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121. Why not engage on the issues instead of trying to assign motives to anonymous internet posters?

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How do I distinguish between an anti-Democratic Party Democrat and Russian trolls? [View all] Cary Mar 2018 OP

What is an anti-Democratic Party Democrat? Abnredleg Mar 2018 #1

Well, ya' know, there us that One True Way that ALL real Democrats believe, and so, yeah, Atticus Mar 2018 #7

Why change the subject to me? Cary Mar 2018 #8

No - just seeking clarity Abnredleg Mar 2018 #11

So it's my fault that you can't have "an open discussion?" Cary Mar 2018 #20

Say someone who claims to be a Democrat who say they believe that taxes on fire arms,.... marble falls Mar 2018 #21

Those are all legal under the 2nd Admendment Abnredleg Mar 2018 #25

Many times it does. Most of us lurk here a long time before posting...so if you see a low count Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #31

I joined in 2012 Abnredleg Mar 2018 #36

I wasn't even thinking about you...I don't even remember what you posted. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #209

Really? StuckInTexas Mar 2018 #42

It has been my experience that such poster are not here long...I always give Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #48

If "sowing discord" and "creating division" is what Ruskbots do, it is being Fred Sanders Mar 2018 #52

What does this even mean? Abnredleg Mar 2018 #72

I got his/her meaning right off Cary Mar 2018 #123

Because I'm not paranoid? Abnredleg Mar 2018 #150

So now you're trying to tell me that I'm paranoid Cary Mar 2018 #167

Look at it from my point of view Abnredleg Mar 2018 #177

If you ask me you shouldn't worry about it ever Cary Mar 2018 #182

Show me where I attacked Democrats Abnredleg Mar 2018 #184

Which part of "if" don't you understand? Cary Mar 2018 #190

Im afraid you lost me Abnredleg Mar 2018 #203

That's a reasonable metric -- not perfect KPN Mar 2018 #155

I agree. I try to be fair. We want new people after all. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #208

Surrendering may be a policy, but it is not effective. Funny how the conversation keeps coming .... marble falls Mar 2018 #45

I am not advocating surrender Abnredleg Mar 2018 #46

At least 80% of Americans want guntrol and specifically weapons like the AR-15... marble falls Mar 2018 #69

I live in North Carolina Abnredleg Mar 2018 #73

No, Theres No 2nd Amendment Right To AR-15s The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC Gothmog Mar 2018 #145

What I meant was the restrictions cited were consititutional Abnredleg Mar 2018 #152

Go check out the JPR website and you see some good examples of the posters being discussed Gothmog Mar 2018 #146

As someone who sometimes criticizes KPN Mar 2018 #156

There are also posters on JPR who love Russia and Putin Gothmog Mar 2018 #205

A Democrat who spends more time criticizing the Democratic Party, lapucelle Mar 2018 #159

People who claim to be Democrats but never treestar Mar 2018 #67

isn't it possible hfojvt Mar 2018 #68

I didn't say that, but it seems more and more treestar Mar 2018 #79

it can be easier to see the negative than the positive hfojvt Mar 2018 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Mar 2018 #162

Problem is lazy, negative, lazy, negligent citizens. Hortensis Mar 2018 #186

You were mad at Obama for the seatbelt law.Geez. Well, children's lives have been saved by that law, pnwmom Mar 2018 #82

then by all means hfojvt Mar 2018 #109

Big Brother would have to pay the medical bills of anyone with Federal medical benefits pnwmom Mar 2018 #174

I wonder what percentage Amsterdammer Mar 2018 #131

My state has a motorcycle hemet law. lapucelle Mar 2018 #165

I never see a motorcyclist without a helmet. Maybe they're required here. pnwmom Mar 2018 #172

My state (FL of course) made it optional under JEB! mcar Mar 2018 #194

Not usually, no. We eventually find out that many such folks go to great lengths to attack the party stevenleser Mar 2018 #140

Strawman ehrnst Mar 2018 #144

You're going after seat belt laws? Really? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #189

You are against seatbelt laws? Seriously? mcar Mar 2018 #195

The problem with that standard Abnredleg Mar 2018 #70

And those who claim the woman who got 3.5M more votes than Trump TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #81

And then, on top of that, lashes out at anyone who dares to defend Democrats. Cary Mar 2018 #124

Maybe like that son of a certain non-Dem who mouths repug talking points. brush Mar 2018 #76

Im sorry Abnredleg Mar 2018 #78

Do a DU search for Levi Sanders posts brush Mar 2018 #90

Well, it's a Democrat who criticizes other Democrats more than Republicans. pnwmom Mar 2018 #80

True. Cary Mar 2018 #125

That is a good standard treestar Mar 2018 #158

A Democrat who spends more time criticizing the Democratic Party, lapucelle Mar 2018 #126

Good question! KPN Mar 2018 #153

I'll bite DonCoquixote Mar 2018 #181

An anti- democratic is not a democrat by definition. TexasProgresive Mar 2018 #2

:) The locals are the usual scummy suspects, around since 1776. Hortensis Mar 2018 #87

