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pnwmom

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172. I never see a motorcyclist without a helmet. Maybe they're required here.

Sat Mar 3, 2018, 04:24 PM

Mar 2018

I do know that the government had a study for years, involving survey takers out on the roads, to determine how many people were wearing seat belts as they drove. So they knew what the percentage of use was in each state, how the death rate and use rate compared in the states, and how much improvement there was after the law went into effect (a significant improvement). And lives were saved.

But it was done scientifically. They didn't just decide on a hunch that seat belt use would save lives. They had data before they passed the law.

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How do I distinguish between an anti-Democratic Party Democrat and Russian trolls? [View all] Cary Mar 2018 OP

What is an anti-Democratic Party Democrat? Abnredleg Mar 2018 #1

Well, ya' know, there us that One True Way that ALL real Democrats believe, and so, yeah, Atticus Mar 2018 #7

Why change the subject to me? Cary Mar 2018 #8

No - just seeking clarity Abnredleg Mar 2018 #11

So it's my fault that you can't have "an open discussion?" Cary Mar 2018 #20

Say someone who claims to be a Democrat who say they believe that taxes on fire arms,.... marble falls Mar 2018 #21

Those are all legal under the 2nd Admendment Abnredleg Mar 2018 #25

Many times it does. Most of us lurk here a long time before posting...so if you see a low count Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #31

I joined in 2012 Abnredleg Mar 2018 #36

I wasn't even thinking about you...I don't even remember what you posted. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #209

Really? StuckInTexas Mar 2018 #42

It has been my experience that such poster are not here long...I always give Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #48

If "sowing discord" and "creating division" is what Ruskbots do, it is being Fred Sanders Mar 2018 #52

What does this even mean? Abnredleg Mar 2018 #72

I got his/her meaning right off Cary Mar 2018 #123

Because I'm not paranoid? Abnredleg Mar 2018 #150

So now you're trying to tell me that I'm paranoid Cary Mar 2018 #167

Look at it from my point of view Abnredleg Mar 2018 #177

If you ask me you shouldn't worry about it ever Cary Mar 2018 #182

Show me where I attacked Democrats Abnredleg Mar 2018 #184

Which part of "if" don't you understand? Cary Mar 2018 #190

Im afraid you lost me Abnredleg Mar 2018 #203

That's a reasonable metric -- not perfect KPN Mar 2018 #155

I agree. I try to be fair. We want new people after all. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #208

Surrendering may be a policy, but it is not effective. Funny how the conversation keeps coming .... marble falls Mar 2018 #45

I am not advocating surrender Abnredleg Mar 2018 #46

At least 80% of Americans want guntrol and specifically weapons like the AR-15... marble falls Mar 2018 #69

I live in North Carolina Abnredleg Mar 2018 #73

No, Theres No 2nd Amendment Right To AR-15s The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC Gothmog Mar 2018 #145

What I meant was the restrictions cited were consititutional Abnredleg Mar 2018 #152

Go check out the JPR website and you see some good examples of the posters being discussed Gothmog Mar 2018 #146

As someone who sometimes criticizes KPN Mar 2018 #156

There are also posters on JPR who love Russia and Putin Gothmog Mar 2018 #205

A Democrat who spends more time criticizing the Democratic Party, lapucelle Mar 2018 #159

People who claim to be Democrats but never treestar Mar 2018 #67

isn't it possible hfojvt Mar 2018 #68

I didn't say that, but it seems more and more treestar Mar 2018 #79

it can be easier to see the negative than the positive hfojvt Mar 2018 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Mar 2018 #162

Problem is lazy, negative, lazy, negligent citizens. Hortensis Mar 2018 #186

You were mad at Obama for the seatbelt law.Geez. Well, children's lives have been saved by that law, pnwmom Mar 2018 #82

then by all means hfojvt Mar 2018 #109

Big Brother would have to pay the medical bills of anyone with Federal medical benefits pnwmom Mar 2018 #174

