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bigbrother05

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61. Government recognized tribal affiliation has to be proven via enrollment records

Mon Mar 12, 2018, 02:12 PM

Mar 2018

The only way DNA testing would come into play would be to demonstrate parent-child relationships in lieu of documentation.

My membership is based on my Grandmother being on the Dawes rolls and my father's birth certificate linking him to her. I link to my dad and my kids link to me, so we're all members of the Cherokee Nation (Oklahoma). Never having taken a DNA test, I can't opine on the outcome, but it would be possible that my Grandmother wasn't 100% Cherokee even though she was considered full blooded.

On my mom's side, there was talk that some NA ancestry existed, but no one could point to a specific relative and we've never even looked for a link.

Guess what I'm saying is that I agree with you, doesn't much matter in general, unless it does. Growing up in a place like Oklahoma or other locations with deep NA ties brings a different perspective as it can have benefits attached.

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DNA Heritage Tests - Why Would E. Warren or Anybody Bother? [View all] MineralMan Mar 2018 OP

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That's some bold white privilege rolling out there Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #2

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I agree. scarletlib Mar 2018 #7

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In search of purity dalton99a Mar 2018 #4

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My main issues are privacy concerns. madaboutharry Mar 2018 #9

As long as all my past ancestors came from planet Earth, MineralMan Mar 2018 #10

I agree. madaboutharry Mar 2018 #12

Wish I Could Say That With Certainty, MM ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #75

Well, that's on you, isn't it? MineralMan Mar 2018 #92

Dad's parents shed any identification they had with their Indian ancestry bigtree Mar 2018 #11

It has always been my assumption that anything is possible MineralMan Mar 2018 #14

a search to determine ancestry can be a necessary one bigtree Mar 2018 #19

My father was born in Oklahoma. There has always been this story MineralMan Mar 2018 #46

is it really 'just vanity?' bigtree Mar 2018 #48

It's my opinion. Everything I write here is my opinion. MineralMan Mar 2018 #59

I think most of the people who have an issue with her accounting of her heritage bigtree Mar 2018 #62

I named her in the title of my post for a reason. MineralMan Mar 2018 #65

that's why I provided concrete reasons for testing bigtree Mar 2018 #66

My words don't carry all that much weight, bigtree. MineralMan Mar 2018 #67

your opinion bigtree Mar 2018 #76

both grandparents came from Oklahoma...born in the territory..NA stories everywhere in our oral samnsara Mar 2018 #55

Not surprising, really. MineralMan Mar 2018 #57

Government recognized tribal affiliation has to be proven via enrollment records bigbrother05 Mar 2018 #61

Some people are interested in history and some aren't. pnwmom Mar 2018 #115

Stop making sense, dammit... First Speaker Mar 2018 #13

I can't. It must be in my genes. MineralMan Mar 2018 #15

I am adopted - i have complicated feelings about this el_bryanto Mar 2018 #16

That is truly a dilemma. MineralMan Mar 2018 #22

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Many reasons Crepuscular Mar 2018 #18

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That's truly amazing. What a great story about solving MineralMan Mar 2018 #41

Thanks Crepuscular Mar 2018 #45

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Wow! What a story. Thanks so much for posting. Exotica Mar 2018 #95

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I don't care what others decide to do, really. MineralMan Mar 2018 #24

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Consider this argument hexola Mar 2018 #23

I learned quite a bit from mine BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #25

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Thanks Clarity2 Mar 2018 #103

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Thank you Clarity2 Mar 2018 #104

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Great - thank you! nt Clarity2 Mar 2018 #121

My mother completely lost touch with cousins she loved who moved when she was young. pnwmom Mar 2018 #32

I have some cousins on my father's side who I haven't seen for over 50 years. MineralMan Mar 2018 #34

Well, you don't. That doesn't mean other people wouldn't be glad to find some long-lost relatives. pnwmom Mar 2018 #40

And yet, I can still wonder why anyone would bother. MineralMan Mar 2018 #43

Yes, you certainly can. But your OP asked why ANYONE would bother. pnwmom Mar 2018 #47

Babies being swapped at birth would probably be a very big deal to anyone. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #49

Really, no. It wouldn't change who raised me. MineralMan Mar 2018 #51

Well, Crepuscular Mar 2018 #73

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My Sister Was Adopted ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #78

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I can see Crepuscular Mar 2018 #90

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I can assure you with 100% certainty that I am not your father. MineralMan Mar 2018 #36

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ICAM. They are a waste of money. I've called it a hobby for the rich lunamagica Mar 2018 #42

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Here is what I said about Warren and DNA chowder66 Mar 2018 #58

I'm glad we agree about Elizabeth Warren. MineralMan Mar 2018 #60

Some people are more curious than others, I think. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #53

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OK. I don't mind if you do. MineralMan Mar 2018 #56

I tend to agree matt819 Mar 2018 #63

We only met our MFM008 Mar 2018 #64

Why judge? KatyMan Mar 2018 #68

Because some people were insisting that Elizabeth Warren MineralMan Mar 2018 #71

OK, in Warren's case, or yours, that's fine KatyMan Mar 2018 #80

I am with you Egnever Mar 2018 #69

Its the same BS the birthers pulled on Obama arthritisR_US Mar 2018 #70

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Excellent point and dead on! arthritisR_US Mar 2018 #100

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