I agree, but not with the term anti-Democratic party Democrat. TexasProgresive Mar 2018 #88

Of course you can. :) Remember last November 6, Hortensis Mar 2018 #89

I have many complaints I could levy against the Democratic Party... TCJ70 Mar 2018 #3

I have to wonder why people who dislike the party are Democrats. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #49

In a two party system we have to choose the closet option to what we want... TCJ70 Mar 2018 #56

No party is perfect consider that the Democratic Party does best when it has a 50 state strategy. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #65

Thats just silly KTM Mar 2018 #57

If I were unhappy, I would get involved and try to change that which I dislike...and I except in any Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #66

Why would a Democrat be anti Democratic party? mcar Mar 2018 #4

Right Cary Mar 2018 #5

It's certainly legitimate for Democrats to be critical of the party, mcar Mar 2018 #13

Take Susan Sarandon as an example Cary Mar 2018 #18

She is no Democrat mcar Mar 2018 #30

neither is Levi Sanders BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #61

I agree mcar Mar 2018 #74

Agreed Gothmog Mar 2018 #147

Calling out b.s. needn't include accusations. nocalflea Mar 2018 #6

But then you get the... Cary Mar 2018 #10

I don't care what others say in this scenario. nocalflea Mar 2018 #19

Where did I say anything about hurling accusations? Cary Mar 2018 #23

"I can criticize Democrats and still not be a Russia troll" nocalflea Mar 2018 #34

"I can criticize Democrats and still not be a Russia troll"...or a uselful idiot in 2018 & 2020? BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #62

Then, by all means, let's all continue calling out b.s. and promoting lapucelle Mar 2018 #166

And... Cary Mar 2018 #15

They have the same goal...destruction of the Democratic Party...the reasons may be different. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #9

So does this mean that I should lump them together? Cary Mar 2018 #12

You seem to want clarity and specific definitions about that which by its very nature LanternWaste Mar 2018 #22

Not really. Cary Mar 2018 #24

My thought as well. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #28

I think so. We support Democrats on this site...neither of this sort do. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #32

If they hate our party Abnredleg Mar 2018 #14

I tend to agree Cary Mar 2018 #16

There are many, especially young voters, who support traditional Dem values and policies, Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #129

Then they need to grow up. The reality is, the moment you have a group of people trying to decide stevenleser Mar 2018 #132

You don't equate all critique as being ANTI, do you? Beartracks Mar 2018 #107

Did I suggest that criticism shouldn't be tolerated? Cary Mar 2018 #115

I wasn't assuming. Just clarifying. Beartracks Mar 2018 #120

There is nothing illegal, unethical, or immoral in being vague Cary Mar 2018 #127

I don't think that trying to fully understand someone's viewpoint and also checking that you're xor Mar 2018 #179

I lulz'd KG Mar 2018 #17

Yep ornotna Mar 2018 #133

The problem lies in how people perceive and use politics ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #26

Don't forget the fallback when they can find nothing else...Democrats are not messaging Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #33

Oh yeah ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #37

If.I had a nickle for every time I heard that canard... Cary Mar 2018 #128

Give me the name or link of the person you are trying to distinguish.... NCTraveler Mar 2018 #27

We get them on MIRT every day. Cary Mar 2018 #84

Thank you for following up with that. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #86

This is the very definition of a witch hunt. alarimer Mar 2018 #29

The Democratic party is our only means to stop Trump and Republicans. The Russians attacked Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #38

Your history is a bit weak zipplewrath Mar 2018 #53

🎯"their responses are, well, non-responsive to the discussion " nocalflea Mar 2018 #112

I love the circular references zipplewrath Mar 2018 #113

What a miserable corrupt existence, to deceive others. nocalflea Mar 2018 #117

I see. Cary Mar 2018 #85

Nope, it would be if we didn't have documented situations of Russian trolls interfering in our stevenleser Mar 2018 #143

The Russian trolls sarisataka Mar 2018 #35

So now we can spot them...hahah. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #50

When someone attacks and smears and insults Democrats, then feigns innocence (eg: "who-meee?") NurseJackie Mar 2018 #39

They have an odd obsession with... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #40

Interesting post you have here, Cary..... democrank Mar 2018 #41

If I have learned anything it is that there are all kinds. Cary Mar 2018 #43

At the ballot box. n/t Orsino Mar 2018 #44

First, there are no anti democratic party democrats. There are democrats who love their party or JCanete Mar 2018 #47

but the bottom line is who wins. And expecting purity...like don't take Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #51

no, and I wish you'd quit that characterization of our current situation, especially since you are JCanete Mar 2018 #55

There will be other years. Right now we are in the fight of our lives so primarying isn't a good Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #58

Not plain stupid. We lose nothing for it. You haven't proven that there will be other years where JCanete Mar 2018 #59

So losing the WV seat is a good thing? A primary is more important than winning? We will lose the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #63

No goddammit, losing a seat isn't a good thing. Losing battles isn't a good thing. Sometimes you JCanete Mar 2018 #75

So maybe if Manchin loses because of this primary, down the road it will lead to better things...I Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #91

point is, if we get on board the right message, maybe we win some other down ballot races too, this JCanete Mar 2018 #92