I wonder what percentage Amsterdammer Mar 2018 #131

My state has a motorcycle hemet law. lapucelle Mar 2018 #165

I never see a motorcyclist without a helmet. Maybe they're required here. pnwmom Mar 2018 #172

My state (FL of course) made it optional under JEB! mcar Mar 2018 #194

Not usually, no. We eventually find out that many such folks go to great lengths to attack the party stevenleser Mar 2018 #140

Strawman ehrnst Mar 2018 #144

You're going after seat belt laws? Really? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #189

You are against seatbelt laws? Seriously? mcar Mar 2018 #195

The problem with that standard Abnredleg Mar 2018 #70

And those who claim the woman who got 3.5M more votes than Trump TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #81

And then, on top of that, lashes out at anyone who dares to defend Democrats. Cary Mar 2018 #124

Maybe like that son of a certain non-Dem who mouths repug talking points. brush Mar 2018 #76

Im sorry Abnredleg Mar 2018 #78

Do a DU search for Levi Sanders posts brush Mar 2018 #90

Well, it's a Democrat who criticizes other Democrats more than Republicans. pnwmom Mar 2018 #80

True. Cary Mar 2018 #125

That is a good standard treestar Mar 2018 #158

A Democrat who spends more time criticizing the Democratic Party, lapucelle Mar 2018 #126

Good question! KPN Mar 2018 #153

I'll bite DonCoquixote Mar 2018 #181

An anti- democratic is not a democrat by definition. TexasProgresive Mar 2018 #2

:) The locals are the usual scummy suspects, around since 1776. Hortensis Mar 2018 #87

I agree, but not with the term anti-Democratic party Democrat. TexasProgresive Mar 2018 #88

Of course you can. :) Remember last November 6, Hortensis Mar 2018 #89

I have many complaints I could levy against the Democratic Party... TCJ70 Mar 2018 #3

I have to wonder why people who dislike the party are Democrats. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #49

In a two party system we have to choose the closet option to what we want... TCJ70 Mar 2018 #56

No party is perfect consider that the Democratic Party does best when it has a 50 state strategy. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #65

Thats just silly KTM Mar 2018 #57

If I were unhappy, I would get involved and try to change that which I dislike...and I except in any Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #66

Why would a Democrat be anti Democratic party? mcar Mar 2018 #4

Right Cary Mar 2018 #5

It's certainly legitimate for Democrats to be critical of the party, mcar Mar 2018 #13

Take Susan Sarandon as an example Cary Mar 2018 #18

She is no Democrat mcar Mar 2018 #30

neither is Levi Sanders BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #61

I agree mcar Mar 2018 #74

Agreed Gothmog Mar 2018 #147

Calling out b.s. needn't include accusations. nocalflea Mar 2018 #6

But then you get the... Cary Mar 2018 #10

I don't care what others say in this scenario. nocalflea Mar 2018 #19

Where did I say anything about hurling accusations? Cary Mar 2018 #23

"I can criticize Democrats and still not be a Russia troll" nocalflea Mar 2018 #34

"I can criticize Democrats and still not be a Russia troll"...or a uselful idiot in 2018 & 2020? BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #62

Then, by all means, let's all continue calling out b.s. and promoting lapucelle Mar 2018 #166

And... Cary Mar 2018 #15

They have the same goal...destruction of the Democratic Party...the reasons may be different. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #9

So does this mean that I should lump them together? Cary Mar 2018 #12

You seem to want clarity and specific definitions about that which by its very nature LanternWaste Mar 2018 #22

Not really. Cary Mar 2018 #24

My thought as well. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #28

I think so. We support Democrats on this site...neither of this sort do. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #32

If they hate our party Abnredleg Mar 2018 #14

I tend to agree Cary Mar 2018 #16

There are many, especially young voters, who support traditional Dem values and policies, Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #129

Then they need to grow up. The reality is, the moment you have a group of people trying to decide stevenleser Mar 2018 #132

