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Thu Mar 8, 2018, 12:25 PM

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Dems voting to roll back Dodd-Frank shows how centrists tie Democrats hands in MAJORITY [View all] yurbud Mar 2018 OP

This is all about being bought off. A repeat of 2008 or much worse democratisphere Mar 2018 #1

I prefer 'corporate Dems' as apposed to 'centrist', although I know it is the popular vernacular. poboy2 Mar 2018 #2

They used to call them True Blue American Mar 2018 #20

Yes, yes, the blue dogs. The conservative Dems mainly from the southern states. poboy2 Mar 2018 #21

Nothing that I can see. True Blue American Mar 2018 #26

The Blue Dogs certainly had a particular progressive candidate pulling for them.... ehrnst Mar 2018 #60

IMO they are right wing Democrats, not centrist. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #27

correct because a centrist would be someone elmac Mar 2018 #38

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #42

"Messaging is important" - it cannot be said enough and is not valued or used on our side. poboy2 Mar 2018 #43

I am reminded of this fantastic quote: trotsky Mar 2018 #3

That has not been the case. We have had only three presidents in thirty years...none have been Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #15

From the New Republic (totally not a leftist rag) shanny Mar 2018 #35

We have had a number of left left run in primaries who did not win... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #41

All due respect, but the "left left" in this country is barely liberal elsewhere shanny Mar 2018 #63

I think you need to remember that FDR was the 1% of the 1%, which would get him demonized today ehrnst Mar 2018 #81

The 1% hated his guts. For his policies. shanny Mar 2018 #97

The left is excoriating Patrick Kennedy for being "wealthy" ehrnst Mar 2018 #116

And that means nothing because they are running in this country and need to get elected here... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #108

How did Ossoff do? And Rob Quist? shanny Mar 2018 #113

Are you saying that Our Revolution endorsed candidates have a good track record of victory? ehrnst Mar 2018 #117

Nope. shanny Mar 2018 #124

What is it that you think Dems are doing "over and over" that is not working? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #125

running to the middle. obviously. shanny Mar 2018 #127

Not sure of what you mean by "running to the middle" ehrnst Mar 2018 #128

oy vey shanny Mar 2018 #129

So you can't provide examples of the Democratic party "running to the middle" for decades. ehrnst Mar 2018 #130

oh honey shanny Mar 2018 #135

Still got nothing, eh? ehrnst Mar 2018 #136

One would almost think shanny Mar 2018 #139

Still nothing. ehrnst Mar 2018 #140

Are you telling me a liberal would have done better in Georgia? And in fact Rob Quist was backed Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #119

whoosh shanny Mar 2018 #123

Change for the sake of change is meaningless...there is no indication that the sort of change you Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #133

When one can't even specify how "dems have raced to the middle." ehrnst Mar 2018 #137

That writer also writes for Jacobin, which is totally a leftist rag. Here's another view ehrnst Mar 2018 #53

OK--works for me: I take that to mean we should be anti-war also. shanny Mar 2018 #66

I'm simply saying that there are differing opinions as to McGovern's huge defeat ehrnst Mar 2018 #80

We just ran an Our Revolution candidate for Texas governor LeftInTX Mar 2018 #44

Tom Wakely PDittie Mar 2018 #71

Yes LeftInTX Mar 2018 #74

The Republican party wants 2 parties. Insanely RW Republicans and Moderate Republicans. Autumn Mar 2018 #4

This is a veiled call for ideological purity which is DEATH for a political party. Enough! LBM20 Mar 2018 #5

So red state voters marched in the streets against Dodd-Frank? leftstreet Mar 2018 #7

Exactly, there are hot-button issues but not this one DBoon Mar 2018 #78

I see what you're saying. I do. Glamrock Mar 2018 #8

We get some of what we want...and the GOP doesn't get to destroy social security Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #14

What I'm hearing, and I'm not trying to pick a fight, just a discussion. Glamrock Mar 2018 #16

Stand up? How is it standing up if more Republicans are elected in the short run? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #28

By backing bank deregulation (which is the point of this thread) Glamrock Mar 2018 #50

If we stand up now in such a way that causes us to lose...we lose it all...that is what I am saying. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #46

Ever diminishing returns ..What will we have to give up NEXT? whathehell Mar 2018 #57

what will we give up if the Reublicans keep winning...what do you suppose you will get under Trump Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #109

Not sure how capitulating to them now whathehell Mar 2018 #112

It is not capitulating to win elections...it is the only way...you have recognize that we have no Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #120

I'm not talking about winning elections, I'm whathehell Mar 2018 #126

I am pissed about that myself...I say when we get back in power we primary every blue state Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #131

Okay, I get what you're saying now. n/t whathehell Mar 2018 #138

That's really the point isn't it? KPN Mar 2018 #17

No. it is more nuanced than that Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #9

That is exactly correct. In areas where we get them elected...get the most Progressive Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #12

Correct. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #22

I disagree. It's a call for policy that serves public KPN Mar 2018 #31

Quiet and subdued? You mean like Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer? ehrnst Mar 2018 #115

Better to die on my feet bluecollar2 Mar 2018 #40

The Democratic Party was successful when it was a big tent party...what you demand will doom it to Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #47

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #69

Don't like Bill Clinton, eh? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #99

Heh-heh! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #100

It ceased being a big tent party when "pure" was demanded after United conservadems were voted Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #104

Sorry, to most of us Democrats the Democratic Party is STILL the "big tent party", so-called.... George II Mar 2018 #114

