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119. Are you telling me a liberal would have done better in Georgia? And in fact Rob Quist was backed

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 08:11 AM

Mar 2018

by Senator Sanders. And a Democrat won the governorship in Montana in 16...a more moderate candidate than Quist might have won. As for Ossoff...I lived in that district...Newt's old seat...very red and it is gerrymandered as well. The entire state of Georgia is gerrymandered which is why the first blue victories will be in statewide or national elections. If you think you can run liberals in red states, you are just plain wrong. May I remind you Perriello lost and Northam won Virginia? He was the right candidate for that state. We need a 50 state solution in order to take back the majority. And with the gerrymanders in most red states, that will be tough enough. Allow me to also point out that the one of my favorite progressives...Russ Feingold lost in 16. There is no evidence that running left will prevail in 18 or 20...in fact, it could lead to a terrible loss for our party and the country. Play it safe until Trump is gone...get the most liberal elected possible in blue states after 20. No primaries for sitting Democrats until Trump is gone. We get who we can in red states ( moderates will do) in order to win a majority. We will get way more in terms of policy if we embrace a 50 state solution and tolerate those who disagree with us on some issues but vote with us on most issues than if we continue to fight amongst ourselves and lose to Republicans who never agree or vote with us.

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Dems voting to roll back Dodd-Frank shows how centrists tie Democrats hands in MAJORITY [View all] yurbud Mar 2018 OP

This is all about being bought off. A repeat of 2008 or much worse democratisphere Mar 2018 #1

I prefer 'corporate Dems' as apposed to 'centrist', although I know it is the popular vernacular. poboy2 Mar 2018 #2

They used to call them True Blue American Mar 2018 #20

Yes, yes, the blue dogs. The conservative Dems mainly from the southern states. poboy2 Mar 2018 #21

Nothing that I can see. True Blue American Mar 2018 #26

The Blue Dogs certainly had a particular progressive candidate pulling for them.... ehrnst Mar 2018 #60

IMO they are right wing Democrats, not centrist. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #27

correct because a centrist would be someone elmac Mar 2018 #38

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #42

"Messaging is important" - it cannot be said enough and is not valued or used on our side. poboy2 Mar 2018 #43

I am reminded of this fantastic quote: trotsky Mar 2018 #3

That has not been the case. We have had only three presidents in thirty years...none have been Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #15

From the New Republic (totally not a leftist rag) shanny Mar 2018 #35

We have had a number of left left run in primaries who did not win... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #41

All due respect, but the "left left" in this country is barely liberal elsewhere shanny Mar 2018 #63

I think you need to remember that FDR was the 1% of the 1%, which would get him demonized today ehrnst Mar 2018 #81

The 1% hated his guts. For his policies. shanny Mar 2018 #97

The left is excoriating Patrick Kennedy for being "wealthy" ehrnst Mar 2018 #116

And that means nothing because they are running in this country and need to get elected here... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #108

How did Ossoff do? And Rob Quist? shanny Mar 2018 #113

Are you saying that Our Revolution endorsed candidates have a good track record of victory? ehrnst Mar 2018 #117

Nope. shanny Mar 2018 #124

What is it that you think Dems are doing "over and over" that is not working? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #125

running to the middle. obviously. shanny Mar 2018 #127

Not sure of what you mean by "running to the middle" ehrnst Mar 2018 #128

oy vey shanny Mar 2018 #129

So you can't provide examples of the Democratic party "running to the middle" for decades. ehrnst Mar 2018 #130

oh honey shanny Mar 2018 #135

Still got nothing, eh? ehrnst Mar 2018 #136

One would almost think shanny Mar 2018 #139

Still nothing. ehrnst Mar 2018 #140

Are you telling me a liberal would have done better in Georgia? And in fact Rob Quist was backed Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #119

whoosh shanny Mar 2018 #123

Change for the sake of change is meaningless...there is no indication that the sort of change you Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #133

When one can't even specify how "dems have raced to the middle." ehrnst Mar 2018 #137

