Bernie Sanders in Phoenix: Senator encourages supporters to fight for change, riles opponents

[aikoaiko]

127. That's funny that you should cite cognitive dissonance.

You asked:What is it that they "should be" but are not? Clearly you have an idea of what they are not if they are not what "they should be."

I answered: Currently we are helping Republicans deregulate the banks

Then you asked:
And other areas where the Dems have been "weak or lazy" (not as strong as they should) in the past? And what was the reason for their being "weak or lazy" (not as strong as they should)?

I answered: The Iraq War Resolution and providing extra bankruptcy protections to to credit card companies.

Then you asked: Do you think BS was talking about any other instances?

Such as supporting the Republican position on these:
Voting for: Removing the santions on Russia, Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, Protecting 'The Minuteman Project', gutting oversight for agricultural marketing practices, 1.5 trillion dollars worth of military spending on F-35 fighter jets, because it benefits their home state, military interventions in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq twice along with voting repeatedly for budgets that included funding for the 2003 war, Somalia, and Libya
Voting against: The Brady Bill, The Victims of Rape Health Protection Act, increased education funding, increased funding for poor students, legislation increasing financial aid, legislation requiring federal agencies to create and enforce anti-sex discrimination policies, legislation banning imports from forced child labor, funding going towards investigations of unfair trade practices, funding for assisting prospective homeowners with AIDS

I answered: I don't know.

You then asked:But do the postitions I listed "resonate" with you like when Dems "supported GOP positions" 2 times?
There were way more than two in that list.
Are the numerous votes on that list supporting GOP legislation as off-putting to you as specific Democrats support on the two issues you mentioned: the Iraq War resolution and current legislation revising Dodd/Frank?
If not, why?

I answered: No. I said that protecting credit card companies at the expenses of the poor and middle class and the IWR which is a 15+ year war were two of the worst things that we enabled in the 21st century. If we deregulate banks and another massive Recession occurs, millions will suffer again. A lot of people still haven’t recovered from the last one.

Then you said I was avoiding the question and I'm not sure which question you mean. Maybe you meant the one question I didn't answer which was why I thought Democrats were motivated to help credit card companies and Bush go to war in Iraq. I think the Democrats who voted for the bankruptcy protections for credit cards were motivated by big donors. I think we failed on the IWR because too many of us wanted blood revenge and were willing to rage against Iraq when they had nothing to do with the 911 attack. Now I've answered every single question even though I suspect you don't like the answers.

And then you write, inexplicably, You don't hold BS to the same standards as you do "Democrats supporting two GOP policies" obviously, and change the topic when shown BS' record on supporting GOP legislation and policies.

I never wrote the words "Democrats supporting two GOP policies" and my gripe is not based on whether they were GOP policies or not. I've answered almost every question and didn't change the subject. You changed the subject to Bernie's votes.

The things is, Bernie isn't criticizing individual Democrats with his criticisms. He's being more general and it captures the way a lot of Democrats and lefties feel about the party. Not you and the dozen or so people on DU who are still angry at Bernie, but others like me.

You shouldn't cite cognitive dissonance unless you should its not affecting you.