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JCanete

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183. I totally agree that we needed a fighter at that point in time. I was thinking of the appropriate
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:10 AM
Mar 2018

use, given the hour we found ourself at, of the bully pulpit as a place from which punches should be thrown. I do grant there were amazing things Obama was able to accomplish in terms of articulating, and I think inspiring, compassion and the best in us, not just nationally but globally. But as you say, he did not fight well. That was partly by early strategy, which almost seemed brilliant to me(shame the republicans into joining at the middle) but it quickly turned out to be a horrible mistake from which Obama and his team did not pivot(until what, 2013, 2014? Turns out the repubs were going to fight tooth and nail on every little bit of progress, because at the end of the day what was the worst that could happen? That very little bit of progress is what. why not fight it. There was no haymaker waiting for them if they stuck their face in too close.

At some point it really does suggest a naivety about the actual political landscape and of just how much money has made rational, honest disagreement, an extinct species, not to mention a failure to appreciate the corporately owned 4th estate as a tool of their corporate agendas.

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This message was self-deleted by its author GaryCnf Mar 2018 #1
Not to mention he was and is appointed KPN Mar 2018 #2
Issues :) sharedvalues Mar 2018 #3
There is nothing that happened in 16 that is worth 'learning from'...horrible loss which gave rise Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #4
now that is kind of a ridiculous statement. How would it not be worth learning from, even JCanete Mar 2018 #50
Obama lost the House two years into his presidency. We were not able to Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #85
What happened in Georgia? Please enlighten us.... rgbecker Mar 2018 #160
Interesting on Obama's role and progressive ideas of reducing wealth inequality sharedvalues Mar 2018 #89
I totally agree that we needed a fighter at that point in time. I was thinking of the appropriate JCanete Mar 2018 #183
Exactly. +1 sharedvalues Mar 2018 #189
Under Obama. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #171
Got it. Just clarifying that in fact that's exactly what Bernie was asked/ KPN Mar 2018 #5
Yeah- hes been good on outreach to the working and middle classes sharedvalues Mar 2018 #19
I can't wait until he does a town hall in Vermont. George II Mar 2018 #28
Come on, is that necessary? sharedvalues Mar 2018 #31
Who is sniping? He's a Senator from Vermont. George II Mar 2018 #34
Trying to help who? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #77
Both of my senators do many many town halls Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #174
My exact thoughts. Those people in West Virginia were so impressed that a politician had OregonBlue Mar 2018 #36
Correction: outreach to the WHITE working and middle classes EffieBlack Mar 2018 #55
Thank you. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #79
Are you saying you think Bernie is a racist? I haven't really ever thought of him like that. OregonBlue Mar 2018 #151
No, I'm not saying that. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #155
Nope, that is NOT what he was asked to do in the capacity of Party Chair of Outreach. George II Mar 2018 #22
Positive please sharedvalues Mar 2018 #32
Huh? George II Mar 2018 #35
This is what Bernie was actually asked to do Progressive dog Mar 2018 #168
Do you know what the job of "Party Chair of Outreach" entails? George II Mar 2018 #20
Was it defined? No, so it's basically opinion KPN Mar 2018 #133
No it doesn't. It actually has very little to do with reaching out to people other than.... George II Mar 2018 #152
Oh, well, I'll accept that with proof. KPN Mar 2018 #157
In that case, I'll accept your inferred function of the job "with proof". See how that works? George II Mar 2018 #158
Bernie is not a Democrat dlk Mar 2018 #6
YES seta1950 Mar 2018 #13
And Why Is Bernie Not A Democrat? PaulX2 Mar 2018 #184
Issues! Lets be constructive sharedvalues Mar 2018 #14
Unfortunately talk didn't do much when the wealthiest just got 82% democratisphere Mar 2018 #41
He has? What laws has he had passed in this area? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #81
Aren't there some moderate Republicans who want pro-choice, better health care, Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #128
Cult of Personality Roy Rolling Mar 2018 #30
Thank you! We have public servants not heroes sharedvalues Mar 2018 #33
Great post! Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #67
+1 leftstreet Mar 2018 #102
Except the OP isn't asking us to focus on issues at large mythology Mar 2018 #116
Then talk about what issues you agree and disagree on and why you hold your opinion. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #145
Funny then, that the OP doesn't seem interested in discussing the issues KitSileya Mar 2018 #195
We also have party affiliation. That's what I thought this forum was about. ??? nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #129
I started a thread the other day asking everyone here why they are a Democrat. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #146
