 #1

Has certainly worked well in Mexico & Jamaica.. EX500rider Feb 2018 #3

Exceptionally tough gun restrictions and bans have worked well in Australia and Japan. LonePirate Feb 2018 #7

It worked in countries that already had low homicide rates, no doubt. EX500rider Feb 2018 #16

Who is we? Marengo Feb 2018 #22

The vast majority of decent Americans who value lives over guns. You need to wake up. LonePirate Feb 2018 #37

Decent Americans want a complete prohibition on the private ownership of firearms? Marengo Feb 2018 #46

Yes johnpowdy Feb 2018 #49

Interesting. So, what about members here on DU who dont want complete prohibition? Are they... Marengo Feb 2018 #51

Why the hell do you need a gun? johnpowdy Feb 2018 #56

How about answering my question rather than deflecting? Marengo Feb 2018 #63

If my XBOX radiated cancer to everyone around me, I would give up my game Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #102

What about folks here at DU who still as of now possess firearms, are they indecent? Marengo Feb 2018 #104

Not the point. I wasnt the one who said they werent, the person who you argued with Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #106

Im now asking you, and looking for a simple yes or no. Cant possibly be difficult. Marengo Feb 2018 #108

You lost this debate when you made it about people. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #109

Nope, not interested in your diversion attempt. Try again. By the way, I have asked you... Marengo Feb 2018 #111

... Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #112

Cant answer either, eh? Got it. Marengo Feb 2018 #115

That doesn't seem like the best example... Baconator Feb 2018 #195

I'm an old target shooter. gibraltar72 Feb 2018 #71

Can't you target shoot with a bow and arrow or BB gun? johnpowdy Feb 2018 #92

Yeah, that has always been my question. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #167

So I can have some way to control my own destiny Calculating Feb 2018 #86

They can learn to give up their addiction much like people who quit drinking or smoking. LonePirate Feb 2018 #67

You didnt answer my question. Are they, or are they not, decent Americans? This is a close-ended Marengo Feb 2018 #70

I don't know. Do they value their guns more than people's lives like most gundamentalists? LonePirate Feb 2018 #73

Stop dancing around the question and answer as I have requested. Yes or no please. Marengo Feb 2018 #75

I already answered it. You simply didn't like how I answered it. LonePirate Feb 2018 #79

Nope. Yes or no, are DUers who dont support a complete prohibition of private firearms ownership Marengo Feb 2018 #82

Anybody who chooses more kids being shot in school over the good of society is not a decent American LonePirate Feb 2018 #84

Would that be anyone who currently possess a firearm? Marengo Feb 2018 #87

If they prefer kids being shot in school to giving up their guns, then yes. LonePirate Feb 2018 #89

Does anyone who has not given up their firearms post MSD care more about their guns than kids? Marengo Feb 2018 #94

In my opinion, yes. LonePirate Feb 2018 #95

Ah, so that would make any DUer who still possesses a firearm indecent? Marengo Feb 2018 #96

What is with your obsession with guns? Why do guns mean more to you than the lives of kids? LonePirate Feb 2018 #97

You didnt answer the question. Yes or no please. Marengo Feb 2018 #100

I have answered enough of your questions. Answer mine. LonePirate Feb 2018 #101

Why wont you answer? Why are you evading? Yes or no please. Marengo Feb 2018 #103

Why are you evading? You hate to be seen as a Republican schill and gun lover? LonePirate Feb 2018 #105

Yes or no please. Do DU members who have not given up their firearms post MSD care more about... Marengo Feb 2018 #107

stop being a prick scarytomcat Feb 2018 #131

LOL! Ok, well put it on record that you regard anyone on DU who currently owns a firearm... Marengo Feb 2018 #136

What are you here to stir up trouble? scarytomcat Feb 2018 #151

LOL! Is that projection I detect? Marengo Feb 2018 #184

The NRA SCRIPT version of "When did you stop beating your wife." Squinch Feb 2018 #85

Yep, 7. Even with the previous 20 you claim, thats a rookie number. Keep trying. Hmmmm, one Marengo Feb 2018 #90

What a shitshow this thread turned in to. gibraltar72 Feb 2018 #113

Its a despicable argument to be certain, and fortunately in the minority here, at least for now. Marengo Feb 2018 #116