A progressive message will not win in West Virginia or Indiana ... or a number of states. I hear you Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #93

I hope you're wrong, because if your assesment is right and mine is wrong, there is no coming back. JCanete Mar 2018 #94

I hope I am wrong and you are correct also. It would be wonderful... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #95

you are always a very respectful and measured debater, moreso than myself, and that is appreciated. JCanete Mar 2018 #108

I have no complaints about your debate skills and you always have something substative to say. I Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #111

Sure there are anti democratic party Democrats. Just go to JPR and you will see them. stevenleser Mar 2018 #135

I go to the JPR site to read what Russia and Putin are pushing Gothmog Mar 2018 #149

explain to me how dissatisfacdtion with your party makes you anti your JCanete Mar 2018 #164

Ask the kids whether the kid who took his ball and went home is anti the group. This isnt hard. stevenleser Mar 2018 #173

Is the kid who took his ball home a democrat? He may have been a JCanete Mar 2018 #176

You need them to vote for Democratic candidates. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #54

both are counterproductive to strengthening Dems. You don't need either of them for anything. BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #60

At the appearance of the word "establishment" I put them in the same binder. Done. betsuni Mar 2018 #64

Or "status quo"... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #71

Judging from the JPR posts, there is a great deal of overlap if not total overlap Gothmog Mar 2018 #77

Ain't that the truth? Cary Mar 2018 #83

Yep, and to answer the question in your OP, it doesn't really make a difference. Ultimately... stevenleser Mar 2018 #136

No doubt Cary Mar 2018 #139

I suppose we all have different ideas of what a troll is melman Mar 2018 #96

Yes, someone exactly like that was FFR the other day. betsuni Mar 2018 #97

Your point? melman Mar 2018 #98

... betsuni Mar 2018 #99

So, no point then melman Mar 2018 #100

Jog on, jog on, the footpath way, betsuni Mar 2018 #105

People like that are indeed getting FFR, and banned Cary Mar 2018 #102

Yes and passive aggressive is the most trollish of trolls Cary Mar 2018 #101

+1010100 stevenleser Mar 2018 #138

Whats the differents Soxfan58 Mar 2018 #103

Guess we need a secret signal. Vinca Mar 2018 #104

The Democratic Party is a "big tent" left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #106

None of that pertains to what I refer to. Cary Mar 2018 #114

Yeah, it does left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #116

You start out telling me what I refer to... Cary Mar 2018 #118

Again, who is or are the "anti-Democratic Democrats"? left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #119

Why not engage on the issues instead of trying to assign motives to anonymous internet posters? meadowlander Mar 2018 #121

Because it is pointless to engage people who have no intention of being engaged. stevenleser Mar 2018 #137

But you're not just engaging them. meadowlander Mar 2018 #148

Russian trolls are an issue Cary Mar 2018 #122

There are two groups, rabble rousing types who are very much against Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #151

As you know, Elliot, I am a purveyor of Occam's Razor Cary Mar 2018 #170

oh really? just those two huh? wonderful. Thank you for being so enlightening JCanete Mar 2018 #193

I said rabble rouser, I think, not asshole. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #197

and we have entirely different persepectives on how that is actually JCanete Mar 2018 #198

You could take it down a few notches Cary Mar 2018 #199

you think nothing about your language is aggessive. JCanete Mar 2018 #201

There is a lot of defensiveness mcar Mar 2018 #196

Indeed Cary Mar 2018 #200

I've noticed most Russian Trolls will attack posts that defame their beloved leader, Putin Farmer-Rick Mar 2018 #130

Some are not Russian trolls and are indeed stupidly unaware Cary Mar 2018 #142

Yes, the stupid in some is so strong that you have to just shake your head and walk away. Farmer-Rick Mar 2018 #180

And the beat goes on ornotna Mar 2018 #134

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #141

It can be difficult. ehrnst Mar 2018 #154

We need a super duper, top secret, double fingers crossed group to tell us who to vote for. jalan48 Mar 2018 #157

I prefer to decide for myself left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #161

I would just say a couple of things: (1) that there's probably no KPN Mar 2018 #160

I am closed minded Cary Mar 2018 #168

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #185

KPN, an anti-Democrat is just that. They can be Hortensis Mar 2018 #187

As we have seen. ehrnst Mar 2018 #188

:) Rob Porter probably sees his verbal abuse Hortensis Mar 2018 #192

The "both sides do it" line really pisses me off also Gothmog Mar 2018 #206

How would you describe Levi Sanders? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #191

There are many Democrats who should revisit our 2016 platform lapucelle Mar 2018 #202

It is very easy jmowreader Mar 2018 #163

Love it! Cary Mar 2018 #171

Study this thread hexola Mar 2018 #169

Try being... Alea Mar 2018 #175

This can be a tough place Cary Mar 2018 #183

You can't. WheelWalker Mar 2018 #178

Check the source IP address DBoon Mar 2018 #204

Anti-Democratic Party Democrat is an oxymoron. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #207

I have wondered the same thing EricMaundry Mar 2018 #210