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In reply to the discussion: My INALIENABLE Rights TRUMP Your SECOND Amendment Rights. [View all]RC
(25,592 posts)102. The right to gun people down in the streets is not in the Constitution either.
And yet people with guns do it all the time! If someone's shot it leads @ 10:00 PM. And Almost every night here in Kansas City. Sometimes several someones.
Your toys, your fun, your fantasies do not take prescient over my safety, or my neighbors safety. Maybe you can't legislate "feeling safe", but we sure can make the rest of us actually safer, by dealing with your killing machines. Look at Canada for a nearby example.
Do U.S. Gun Laws Make All of North America Less Safe?
While a real conversation over gun control in the U.S. is a domestic nonstarter, neighboring countries end up suffering from lax American laws
Lost in the bluster and political gamesmanship is the fact that, whether Americans want to do something about the guns in their midst or not, their lax laws are hurting other countries, especially the neighbors to the north and south. Sure, Canada and Mexico are two vastly different polities, with different problems and with police forces in considerably different states of preparedness. But both countries can rightly point the finger at the U.S. for the prevalence of gun-related homicides on their side of the border.
(MORE: A Gun Owners Case Against Assault Weapons) http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/23/a-gunowners-case-against-assault-weapons/
Just this week, Canadian officials in Ontario convened what was dubbed the Summit of the Gun a reaction to a summer of shootings in Toronto, the countrys most populous city. While certain measures were passed to strengthen policing and improve community outreach, the elephant in the room was obvious. Canada is hardly a gun-free country, but its rates of civilian firearm ownership are dwarfed by those in the U.S., and the weapons its citizens do possess are far better monitored. Recent calls to ban handguns in places like Toronto, some argue, would do little to stem the flow of guns trafficked from the U.S. over the 8,000-km, thinly patrolled boundary.
The fact of the matter is, said Ontarios provincial premier, Dalton McGuinty, most of the guns that end up in the hands of young criminals are illegal guns, and theyre coming from south of the border. His comments followed a meeting with Conservative Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper on the matter. An editorial in The Globe and Mail tut-tutted at what it deemed U.S. intransigence in the face of an obvious truth: The stubborn [American] refusal to link the worldwide availability of American-supplied semiautomatic weapons, accessories and ammunition to tragedy after tragedy is a black mark.
http://world.time.com/2012/07/25/how-u-s-gun-laws-make-all-of-north-america-less-safe/
While a real conversation over gun control in the U.S. is a domestic nonstarter, neighboring countries end up suffering from lax American laws
Lost in the bluster and political gamesmanship is the fact that, whether Americans want to do something about the guns in their midst or not, their lax laws are hurting other countries, especially the neighbors to the north and south. Sure, Canada and Mexico are two vastly different polities, with different problems and with police forces in considerably different states of preparedness. But both countries can rightly point the finger at the U.S. for the prevalence of gun-related homicides on their side of the border.
(MORE: A Gun Owners Case Against Assault Weapons) http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/23/a-gunowners-case-against-assault-weapons/
Just this week, Canadian officials in Ontario convened what was dubbed the Summit of the Gun a reaction to a summer of shootings in Toronto, the countrys most populous city. While certain measures were passed to strengthen policing and improve community outreach, the elephant in the room was obvious. Canada is hardly a gun-free country, but its rates of civilian firearm ownership are dwarfed by those in the U.S., and the weapons its citizens do possess are far better monitored. Recent calls to ban handguns in places like Toronto, some argue, would do little to stem the flow of guns trafficked from the U.S. over the 8,000-km, thinly patrolled boundary.
The fact of the matter is, said Ontarios provincial premier, Dalton McGuinty, most of the guns that end up in the hands of young criminals are illegal guns, and theyre coming from south of the border. His comments followed a meeting with Conservative Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper on the matter. An editorial in The Globe and Mail tut-tutted at what it deemed U.S. intransigence in the face of an obvious truth: The stubborn [American] refusal to link the worldwide availability of American-supplied semiautomatic weapons, accessories and ammunition to tragedy after tragedy is a black mark.
http://world.time.com/2012/07/25/how-u-s-gun-laws-make-all-of-north-america-less-safe/
A Gun Owners Case Against Assault Weapons
I own guns shotguns and rifles and I hunt quail. I dont want to give up my guns. But I know this: there isnt the remotest chance under the sun that I will have to. And I know this too: the kind of assault rifle used in the Aurora massacre an AR-15, which is essentially a civilian version of the militarys M-16 has no sporting purpose save playacting, in which the shooter is in some kind of combat situation. You dont need an AR-15 to hunt, and you certainly dont need the high-capacity magazine that was reportedly used even if your interest is target shooting on a range.
http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/23/a-gunowners-case-against-assault-weapons/
I own guns shotguns and rifles and I hunt quail. I dont want to give up my guns. But I know this: there isnt the remotest chance under the sun that I will have to. And I know this too: the kind of assault rifle used in the Aurora massacre an AR-15, which is essentially a civilian version of the militarys M-16 has no sporting purpose save playacting, in which the shooter is in some kind of combat situation. You dont need an AR-15 to hunt, and you certainly dont need the high-capacity magazine that was reportedly used even if your interest is target shooting on a range.
http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/23/a-gunowners-case-against-assault-weapons/
Make no mistake the rest of us are fed up with you idea of fun and recreation.