That writer also writes for Jacobin, which is totally a leftist rag. Here's another view ehrnst Mar 2018 #53

OK--works for me: I take that to mean we should be anti-war also. shanny Mar 2018 #66

I'm simply saying that there are differing opinions as to McGovern's huge defeat ehrnst Mar 2018 #80

We just ran an Our Revolution candidate for Texas governor LeftInTX Mar 2018 #44

Tom Wakely PDittie Mar 2018 #71

Yes LeftInTX Mar 2018 #74

The Republican party wants 2 parties. Insanely RW Republicans and Moderate Republicans. Autumn Mar 2018 #4

This is a veiled call for ideological purity which is DEATH for a political party. Enough! LBM20 Mar 2018 #5

So red state voters marched in the streets against Dodd-Frank? leftstreet Mar 2018 #7

Exactly, there are hot-button issues but not this one DBoon Mar 2018 #78

I see what you're saying. I do. Glamrock Mar 2018 #8

We get some of what we want...and the GOP doesn't get to destroy social security Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #14

What I'm hearing, and I'm not trying to pick a fight, just a discussion. Glamrock Mar 2018 #16

Stand up? How is it standing up if more Republicans are elected in the short run? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #28

By backing bank deregulation (which is the point of this thread) Glamrock Mar 2018 #50

If we stand up now in such a way that causes us to lose...we lose it all...that is what I am saying. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #46

Ever diminishing returns ..What will we have to give up NEXT? whathehell Mar 2018 #57

what will we give up if the Reublicans keep winning...what do you suppose you will get under Trump Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #109

Not sure how capitulating to them now whathehell Mar 2018 #112

It is not capitulating to win elections...it is the only way...you have recognize that we have no Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #120

I'm not talking about winning elections, I'm whathehell Mar 2018 #126

I am pissed about that myself...I say when we get back in power we primary every blue state Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #131

Okay, I get what you're saying now. n/t whathehell Mar 2018 #138

That's really the point isn't it? KPN Mar 2018 #17

No. it is more nuanced than that Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #9

That is exactly correct. In areas where we get them elected...get the most Progressive Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #12

Correct. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #22

I disagree. It's a call for policy that serves public KPN Mar 2018 #31

Quiet and subdued? You mean like Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer? ehrnst Mar 2018 #115

Better to die on my feet bluecollar2 Mar 2018 #40

The Democratic Party was successful when it was a big tent party...what you demand will doom it to Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #47

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #69

Don't like Bill Clinton, eh? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #99

Heh-heh! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #100

It ceased being a big tent party when "pure" was demanded after United conservadems were voted Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #104

Sorry, to most of us Democrats the Democratic Party is STILL the "big tent party", so-called.... George II Mar 2018 #114

I think people are more worried about their K street prospects being doomed. yurbud Mar 2018 #102

We live in the age of United and I think you are unfair to Democrats...and no matter what... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #103

DURec leftstreet Mar 2018 #6

I totally agree RandomAccess Mar 2018 #10

and yet given how the Senate works...you can't have a majority without moderates...ah Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #11

keep considering whether or not that is actually true. There is far from any proof of it, and JCanete Mar 2018 #13

The 'ousting' of 'centrists' on their side sure was effective for them. poboy2 Mar 2018 #18

And why is that? I is because we have lost key elections by turning on the Democratic party. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #49

Yes, I know where you stand on this, and you know where I do. Look, take the JCanete Mar 2018 #67

I hate the banking legislation...only those in deep red states should have voted for it...maybe Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #107

Using Dodd Frank as the Example bottomofthehill Mar 2018 #85

You are also drawing conclusions that can't be supported. You are also JCanete Mar 2018 #86

I dont know. bottomofthehill Mar 2018 #89

Again, an assumption that people like corporatist policy. They don't. Why would they? JCanete Mar 2018 #90

because that is the majority, they do seem to vote for them bottomofthehill Mar 2018 #96

Add up red states and add up liberal states...we can't have a working majority without Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #122

Well what do you know I finally agree with you on something Egnever Mar 2018 #106

Hell has frozen over!!!! hehe...I think we agree on the important things... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #121