You don't equate all critique as being ANTI, do you? Beartracks Mar 2018 #107

Did I suggest that criticism shouldn't be tolerated? Cary Mar 2018 #115

I wasn't assuming. Just clarifying. Beartracks Mar 2018 #120

There is nothing illegal, unethical, or immoral in being vague Cary Mar 2018 #127

I don't think that trying to fully understand someone's viewpoint and also checking that you're xor Mar 2018 #179

I lulz'd KG Mar 2018 #17

Yep ornotna Mar 2018 #133

The problem lies in how people perceive and use politics ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #26

Don't forget the fallback when they can find nothing else...Democrats are not messaging Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #33

Oh yeah ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #37

If.I had a nickle for every time I heard that canard... Cary Mar 2018 #128

Give me the name or link of the person you are trying to distinguish.... NCTraveler Mar 2018 #27

We get them on MIRT every day. Cary Mar 2018 #84

Thank you for following up with that. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #86

This is the very definition of a witch hunt. alarimer Mar 2018 #29

The Democratic party is our only means to stop Trump and Republicans. The Russians attacked Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #38

Your history is a bit weak zipplewrath Mar 2018 #53

🎯"their responses are, well, non-responsive to the discussion " nocalflea Mar 2018 #112

I love the circular references zipplewrath Mar 2018 #113

What a miserable corrupt existence, to deceive others. nocalflea Mar 2018 #117

I see. Cary Mar 2018 #85

Nope, it would be if we didn't have documented situations of Russian trolls interfering in our stevenleser Mar 2018 #143

The Russian trolls sarisataka Mar 2018 #35

So now we can spot them...hahah. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #50

When someone attacks and smears and insults Democrats, then feigns innocence (eg: "who-meee?") NurseJackie Mar 2018 #39

They have an odd obsession with... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #40

Interesting post you have here, Cary..... democrank Mar 2018 #41

If I have learned anything it is that there are all kinds. Cary Mar 2018 #43

At the ballot box. n/t Orsino Mar 2018 #44

First, there are no anti democratic party democrats. There are democrats who love their party or JCanete Mar 2018 #47

but the bottom line is who wins. And expecting purity...like don't take Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #51

no, and I wish you'd quit that characterization of our current situation, especially since you are JCanete Mar 2018 #55

There will be other years. Right now we are in the fight of our lives so primarying isn't a good Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #58

Not plain stupid. We lose nothing for it. You haven't proven that there will be other years where JCanete Mar 2018 #59

So losing the WV seat is a good thing? A primary is more important than winning? We will lose the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #63

No goddammit, losing a seat isn't a good thing. Losing battles isn't a good thing. Sometimes you JCanete Mar 2018 #75

So maybe if Manchin loses because of this primary, down the road it will lead to better things...I Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #91

point is, if we get on board the right message, maybe we win some other down ballot races too, this JCanete Mar 2018 #92

A progressive message will not win in West Virginia or Indiana ... or a number of states. I hear you Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #93

I hope you're wrong, because if your assesment is right and mine is wrong, there is no coming back. JCanete Mar 2018 #94

I hope I am wrong and you are correct also. It would be wonderful... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #95

you are always a very respectful and measured debater, moreso than myself, and that is appreciated. JCanete Mar 2018 #108

I have no complaints about your debate skills and you always have something substative to say. I Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #111

Sure there are anti democratic party Democrats. Just go to JPR and you will see them. stevenleser Mar 2018 #135

I go to the JPR site to read what Russia and Putin are pushing Gothmog Mar 2018 #149

explain to me how dissatisfacdtion with your party makes you anti your JCanete Mar 2018 #164

Ask the kids whether the kid who took his ball and went home is anti the group. This isnt hard. stevenleser Mar 2018 #173

Is the kid who took his ball home a democrat? He may have been a JCanete Mar 2018 #176

You need them to vote for Democratic candidates. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #54

both are counterproductive to strengthening Dems. You don't need either of them for anything. BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #60