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #157

Does that include Democrats, members of DU? Marengo Feb 2018 #185

Yes. stopbush Feb 2018 #190

Thanks, I appreciate your honesty. Marengo Feb 2018 #191

Jesus, Mary and Elvis, you can't help yourself, can you? Here you are, right back on the SCRIPT! Squinch Feb 2018 #68

Now 5, please continue. Marengo Feb 2018 #72

Oh, honey, knock yourself out with the counting, but at least be accurate. I've pointed Squinch Feb 2018 #74

6. Perhaps you can repeat more than once per response since apparently you have nothing else. Marengo Feb 2018 #77

I don't know how to answer that...after the multiple shootings of school kids...Las Vegas, think Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #120

It isnt a dichotomous choice as some are demanding it be reduced to. One doesnt deserve to be... Marengo Feb 2018 #135

Im not for a complete ban on guns. Agschmid Feb 2018 #110

no i dont think so! Even our local Dem Party wants to have a 2nd Amenment Group and.. samnsara Feb 2018 #66

Great so we can look forward to more needless deaths...well guns are the issue for me now...won't Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #122

That would be............... MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #43

The majority want a complete prohibition on the private ownership of firearms? You may not have... Marengo Feb 2018 #48

Good point - and noted.............. MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #55

Absolutely, myself included. Im hopeful that its already starting, st least at the state level. Marengo Feb 2018 #59

thanks to illegal drugs scarytomcat Feb 2018 #129

"guns are our biggest export" not really EX500rider Feb 2018 #137

read somewhere they were after cigarettes fell back scarytomcat Feb 2018 #152

I don't think your statistics include all the weapons of war our government sells scarytomcat Feb 2018 #170

Again, no. EX500rider Feb 2018 #171

In Mexico, it would be due to crimes lords treestar Feb 2018 #139

And the rest of the Latin/Caribbean countries? EX500rider Feb 2018 #140

We are more comparable to other first world countries treestar Feb 2018 #141

The US homicide rate and the European rate aren't that different. EX500rider Feb 2018 #143

I have no idea what the argument is for assault rifles... Upthevibe Feb 2018 #8

This lunamagica Feb 2018 #42

Your list is my list. Merlot Feb 2018 #2

Add me pandr32 Feb 2018 #34

I really dont like any guns Clarity2 Feb 2018 #4

Go with the Australian way. Thyla Feb 2018 #5

I would like to see a 30 day waiting period . stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #6

I'd follow the gun policies of the countries with the lowest gun deaths. chowder66 Feb 2018 #9

This post is ridiculous. Even Full-Autos are not "Banned" in this country. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #10

+1 beaglelover Feb 2018 #12

And I'm massively anti-gun. I think our culture is sick at it's soul, maxsolomon Feb 2018 #20

So we should just let them win? johnpowdy Feb 2018 #36

They didn't have a 1:1 ratio. There weren't 300 million plus firearms. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #50

Okay, here's a "boned up" regulation proposal. moriah Feb 2018 #58

Those are well-considered Regulations maxsolomon Feb 2018 #119

Well, people who already have dumped $3,500 to get a belt-feed receiver... moriah Feb 2018 #132

Who here at DU do you think would object? Marengo Feb 2018 #203

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #168

Most useful post on this subject ever. It deserves a thread of its own. Nt lostnfound Feb 2018 #117

I like this approach. Also, my priority is to make it harder for shooters to get into schools. ooky Feb 2018 #211

Ban all semi-automatics, both rifles and handguns. Registration of ALL guns. Applications highplainsdem Feb 2018 #11

It's time to denormalize guns just as drunk driving was denormalized... hunter Feb 2018 #13

ban all types of assault weapons period beachbum bob Feb 2018 #14

The vast majority of firearm deaths are caused by hand guns....ban those too johnpowdy Feb 2018 #19

The police will protect you. sarisataka Feb 2018 #23

I'm starting to agree that the reason the police didn't go in was because the shooter had... johnpowdy Feb 2018 #25

I also heard sarisataka Feb 2018 #27

Well we need to change that johnpowdy Feb 2018 #31

Sorry, I have integrity sarisataka Feb 2018 #33

Then change the laws and make it say they do have a duty to protect you johnpowdy Feb 2018 #35

In my admittedly imperfect understanding sarisataka Feb 2018 #44

well you know, this is where we disagree...I won't see or support banning all guns same as beachbum bob Feb 2018 #41

some people live miles and miles from the nearest law enforcement office. StTimofEdenRoc Feb 2018 #153