I love my DINO Senator Claire McCaskill l!! aeromanKC Mar 2018 #19

If not for her or a better democrat you mean. JCanete Mar 2018 #23

LOL! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #25

LOL!!! JCanete Mar 2018 #29

I know, right?!! :-D NurseJackie Mar 2018 #45

LOLOLOLOLOL!! best conversation ever! LOL! JCanete Mar 2018 #68

Not in Missouri aeromanKC Mar 2018 #32

You speak the truth workinclasszero Mar 2018 #36

She is the best we are going to get in Missouri. I like Claire. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #54

And there you have it!!! A perfect real-life example. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #24

It wont matter, they will have an answer for that too. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #30

nvmnd...thought this post was at me at first....carry on. JCanete Mar 2018 #61

Okay. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #65

centrists? rolling back banking regulations is right-wing bullshit spanone Mar 2018 #33

Indeed it is. Banking dereg almost always ends in tears. Exotica Mar 2018 #75

Disappointing... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #34

Oligarch's are very rich and very powerful. They have a lot of money to throw at elections. jalan48 Mar 2018 #37

Democrats are NOT in the majority in the Senate! yardwork Mar 2018 #39

My Senator is a co sponser of the bill, he is not vulnerable. This is his choice Autumn Mar 2018 #52

I hardly recognize what now passes for the Democratic Party's "center" democrank Mar 2018 #48

Paul supported Hillary's plan over single payer ehrnst Mar 2018 #51

that simply isn't true Exotica Mar 2018 #77

That was earlier. I'm talking about 2001. ehrnst Mar 2018 #79

thanks for the reply, I see that you were correct if talking about the 2001 Wellstone Exotica Mar 2018 #82

It's called seeing the elephant. ehrnst Mar 2018 #84

I have no problem with some level of bi-partisanship as long as it occurs in the middle Exotica Mar 2018 #88

I hear ya. ehrnst Mar 2018 #92

Thanks for the chat Exotica Mar 2018 #93

Didn't Lieberman kill the public option? moondust Mar 2018 #55

Often, when I say anything about centrist vs progressive Dems, I get blocked... Magoo48 Mar 2018 #56

I will preface this by saying I am very much for Dodd-Frank, but it isn't perfect, and banks that still_one Mar 2018 #58

What the hell are you doing...bringing facts into this rant!! GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #72

You said it much clearer and concise then I did. still_one Mar 2018 #83

Thanks, and doesnt some of this have to do with loosening R B Garr Mar 2018 #87

"They will not screw over their voters to make Democratic voters in a blue state happy." -- BINGO!! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #91

Did any of the 17 Dems vote IN FAVOR OF Dodd Frank and are reversing their position? no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #59

yes, 8 flipped, Michael Bennet (CO), Tom Carper (DE), Bill Nelson (FL), Debbie Stabenow (MI) Exotica Mar 2018 #70

Thank you. Let's flip them back. no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #73

Good luck with that, they appeared to be thoroughly captured on this issue Exotica Mar 2018 #94

Let me see if I can put a little perspective on the overall situation here: George II Mar 2018 #62

as you say, its an entire hypothetical. You are assuming the outcome of the latter democrat, JCanete Mar 2018 #76

You keep saying we. Who is we? GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #95

Hey! What kills progressives starts before the primary, and if you pay attention JCanete Mar 2018 #142

I don't know what much of that means, but getting back to my point: George II Mar 2018 #111

That may be a politician's most important job, but it isn't the only way one can be influential. JCanete Mar 2018 #141

I want a Democratic majority mcar Mar 2018 #98

Follow the $$$$ Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #64

dry powder and 3-d chess! KG Mar 2018 #101

Yes but... Egnever Mar 2018 #105

Who can remember? Since it was so long ago we had a majority...just before all those Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #110

They're conservatives elected by conservative voters who Hortensis Mar 2018 #118

Who are these "Democrats who support GOP in all but the Klan & NRA rallies?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #132

ballot security and cyber protection is the supreme issue. librechik Mar 2018 #134