I think people are more worried about their K street prospects being doomed. yurbud Mar 2018 #102

We live in the age of United and I think you are unfair to Democrats...and no matter what... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #103

DURec leftstreet Mar 2018 #6

I totally agree RandomAccess Mar 2018 #10

and yet given how the Senate works...you can't have a majority without moderates...ah Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #11

keep considering whether or not that is actually true. There is far from any proof of it, and JCanete Mar 2018 #13

The 'ousting' of 'centrists' on their side sure was effective for them. poboy2 Mar 2018 #18

And why is that? I is because we have lost key elections by turning on the Democratic party. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #49

Yes, I know where you stand on this, and you know where I do. Look, take the JCanete Mar 2018 #67

I hate the banking legislation...only those in deep red states should have voted for it...maybe Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #107

Using Dodd Frank as the Example bottomofthehill Mar 2018 #85

You are also drawing conclusions that can't be supported. You are also JCanete Mar 2018 #86

I dont know. bottomofthehill Mar 2018 #89

Again, an assumption that people like corporatist policy. They don't. Why would they? JCanete Mar 2018 #90

because that is the majority, they do seem to vote for them bottomofthehill Mar 2018 #96

Add up red states and add up liberal states...we can't have a working majority without Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #122

Well what do you know I finally agree with you on something Egnever Mar 2018 #106

Hell has frozen over!!!! hehe...I think we agree on the important things... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #121

I love my DINO Senator Claire McCaskill l!! aeromanKC Mar 2018 #19

If not for her or a better democrat you mean. JCanete Mar 2018 #23

LOL! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #25

LOL!!! JCanete Mar 2018 #29

I know, right?!! :-D NurseJackie Mar 2018 #45

LOLOLOLOLOL!! best conversation ever! LOL! JCanete Mar 2018 #68

Not in Missouri aeromanKC Mar 2018 #32

You speak the truth workinclasszero Mar 2018 #36

She is the best we are going to get in Missouri. I like Claire. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #54

And there you have it!!! A perfect real-life example. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #24

It wont matter, they will have an answer for that too. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #30

nvmnd...thought this post was at me at first....carry on. JCanete Mar 2018 #61

Okay. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #65

centrists? rolling back banking regulations is right-wing bullshit spanone Mar 2018 #33

Indeed it is. Banking dereg almost always ends in tears. Exotica Mar 2018 #75

Disappointing... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #34

Oligarch's are very rich and very powerful. They have a lot of money to throw at elections. jalan48 Mar 2018 #37

Democrats are NOT in the majority in the Senate! yardwork Mar 2018 #39

My Senator is a co sponser of the bill, he is not vulnerable. This is his choice Autumn Mar 2018 #52

I hardly recognize what now passes for the Democratic Party's "center" democrank Mar 2018 #48

Paul supported Hillary's plan over single payer ehrnst Mar 2018 #51

that simply isn't true Exotica Mar 2018 #77

That was earlier. I'm talking about 2001. ehrnst Mar 2018 #79

thanks for the reply, I see that you were correct if talking about the 2001 Wellstone Exotica Mar 2018 #82

It's called seeing the elephant. ehrnst Mar 2018 #84

I have no problem with some level of bi-partisanship as long as it occurs in the middle Exotica Mar 2018 #88

I hear ya. ehrnst Mar 2018 #92

Thanks for the chat Exotica Mar 2018 #93

Didn't Lieberman kill the public option? moondust Mar 2018 #55

Often, when I say anything about centrist vs progressive Dems, I get blocked... Magoo48 Mar 2018 #56

I will preface this by saying I am very much for Dodd-Frank, but it isn't perfect, and banks that still_one Mar 2018 #58

What the hell are you doing...bringing facts into this rant!! GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #72

You said it much clearer and concise then I did. still_one Mar 2018 #83

Thanks, and doesnt some of this have to do with loosening R B Garr Mar 2018 #87

"They will not screw over their voters to make Democratic voters in a blue state happy." -- BINGO!! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #91

Did any of the 17 Dems vote IN FAVOR OF Dodd Frank and are reversing their position? no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #59

yes, 8 flipped, Michael Bennet (CO), Tom Carper (DE), Bill Nelson (FL), Debbie Stabenow (MI) Exotica Mar 2018 #70

Thank you. Let's flip them back. no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #73

Good luck with that, they appeared to be thoroughly captured on this issue Exotica Mar 2018 #94

Let me see if I can put a little perspective on the overall situation here: George II Mar 2018 #62

as you say, its an entire hypothetical. You are assuming the outcome of the latter democrat, JCanete Mar 2018 #76

You keep saying we. Who is we? GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #95

Hey! What kills progressives starts before the primary, and if you pay attention JCanete Mar 2018 #142

I don't know what much of that means, but getting back to my point: George II Mar 2018 #111

That may be a politician's most important job, but it isn't the only way one can be influential. JCanete Mar 2018 #141

I want a Democratic majority mcar Mar 2018 #98

Follow the $$$$ Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #64

dry powder and 3-d chess! KG Mar 2018 #101

Yes but... Egnever Mar 2018 #105

Who can remember? Since it was so long ago we had a majority...just before all those Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #110

They're conservatives elected by conservative voters who Hortensis Mar 2018 #118

Who are these "Democrats who support GOP in all but the Klan & NRA rallies?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #132

ballot security and cyber protection is the supreme issue. librechik Mar 2018 #134