Begin with STRICT enforcement of the laws already on the books Runningdawg Feb 2018 #15

No military type weapons period...they don't belong in civilian hands. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #121

ban all the automatic, assault rifles, bumpstocks etc. demigoddess Feb 2018 #17

All semi-automatics and a special permit for shotguns is needed for hunters johnpowdy Feb 2018 #18

No gun bans on .50 cal or below except shotgun slugs aikoaiko Feb 2018 #21

I'm going to go with your list. GoneOffShore Feb 2018 #24

BINGO johnpowdy Feb 2018 #26

That's the one. But add a ban on all rifle calibers over 0.32. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #127

Good point. As I'm not an enthusiast, or expert, GoneOffShore Feb 2018 #150

I truly hate the fact that I'm a bit knowledgeable on this subject. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #154

I used to target shoot. GoneOffShore Feb 2018 #156

Why ban .338 and .50 BMG? Marengo Feb 2018 #196

To get sniper rifles out of civilian hands. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #197

How often are they actually used in crime though? Begs the question, what about 30-06? One of... Marengo Feb 2018 #198

30-06, as you point out, is mostly a hunting round now The_jackalope Feb 2018 #200

30-06 is substantially lethal, and .308 is both a current military caliber and popular hunting round Marengo Feb 2018 #202

No, it's the weapons that are fethishized, not the ammunition. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #204

Whats the difference between a hunting rifle and a sniper rifle? Marengo Feb 2018 #206

The attitude of the user The_jackalope Feb 2018 #207

Carlos Hathcock used a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 for many of his kills during the VN war. Marengo Feb 2018 #215

No, that's not my argument at all. Do you know what a fetish is? The_jackalope Feb 2018 #217

If a Win M70 chambered in .338 is not a fetish object, why ban the .338? Marengo Feb 2018 #218

Because I feel like it. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #219

Reality based solutions dont include subjective criteria such as fetishization and so forth. Marengo Feb 2018 #221

Check back to the OP. This is a personal opinion thread. The_jackalope Feb 2018 #222

Ban them all... k8conant Feb 2018 #28

My ultimate dream is a total ban on all semi-auto guns johnpowdy Feb 2018 #32

"Anyone who fails to comply will be arrested" Assuming the govt knew who owns them..which they don't EX500rider Feb 2018 #62

Good luck arresting millions of people with guns Calculating Feb 2018 #88

Fine the shit out of them. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #126

Here is my stand lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #29

Ask Australia. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2018 #30

Ban any gun that allows a detachable magazine/clip/cartridge. Make illegal to own or sell one. boston bean Feb 2018 #38

Start with assault rifles. There is zero need for the public to own them. jalan48 Feb 2018 #39

This is the easiest way johnpowdy Feb 2018 #40

But they WANT them. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #52

That is a good place to start. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #128

apparently "we" aren't smart enough to regulate or ban firearms Tribalceltic Feb 2018 #45

Until we can figure out what the hell is going on! maxsolomon Feb 2018 #53

Even though restricting a specific weapon is clearly appropriate, it's easy access that bothers me. Sancho Feb 2018 #47

No big deal, right? yagotme Feb 2018 #208

"Banning" is just not possible.... vi5 Feb 2018 #54

Ban assault weapons...been done before. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #123

Any gun which can shoot more than 9 shots without reloading. n/t IllinoisBirdWatcher Feb 2018 #57

Any military type and similar automatic weapons which can quickly kill a lot of people at any range Meowmee Feb 2018 #60

Guns pamdb Feb 2018 #61

i love my handguns. Im a responsible gun owner. Ive taken safety classes and even competed (badly). samnsara Feb 2018 #64

I hope they are banned ...I choose kids over guns. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #125

Everyone is one that should have them Egnever Feb 2018 #161

Agree with all downtown hound said marlakay Feb 2018 #65

weapons of WAR should be exclusive to a well-regulated militia librechik Feb 2018 #69

Ban ar15 with exceptions Denis 11 Feb 2018 #76

Allow, but have more robust ownership rules that are enforced. Blue_true Feb 2018 #78

I would not ban antique guns or collectors guns. I would not ban hunting guns like shot guns or .22 wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #80