At the appearance of the word "establishment" I put them in the same binder. Done. betsuni Mar 2018 #64

Or "status quo"... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #71

Judging from the JPR posts, there is a great deal of overlap if not total overlap Gothmog Mar 2018 #77

Ain't that the truth? Cary Mar 2018 #83

Yep, and to answer the question in your OP, it doesn't really make a difference. Ultimately... stevenleser Mar 2018 #136

No doubt Cary Mar 2018 #139

I suppose we all have different ideas of what a troll is melman Mar 2018 #96

Yes, someone exactly like that was FFR the other day. betsuni Mar 2018 #97

Your point? melman Mar 2018 #98

... betsuni Mar 2018 #99

So, no point then melman Mar 2018 #100

Jog on, jog on, the footpath way, betsuni Mar 2018 #105

People like that are indeed getting FFR, and banned Cary Mar 2018 #102

Yes and passive aggressive is the most trollish of trolls Cary Mar 2018 #101

+1010100 stevenleser Mar 2018 #138

Whats the differents Soxfan58 Mar 2018 #103

Guess we need a secret signal. Vinca Mar 2018 #104

The Democratic Party is a "big tent" left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #106

None of that pertains to what I refer to. Cary Mar 2018 #114

Yeah, it does left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #116

You start out telling me what I refer to... Cary Mar 2018 #118

Again, who is or are the "anti-Democratic Democrats"? left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #119

Why not engage on the issues instead of trying to assign motives to anonymous internet posters? meadowlander Mar 2018 #121

Because it is pointless to engage people who have no intention of being engaged. stevenleser Mar 2018 #137

But you're not just engaging them. meadowlander Mar 2018 #148

Russian trolls are an issue Cary Mar 2018 #122

There are two groups, rabble rousing types who are very much against Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #151

As you know, Elliot, I am a purveyor of Occam's Razor Cary Mar 2018 #170

oh really? just those two huh? wonderful. Thank you for being so enlightening JCanete Mar 2018 #193

I said rabble rouser, I think, not asshole. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #197

and we have entirely different persepectives on how that is actually JCanete Mar 2018 #198

You could take it down a few notches Cary Mar 2018 #199

you think nothing about your language is aggessive. JCanete Mar 2018 #201

There is a lot of defensiveness mcar Mar 2018 #196

Indeed Cary Mar 2018 #200

I've noticed most Russian Trolls will attack posts that defame their beloved leader, Putin Farmer-Rick Mar 2018 #130

Some are not Russian trolls and are indeed stupidly unaware Cary Mar 2018 #142

Yes, the stupid in some is so strong that you have to just shake your head and walk away. Farmer-Rick Mar 2018 #180

And the beat goes on ornotna Mar 2018 #134

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #141

It can be difficult. ehrnst Mar 2018 #154

We need a super duper, top secret, double fingers crossed group to tell us who to vote for. jalan48 Mar 2018 #157

I prefer to decide for myself left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #161

I would just say a couple of things: (1) that there's probably no KPN Mar 2018 #160

I am closed minded Cary Mar 2018 #168

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #185

KPN, an anti-Democrat is just that. They can be Hortensis Mar 2018 #187

As we have seen. ehrnst Mar 2018 #188

:) Rob Porter probably sees his verbal abuse Hortensis Mar 2018 #192

The "both sides do it" line really pisses me off also Gothmog Mar 2018 #206

How would you describe Levi Sanders? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #191

There are many Democrats who should revisit our 2016 platform lapucelle Mar 2018 #202

It is very easy jmowreader Mar 2018 #163

Love it! Cary Mar 2018 #171

Study this thread hexola Mar 2018 #169

Try being... Alea Mar 2018 #175

This can be a tough place Cary Mar 2018 #183

You can't. WheelWalker Mar 2018 #178

Check the source IP address DBoon Mar 2018 #204

Anti-Democratic Party Democrat is an oxymoron. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #207

I have wondered the same thing EricMaundry Mar 2018 #210