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grumpyduck

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38. Re: several posts above about our military
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 04:24 PM
Mar 2018

Last edited Sat Mar 3, 2018, 05:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Over the past couple of weeks, I've been watching a series on Netflix, Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States. It starts right around WWI and then moves on to WWII and up to the present. And one of the themes it keeps coming back to is that every president since FDR (both Dems and Reps) has pushed the idea of our military being ginormous and how it needs to be to protect us. But the reality is that as a result we have indulged (my word, not Oliver's) in imperialism and wars all over the world. Now and then Oliver points to what Eisenhower called the "military-industrial complex:" huge companies pushing arms sales in order to profit, kinda like Krupp in Germany many years ago. I'm sure I missed a lot, so I'm going to watch it again; it has really inspired me to read more US history, which I though was booooring in HS and college.

But we need to remember that our military only does what it's told. Sure some generals and admirals have been hawks (and some have been incompetent hawks), but, in general, they have to follow the direction given by the administration.

As far as the OP, I served in the military during the early 70s, and I had a number of friends who kept busting on me for being in the military. "How can you support this war?" and similar stuff. And I kept reminding them that I didn't support the war: I supported the country, and that the country I supported would be around long after Nixon and his crowd had rotted to dust in hell. So yeah, I stand for the anthem, and it's okay by me if the people next to me choose not to.

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My National Anthem SCantiGOP Mar 2018 #1
Lawdy mama, light my fuse! BBG Mar 2018 #4
Yes. Its the anthem of the nation I call home. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #2
+1 onenote Mar 2018 #17
Yes it is OUR national anthem - not a "Tribute To The Military" hexola Mar 2018 #3
Our nation's image laserhaas Mar 2018 #6
Too militaristic for me too BBG Mar 2018 #5
Kudos to you. They called me unpatriotic for saying no laserhaas Mar 2018 #7
Living in the Blue Bubble, I am BBG Mar 2018 #9
My Twitter handle is Laser_the_Lone_Wolf laserhaas Mar 2018 #20
Right on brother rat! BBG Mar 2018 #34
Nothing wrong with our national anthem at all. stevenleser Mar 2018 #8
Yeah, because it does not have "God" in it. A country has a military. It has no state religion. McCamy Taylor Mar 2018 #10
Not to take nothing away from Service personnel laserhaas Mar 2018 #14
Our military has been used as a bully BBG Mar 2018 #36
Regarding the protected free speech issue of "I don't have to stand up for it" McCamy Taylor Mar 2018 #11
Again..with deepest respect for Service personnel ..We all laserhaas Mar 2018 #22
"this land is your land onethatcares Mar 2018 #12
It is...for sure laserhaas Mar 2018 #23
Yes, that would be a better anthem meadowlander Mar 2018 #24
IOLANTHE pangaia Mar 2018 #35
Hail Columbia was the unofficial national anthem for long time LeftInTX Mar 2018 #13
Words without honor laserhaas Mar 2018 #25
Ever since Woodstock lame54 Mar 2018 #15
Was there....running errands for change laserhaas Mar 2018 #26
Free Bird maveric Mar 2018 #16
Your premise is bullshit as is your posture on this point. This whole post is bullshit Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #18
So, go crawl under a desk when nukes start flying laserhaas Mar 2018 #19
Nukes are going to start flying because of our National Anthem? Alea Mar 2018 #29
Not our anthem. But similar mentalities laserhaas Mar 2018 #30
The anthem celebrates our stuggle to defeat a hostile lapucelle Mar 2018 #42
Thanks for posting that grumpyduck Mar 2018 #43
The entire song is about the symbolism of the flag over Fort McHenry. lapucelle Mar 2018 #44
Was are you on about? Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #40
Just looking out for their "individual freedom" ya know... hexola Mar 2018 #37
I'm partial to The Humpty Dance. NightWatcher Mar 2018 #21
Ha Ha laserhaas Mar 2018 #31
Yes. Orsino Mar 2018 #27
Profound Orsino laserhaas Mar 2018 #28
Mind you, I'm not exempting myself. Orsino Mar 2018 #45
Ask me that, after trump is removed from office. (nt) Paladin Mar 2018 #32
Yes, definitely oberliner Mar 2018 #33
When Someone Sings It At The Right Tempo Let Me Know ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #46
Re: several posts above about our military grumpyduck Mar 2018 #38
One Other Interesting Note, Grumpy ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #47
Where the heck were you grumpyduck Mar 2018 #49
Ducking For Cover? ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #54
A quote from Eleanor Roosevelt grumpyduck Mar 2018 #55
I Was Kidding ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #56
Take note - it is often performed/played without vocal hexola Mar 2018 #39
-1 Mosby Mar 2018 #41
I always liked Gail & Dale On The Laurence Welk Show performing a "modern" spiritual... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #48
Toking....?? laserhaas Mar 2018 #50
I'm just being playful. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #51
The notion that Walk - toked laserhaas Mar 2018 #52
Wunnerful, wunnerful! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #58
Yeah pretty much el_bryanto Mar 2018 #53
I don't like it but my reasoning might be different Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #57
Right, so the kids are listening to the music, grumpyduck Mar 2018 #59
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