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Should we take away everyone's cars because a few idiots drive drunk and kill people?
LAGC
Jul 2012
#4
ok, great! You support the death penalty too! It's nice to not feel alone..... but....
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2012
#212
I thought I was replying to the poster below you, "lastlib" who said..
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2012
#289
Isn't this the same mentality that gave us the patriot act, DHS, TSA screeners and the like?
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#146
Well said. Generally speaking "reasonable" gun control to folks like the OP mean take ALL the guns
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#291
The only "false equivilency" is that there is no right to own a car in the Constitution.
LAGC
Jul 2012
#36
only if youre part of a militia which we dont have so there goes the 2nd amendmnt and your
leftyohiolib
Jul 2012
#61
Read that again, because it presupposes the ability to REGULATE your precious
nadinbrzezinski
Jul 2012
#188
I'll bet I'm better regulated than you. One thing I learned from Vietnam...
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#201
The problem with universal background checks is that it is de facto registration.
LAGC
Jul 2012
#205
Wrong! The primary purpose of guns is to punch holes in living things, including humans.
RC
Jul 2012
#279
Well, all of the guns I've ever owned in my life, and those of most everyone I know must all be
LAGC
Jul 2012
#281
the 2nd admendment gives every single AMERICAN the right to own and bear arms
tiny elvis
Jul 2012
#59
Yet, 100% background checks are popular except iwth the precsious crowd
nadinbrzezinski
Jul 2012
#199
No right in the constituion is free and clear of regulations and limits
nadinbrzezinski
Jul 2012
#195
good try - and perhaps you think it is your inalienable right - but way off base
DrDan
Jul 2012
#160
insurance, registration, strict controls, enforcement, age limits, learners permits, inspections
DrDan
Jul 2012
#15
"...about 30K people die annually from gun violence in the U.S."??? Here's a link showing fewer
Petrushka
Jul 2012
#93
When you said, "gun violence ", I took for granted that you meant murder. In any case . . .
Petrushka
Jul 2012
#149
Sorry I asked a question. My bad! But . . . thanks again for the link, nonetheless.
Petrushka
Jul 2012
#273
you have to change the constitution to allow non- militia people to carry guns
leftyohiolib
Jul 2012
#63
So you feel that you forfeit you right to life when you enter a place that doesn't allow guns?
Orrex
Jul 2012
#90
Concentration camps???? So we're getting our talking points from Joe the Plumber now? nt
DanTex
Jul 2012
#119
Umm, the majority of Democrats don't think that gun control had anything to do with the holocaust.
DanTex
Jul 2012
#312
And watch the smug punks come out of their dark corners to rub you face in the
geckosfeet
Jul 2012
#19
You can own as many guns as you want; I can regulate the heck out of the bullets then.
IdaBriggs
Jul 2012
#85
Leaving aside the fact you can't actually do any of those things, let's pretend you could
dmallind
Jul 2012
#148
So what other hobbyists are responsible for making it safe for others around them?
LAGC
Jul 2012
#42
What are you doing to ensure OTHER pool owners are taking the same responsibility?
Marengo
Jul 2012
#267
IMO reducing stolen firearms would reduce law enforcement and emergency medical costs
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#198
that's right cause your ar15 is going to fend off the govrmnt if they come after you
leftyohiolib
Jul 2012
#58
KNR...the gun aficionados don't seem to realize it's called the Bill of RightS
joeybee12
Jul 2012
#55
Excellent OP IdaBriggs, and same for your subsequent posts. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
secondwind
Jul 2012
#60
Read the thread: Tens of Millions drive, and receive a benefit from get benefit.
IdaBriggs
Jul 2012
#126
You say you're done arguing so I won't bother refuting your claims
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#117
The "arguing" was over whether random gun violence was a new, acceptable norm.
IdaBriggs
Jul 2012
#121
Please see reply #137 - I haven't overlooked the content of your OP, but I consider it proper...
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#157
So show me where in the US system of justice, inalienable rights trump enumerated rights.
hack89
Jul 2012
#162
Didn't the British soldiers who fought on this side of the pond have the same "inalienable rights"?
Petrushka
Jul 2012
#269
Actually, only members of the organized components of the militia e.g. National Guard wear uniforms.
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#184
Nobody is more blind to a hypocrite's logical inconsistencies than the hypocrite himself or herself
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#187
Not well for them but it led to a law to prevent that from happening to gun manufacturers.
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#240
Big Tobacco was done in because the contemplated and LAWFUL use of their product caused harm.
badtoworse
Jul 2012
#242
The phase "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" appears in the Declaration of
Synicus Maximus
Jul 2012
#235
Amen! People who own guns, EACH OF YOU are personally responsible for the actions
hughee99
Jul 2012
#258