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Hoyt

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42. Well, those guys out in LA years ago, sure managed to take out the police. Of course, they were

Wed Mar 7, 2018, 07:20 PM

Mar 2018

using rifles.

But, there definitely loads that do a better job of piercing armor, and loads that screw you up inside more than the standard military round. And, you can look on any gunner forum and they are extolling the benefits of each round when it comes to shooting some teenager or the boogeyman they fear.

The point to all this is that someone who thinks a teflon covered bullet is armor piercing -- although mistaken about that -- can still have a very valid opinion about guns in America nowadays.

And some gunner who has shot every kind of ammo, can still be so enthralled by endorphins when fondling a gun that he will never understand why two thirds of Americans don't own a gun, 93+% would never carry a gun, most gun owners only have a couple, etc. Yet, gun fanatics just can't understand that their hobby or irrational needs are a detriment to our society.

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Revenge of the Gun Nerds [View all] mac56 Mar 2018 OP

Yep. Can't express an opinion about guns if one is not a rabid white wing gun-nut, trained to kill. Hoyt Mar 2018 #1

Ignorance in support of a good cause is still ignorance. hack89 Mar 2018 #3

Addiction to guns and intimidation is worse. It might be a "game" to me, but it's protecting Hoyt Mar 2018 #10

And once again you prove my point. hack89 Mar 2018 #22

What's your point? That flooding the country with guns is good for someone besides gun CEOs? sharedvalues Mar 2018 #52

I buy a lot of beer and bourbon hack89 Mar 2018 #56

You're wrong, I'm sorry to say. Gun/ammo profits fund child killings. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #80

That's nice. hack89 Mar 2018 #82

It's a serious discussion. Gun buys fund the NRA, and fund killings. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #86

Bye. Nt hack89 Mar 2018 #97

How much goes to the NRA? sl8 Mar 2018 #85

It's standard corp finance: gun co's have a marketing budget. But here's some details. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #87

Thanks for the response, but it doesn't really answer my question. sl8 Mar 2018 #88

Profits go to fund gun violence. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #89

Question:"How much goes to the NRA?" Answer: " ... the deaths are on your soul" sl8 Mar 2018 #90

Answer #1: "hundreds of millions, here's a citation" sharedvalues Mar 2018 #91

Really? When did the NRA support terrorist activities in the US? SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #115

Answer #1: hundreds of millions. Heres a citation sharedvalues Mar 2018 #119

See my answer below. SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #132

Your post is a big rightwing talking point sharedvalues Mar 2018 #135

Do sales between individuals fund the NRA? If I buy a box of ammo from my neighbor, am I funding... Marengo Mar 2018 #136

What about private sales between individuals ? Marengo Mar 2018 #93

Is there a mathematical formula for computing the amount of blood on my hands? Devil Child Mar 2018 #96

That didnt take long, Example number one right here. Canoe52 Mar 2018 #103

Just for diversity Alea Mar 2018 #11

Hum, I'd call that arming up against the majority of gun-strokers who are white wing racists Hoyt Mar 2018 #12

So in other words Alea Mar 2018 #16

This... Puha Ekapi_2 Mar 2018 #47

Most guns in this country are not purchased for self-defense, unless you think Hoyt Mar 2018 #49

Bless your heart. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #50

Would you categorize those in the photos posted by Alea as gunners? Marengo Mar 2018 #59

I would categorize that as a blatant attempt to obscure the fact that white wing racist gunners Hoyt Mar 2018 #60

Looking at murders statistics, can't one say that gunners of all races put guns over society? hack89 Mar 2018 #62

White gunners are the only ones arming up against government and changing demographics they are Hoyt Mar 2018 #63

So the people actually killing people aren't the real danger? hack89 Mar 2018 #65

Clearly not. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #72

There would be a lot less poor on poor gun crime if you guys would quit buying more guns. Hoyt Mar 2018 #73

That makes no sense at all. hack89 Mar 2018 #74

Of course it doesn't. You are for protecting guns, no matter what. Hoyt Mar 2018 #75

Except for all the gun control laws I support, you mean? hack89 Mar 2018 #77

Your failure to answer is noted. Im going to ask you again, do you categorize them as gunners... Marengo Mar 2018 #70

Would you categorize the folks in those photos as gunners? Marengo Mar 2018 #48

We've had this argument before Hoyt.... Adrahil Mar 2018 #17

Sure. Pass real bans, that actually work. As Rubio said (to cheers): need to ban semi-autos sharedvalues Mar 2018 #53

I'm not interested in people who can't imagine life without guns influencing society's gun laws. Hoyt Mar 2018 #64

Crazed looking sociopaths or slobs pretending they can fight like soldiers. BSdetect Mar 2018 #2

Loud mouthed, one issue, fuckwit, assholes. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #4

That includes 30 percent of the democratic party Alea Mar 2018 #15

Melt every fucking gun in the world. Fuck Guns. Fuck Gunnerz. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #28

Back at ya Alea Mar 2018 #31

I find it's always better... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #94

? SammyWinstonJack Mar 2018 #61

Meh, its a line that isnt as far over as the gun banners scream it is Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #5

I have no objection to being shown where I am plainly in error mac56 Mar 2018 #6

Oh of course. But the other side has their version too. Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #8

"Gunsplaining" is routinely used by your side to terminate meaningful dialogue. Paladin Mar 2018 #7

Of course it is Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #9

Got some examples of these "falsehoods?" Hoyt Mar 2018 #13

Here are some I have seen here or in sources people linked to from here : Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #20

Ah come on, those might be exaggerations, kind of like gunners exaggerate the need for Hoyt Mar 2018 #27