Excellent post! Sophia4 Mar 2018 #141
Democrats don't have HEROES? progressoid Mar 2018 #191
Thank you dlk for pointing that out. democratisphere Mar 2018 #38
The TOS for this site explicity identify Sanders as a "Democratic Public Figure" Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #39
You're right on all counts. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #52
A timely reminder. I hope this thread can stay civil Arazi Mar 2018 #99
Right snowybirdie Mar 2018 #53
From The Official Senate Democratic Leadership Page Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #126
"For all intents and purposes, Bernie Sanders is a Democrat." LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #187
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... LexVegas Mar 2018 #8
Amen. Lets talk about the issues we want to move forward. Sienna86 Mar 2018 #9
+1 sharedvalues Mar 2018 #18
I am done with Bernie katmondoo Mar 2018 #10
Me, too. Freedomofspeech Mar 2018 #12
Issues! Why did you vote for him then? sharedvalues Mar 2018 #16
I think, had Hillary chosen Warren or Bernie as VP mountain grammy Mar 2018 #26
I agree entirely. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #40
Yes, I think Hillary should have chosen Bernie. Bluepinky Mar 2018 #44
Nobody turns off people like he does, either EffieBlack Mar 2018 #61
To each their own. I find him inspirational. Bluepinky Mar 2018 #62
I understand and respect that EffieBlack Mar 2018 #64
You can say the same thing about Hillary. meadowlander Mar 2018 #94
People said that about Hillary all the time. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #98
I think that Hillary also should be playing more of a role in politics. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #149
That would be great. But every time Hillary utters a peep EffieBlack Mar 2018 #154
It looks odd that she is not part of the discussion. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #156
Why are you implying Hillary isnt well?? Isnt that a JPR R B Garr Mar 2018 #169
I'm sorry if I was unclear, but I think Hillary is very well, and I certainly did not Sophia4 Mar 2018 #180
Damned if she does, damned if she dont EffieBlack Mar 2018 #178
Yep. Tipperary Mar 2018 #80
Think of the alternative -- Trump and Pence. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #148
I agree Omaha Steve Mar 2018 #45
I don't agree EffieBlack Mar 2018 #60
Unfortunately the comments about identity politics just goes right over the head Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #83
I am disappointed that some here are still blaming HC for Trump pandr32 Mar 2018 #92
THANK you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #100
Agreed. Cheating efforts continue in every way imaginable pandr32 Mar 2018 #110
Clinton takes blame for loss in new book: It was my campaign. Those were my decisions Omaha Steve Mar 2018 #111
She is that kind of person pandr32 Mar 2018 #118
Her strength really shines through... NCTraveler Mar 2018 #131
She got my vote Omaha Steve Mar 2018 #139
+1 nt NCTraveler Mar 2018 #140
I'm not blaming her at all. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #162
"The fix was in?" pandr32 Mar 2018 #176
The general of course mountain grammy Mar 2018 #179
There was a huge Republican drive to suppress voter turnout pandr32 Mar 2018 #196
Yes, I know and agree mountain grammy Mar 2018 #197
You could say that (as you did) or... pandr32 Mar 2018 #198
yes united we could of overcome the rig questionseverything Mar 2018 #142
Agreed! Sophia4 Mar 2018 #147
Okay, let's talk about the issues. Bernie can GTFO, though. NT Adrahil Mar 2018 #11
Wealth inequality! Its destroying America. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #15
Yes, agree mountain grammy Mar 2018 #24
No one here disagrees with that. Blue_true Mar 2018 #49
"Wealth inequality"? What was his net worth before his 2016 campaign and what is it now? George II Mar 2018 #57
How is this post focusing on Democratic values and issues? sharedvalues Mar 2018 #78
Agreed. Adrahil Mar 2018 #76
Yep, so tell us what would YOU do if you could. That is how this works. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #84
I like Piketty's idea: we need a wealth tax sharedvalues Mar 2018 #90
Great idea, first though we have to get rid of the tax plan the nazis just implemented Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #91
Yes I think two things are needed: turnout, and stop propaganda sharedvalues Mar 2018 #95
I fear that you are glossing over the problem of primarying democrats Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #96
Any democrat in any seat - I'm on board with that sharedvalues Mar 2018 #97
Oh great then, I suggest we preach that and ONLY that until we achieve that. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #101
I'm for a $12 MW. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #104
Russian Interference.. Tribalceltic Mar 2018 #17
GOP-billionaire funded right wing media has a bigger influence sharedvalues Mar 2018 #23
Thank you. yellowwoodII Mar 2018 #21
Thanks for supporting democratic ideas sharedvalues Mar 2018 #25
I idolize the man jodymarie aimee Mar 2018 #27
While Bernie advocates fair shake for all sharedvalues Mar 2018 #29
Thanks for the post Equinox Moon Mar 2018 #37
Yes, would love... zentrum Mar 2018 #42
I too would like to understand why Dems voted to roll back bank regs. Equinox Moon Mar 2018 #46
Here they are. zentrum Mar 2018 #51
