Dems voting to roll back Dodd-Frank shows how centrists tie Democrats hands in MAJORITY

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122. Add up red states and add up liberal states...we can't have a working majority without

moderates. It is not about a map that we arbitrarily choose. It is voting patterns...and when a state turns blue like Virginia, they don't run to the left but to the center. Northam was elected remember. Consider Montana where a moderate Democrat won the governorship in 16 and Quist lost in 17. This could mean a more moderate candidate might have won...and with a gerrymander, we can't judge 'success' in the House. I see no evidence that people in red states are voting on liberal issues. It doesn't matter if they agree with us on a couple of issues...that is bound to be true. It matters on what they vote for.

Consider guns...most want reasonable gun control laws (polls show this), but it is not a voting issue...which I hope is changing with the kids in the street ( I will join them in Cleveland in March..can't get to DC this time). The most electoral success we have had recently was with Dean who pursued a 50 state solution and was very successful (I was a Deaniac -love the guy). I would also like to point out that Limbaugh's operation chaos and a long primary in o8 gave us political infrastructure in states we normally didn't win or have much of a Democratic organization in. As Clinton and Obama fought to win the primary- the Obama campaign put money in states like Virginia and had an infrastructure during the general as result. This was a 50 state solution if you think about it and I believe Virginia turned blue several elections cycles sooner as a result. Also, Virginia was very encouraging for liberals like me...consider the sort of candidates who won the legislative seats. They came close to flipping the legislature even in a gerrymandered states...and those candidates were mostly liberal who won on local issues...that may be the key to electing progressives which of course is our goal...and maybe, we can start with grass roots...legislatures which we need an get our message out that way.

My concern in the next couple of elections is to take back some power and stop the Republicans and Trump...after that is done we get the most liberal candidates possible in blue states. And those who voted for the Bank legislation should be primaried then if they are in blue states. No point in doing that in red states. Run someone who can win in red states or support incumbents who have an advantage and vote with us most of the time...we won't win all but we can make some headway, and we will be able to get some of what we want...not everything...but some. And we won't be fighting on GOP turf. If we don't win, we could lose hard won progressive programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the ACA...some dating back to roosevelt.