Teflon coated bullets are "cop killers" SQUEE Mar 2018 #33

Are there weapons or loads more likely to penetrate an armored vest? If so, then there are so-called Hoyt Mar 2018 #37

Not really Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #39

Well, those guys out in LA years ago, sure managed to take out the police. Of course, they were Hoyt Mar 2018 #42

Sure, the person can have an opinion Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #66

Don't care about gunners' experience with lethal weapons. Has nothing to do with whether guns Hoyt Mar 2018 #67

"Well, those guys out in LA years ago, sure managed to take out the police" Not really... EX500rider Mar 2018 #104

I don't think you read your citation -- "twelve police officers and eight civilians were injured. ." Hoyt Mar 2018 #105

I know all about the events of that day and the only ones taken out as in killed were the robbers EX500rider Mar 2018 #107

Any centerfire rifle round will penetrate the typical police vest hack89 Mar 2018 #40

Guess to protect our police we'll just need to ban all ammo. Hoyt Mar 2018 #41

Good luck with that. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #51

I love DU performance art. hack89 Mar 2018 #68

Handgun bullets are cop-killers. That's why Canada, the UK, Japan and Australia all-but-ban them. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #54

We need a post recommend button. Hoyt Mar 2018 #57

+1. We're on the right side of history. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #79

Right, because most the criminals who currently kill cops and are already prohibited.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #111

"your side" Alea Mar 2018 #23

Would you vote for GOPers if tougher gun laws were supported by Dems? Hoyt Mar 2018 #44

It's not just about "imprecise terminology" Adrahil Mar 2018 #14

So sorry that "liberals" and "progressives" aren't living up to your standards. Paladin Mar 2018 #19

You assume a lot. Adrahil Mar 2018 #24

I was born prior to 1957, and spent my entire life handling firearms of all types. SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #35

Exactly how much "technical depth" does it require mac56 Mar 2018 #21

Enough to formulate meaningful laws that actually do something hack89 Mar 2018 #25

Well, if you want to actually regulate them... Adrahil Mar 2018 #26

NO. Absolutely NOT. Every American can and should be pro-gun-control. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #55

How do you avoid getting rolled by the NRA again like what happened in 1994 with the AWB? hack89 Mar 2018 #69

Fight. Stand up for waht you believe in. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #78

But no place about knowledge of the things you want to regulate? hack89 Mar 2018 #81

I must have missed where all the AIDS activists in the 80s were medical researcher PhDs sharedvalues Mar 2018 #83

Then you will fail like in 1994 hack89 Mar 2018 #84

No. Grassroots advocacy is needed. Not everyone needs to be an expert. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #92

Ok. Nt hack89 Mar 2018 #98

Exactly. All else is just stalling and BS. Hoyt Mar 2018 #45

Firearms work by sending bullets out of a metal barrel. What else is there to "know"? Fred Sanders Mar 2018 #102

They are like grammar nazis Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #18

All too familiar on DU billh58 Mar 2018 #29

It might not be that way if the pro-regulation folks weren't... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #95

I had some nut try this because I mentioned teflon bullets, correcting me as "teflon coated". TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #30

"He tried to trip me up with lingo, because he couldn't refute anything else I was saying." mac56 Mar 2018 #34

What's worse is that I've seen some pre-emptively gunsplain. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #32

To be fair. A lot of folks on social medai think that AR stands for SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #36

Which it is in fact is. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #38

It's not an assault rifle by any stretch. But thanks for the comment. SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #100

It's A) a rifle, and.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #101

Then I guess the advertising that I posted is a hoax and not the real thing? SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #114

The advertising you posted was just that. A marketing scheme. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #126

Not an assault rifle and NEVER marketed as one. SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #131

I'll never understand that the purpose of hunting is to obliterate your game? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #133

I'm actually not defendng the AR-15. SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #134

I don't give a damn how it was marketed. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #137

I doubt the association escaped the gun Marketeers. Hoyt Mar 2018 #46

Considering the rifle was "marketed" in 1960, I doubt it. SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #99

They could have changed the designation at anytime since. Bet my rear, Marketeers said No. Hoyt Mar 2018 #106

Hahaha Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #108

Well, let's go sue these gun stores. Hoyt Mar 2018 #109

Good luck with that. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #110

Check your aim. You missed the target. He said AR-15 belongs to Colt. Hoyt Mar 2018 #112

AR 15 does belong to Colt. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #117

Just repeating what DU gun expert -- only ones allowed to express opinions on sicko "hobby" -- said. Hoyt Mar 2018 #122

In what way did that poster make an excuse for shooting an innocent kid? Marengo Mar 2018 #129

Nice try, but it was "marketeered" as a hunting rifle. See my other response this thread. SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #113

For hunting people, thats why sales have taken off. White wingers love the idea. Hoyt Mar 2018 #116

No, AzureCrest Mar 2018 #118

Don't think hunters -- of animals -- need a rifle with that capacity. Fact is, only 6% of population Hoyt Mar 2018 #121

Depends on the wildlife. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #123

Typical gunners nowadays, and what gunners refer to as hunters. Hoyt Mar 2018 #124

Uh huh. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #125

Why are you here? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #127

It's a discussion board. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #128

In 1960? Nice try, try again. SlimJimmy Mar 2018 #130

This isn't news to anyone who follows this issue on DU maxsolomon Mar 2018 #43

A perfect example of why you need to know the gun laws when debating just happened to a candidate Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #58

"Well-Meaning Gun Owner Accidentally Creates Illegal Firearm in Viral Video" sl8 Mar 2018 #71

Boy is that familiar... HopeAgain Mar 2018 #76

The new trend for gun humpers is to blow your own head off first. pwb Mar 2018 #120