This issue and the response of these 17 goes to the heart of the problem. rgbecker Mar 2018 #163
Agree. At least zentrum Mar 2018 #167
Bernie's ideas pose a direct threat to many wealthy and powerful interests including those on jalan48 Mar 2018 #43
Bernie talks but does little to no action. Blue_true Mar 2018 #47
He just took the ACTION of voting against this odious banking bill Jim Lane Mar 2018 #56
So did the vast majority of Democrats. If you have a problem with those Democrats who did NOT Squinch Mar 2018 #177
You've missed my point. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #185
And yet you only named one person by whom we should be impressed for taking that action. Squinch Mar 2018 #188
I named only one person because only one person was smeared. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #192
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #193
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Ugh. So much of the same old same old bullshit. Really, I just can't stand this conversation any Squinch Mar 2018 #199
He's all talk EffieBlack Mar 2018 #63
There was a time I would slam you for what you just said. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #87
Exactly EffieBlack Mar 2018 #93
Well said. MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #108
You nailed it EffieBlack Mar 2018 #143
+1 betsuni Mar 2018 #153
I said this in another thread last night Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #182
Who? Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #48
Right there with you Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #65
Actions speak louder than words. ehrnst Mar 2018 #54
I agree we should talk about the issues. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #58
You could say Heartstrings Mar 2018 #59
Ideas and implementation of ideas are two different issues ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #66
Nothing you said anywhere in here is a lie EffieBlack Mar 2018 #69
And thats the elephant in the living room so to speak ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #74
It's not about the issues kcr Mar 2018 #68
The issues are Democratic issues. Most of them were in the platform before Bernie said a word. Squinch Mar 2018 #70
This discussion rings true to me: Economy that works for everyone. 0.01% should pay their fair shar sharedvalues Mar 2018 #71
That has been a Democratic value since before you even knew Bernie's name. Squinch Mar 2018 #73
OK, so let's focus on that. I want economic fairness sharedvalues Mar 2018 #75
Who here does not want economic fairness? What Democrat does not want economic Squinch Mar 2018 #88
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #164
Who got nominated? Who got at least that much done? Who had an actual track record of Squinch Mar 2018 #172
You mean Bernie didn't invent it? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #86
Correct. The Democratic Party platform is highly progressive. yardwork Mar 2018 #113
The tax on Wall Street Qutzupalotl Mar 2018 #72
Agreed. High freq trading tax makes sense sharedvalues Mar 2018 #82
I'd argue these transactions should be taxed just like sales tax. rgbecker Mar 2018 #165
Why? brer cat Mar 2018 #103
? I'm here to talk about wealth inequality. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #105
Then that should have been your OP brer cat Mar 2018 #112
Exactly. Passive aggressive Bernie transparency. Squinch Mar 2018 #115
+1 betsuni Mar 2018 #161
Damn! Brer Cat, Well Said! Cha Mar 2018 #109
This, 10000 times yardwork Mar 2018 #114
Thank you, brer. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #138
Well, damn! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #144
Thank you. These arent Bernies issues. Maven Mar 2018 #150
I think Bernie keeps comng up when Democratic issues are discussed rgbecker Mar 2018 #166
Good thread! mvd Mar 2018 #106
DURec leftstreet Mar 2018 #107
I am only going to vote for Democrats 4now Mar 2018 #117
Health care. KitSileya Mar 2018 #119
Boom boom boom ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #123
Thank you for Hillary's site on the Issues, Cha Mar 2018 #130
College KitSileya Mar 2018 #120
An economy that works for everyone KitSileya Mar 2018 #121
Campaign finance reform KitSileya Mar 2018 #122
A couple of issues you seem to have forgotten.... KitSileya Mar 2018 #124
Mahalo, Kit, for these Important ISSUES! Cha Mar 2018 #135
This is what we should focus on: Bernies ideas NCTraveler Mar 2018 #125
Let's talk party affiliation, too. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #132
The trend is really clear. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #136
"Bernie's ideas" like Medicare for all? That he shops around like a magic bullet ucrdem Mar 2018 #127
Right! And, John Conyers introduced Medicare Cha Mar 2018 #134
You got it Cha! And then there was Bernie's brilliant TPP idea ucrdem Mar 2018 #137
I love you Bernie but kacekwl Mar 2018 #159
Out of the five top trending threads at DU at this moment pecosbob Mar 2018 #170
Every Dem candidate for prez endorsed these issues. Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #173
It is vexing. betsuni Mar 2018 #175
I plead the 5th on Bernie Skittles Mar 2018 #181
Wealth inequality is the biggest issue of our time Kurt V. Mar 2018 #186
One of his "ideas" -none of which he actually invented - is one of which I want no part. His... NNadir Mar 2018 #190
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