Bye bye. bullimiami Feb 2018 #81

I would ban all centerfire pistol ammunition except military, police, licensed armed guard uses. FarCenter Feb 2018 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Calculating Feb 2018 #91

Common sense stuff Calculating Feb 2018 #93

6 shot handguns for defense, 1 shot rifles for hunting Takket Feb 2018 #98

Melt 'Em Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #99

I have one. raven mad Feb 2018 #114

No need to actually "ban" anything, IMO... Adrahil Feb 2018 #118

ban all guns even the police weapons scarytomcat Feb 2018 #124

yeah that will go over big..you realize criminals will keep their guns right? EX500rider Feb 2018 #142

well maybe banks should figure out another way to protect their money scarytomcat Feb 2018 #155

if you got life without parole for possessing a gun scarytomcat Feb 2018 #158

If you got life without parole for murder, yagotme Feb 2018 #209

As opposed to the arms race we have now? Egnever Feb 2018 #162

I was responding to a post about dis-arming cops....sounds like a bad idea to me. EX500rider Feb 2018 #163

So what? Egnever Feb 2018 #165

You've heard of Prohibition, right? yagotme Feb 2018 #210

There a huge difference between guns and alcohol. Egnever Feb 2018 #212

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. yagotme Feb 2018 #220

Everything on your list I agree with MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #130

I don't have a problem with someone having a hunting rifle and maybe something for HOME defense if Hoyt Feb 2018 #133

"....and are irrationally paranoid." EX500rider Feb 2018 #144

Oh, give me a break -- most burglaries mean you aren't at home. That's very small odds, and yes if Hoyt Feb 2018 #145

A quarter million violent burglaries a year may sound like a small number to you. EX500rider Feb 2018 #146

If it were 200, you'd still arm up and tote. That is just a rationale. The vast majority of people Hoyt Feb 2018 #147

How exactly do you know who "totes"? Magic crystal ball? EX500rider Feb 2018 #149

is your pistol always loaded so it can be "ready" for your self defense? CTyankee Feb 2018 #172

My personal weapons in my house are really none of your business. EX500rider Feb 2018 #173

Fair enough. Just wondering as someone who lost a family member to a shooter who had no CTyankee Feb 2018 #174

Ok EX500rider Feb 2018 #176

See, the thing is that statistics don't mean shit to people who have a family member blown away. CTyankee Feb 2018 #181

I think the key factors are rate of fire and magazine capacity. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2018 #134

Ban them all except hunting rifles treestar Feb 2018 #138

I want more restrictions now, and more study by the CDC. Orsino Feb 2018 #148

Yes, the NRA needs to lose their power mvd Feb 2018 #186

Take whatever little you can get until after the next election. StTimofEdenRoc Feb 2018 #159

Ban all guns and have the NRA designated as a terrorist organization. jcmaine72 Feb 2018 #160

Every person should be allowed to have a musket. N/T KWR65 Feb 2018 #164

I like musketel wine too nolabels Feb 2018 #178

Ban every single fucking one of them!! gopiscrap Feb 2018 #166

allowed with HEAVY regulation Skittles Feb 2018 #169

Yes. A total gun ban would be in place for TWO YEARS. Hortensis Feb 2018 #175

I am a Quaker quaker bill Feb 2018 #177

Personally, with the exception of hunting rifles, l would be Enoki33 Feb 2018 #179

I'd like to ban all guns, BUT.. mvd Feb 2018 #180

You said you knew this would happen when u posted. backtoblue Feb 2018 #182

Awww, somebody rain on your parade? Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #188

Portable death machines freak me out, just like they should freak out ANY sane person. nt Binkie The Clown Feb 2018 #183

I'd ban all automatic weapons, not just semi-automatic. nt CozyMystery Feb 2018 #187

I'm in the heavily regulate camp hueymahl Feb 2018 #189

My Thoughts brettdale Feb 2018 #192

Every gun requires a license renewed yearly and requiring a background check. meadowlander Feb 2018 #193

Turn them all in, melt them all down samir.g Feb 2018 #194

Your list sounds sensible. Vinca Feb 2018 #199

Norm past what exist now because Im for realistic solutions thats work Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #201

I'm with you: shanny Feb 2018 #205

I'd start with outlawing ... GeorgeGist Feb 2018 #213

Ban everything and melt down the existing ones Awsi Dooger Feb 2018 #214

I would edit that to ban semi-automatic centerfire rifles. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #216