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aikoaiko

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130. Ok, so let me answer new questions.

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:55 AM

Mar 2018

You never asked me to address the things Bernie voted for or against other than whether they resonated with me more than the items I mentioned. I answered no that they didn't resonate with me more (i.e., the actual question you asked) and I explained why (i.e., 2 worst things we enabled).

I don't hold continuing the Iraq war against anyone. Not Obama, not Bernie, and other Democrats and lefties. We broke it and we needed to not leave it to someone else to clean up. As much as I wanted to say let's just get out, I trusted President Obama to make that choice. Getting out is harder to do than getting in.

If you want me to tell you what I think of each of those votes, I'd like you to first tell me what harm was caused by Bernie's vote for each of the bills. The issue for me isn't whether someone voted with Republicans per se, but the harm that resulted. The Iraq Resolution had more support from Republicans, but a majority of Democrats voted for it in the Senate (but not so in the House).

And I need to get back to work.

eta: In some ways, it doesn't matter. Even if I didn't like every vote by Bernie, I can still assess the Democratic party as sometimes not being as strong as I want.

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Bernie Sanders in Phoenix: Senator encourages supporters to fight for change, riles opponents [View all] Donkees Mar 2018 OP

More sour grapes about the primary. R B Garr Mar 2018 #1

That's too bad.. Cha Mar 2018 #2

It is very oppressive. I have also noticed people questioing his R B Garr Mar 2018 #3

So you are all with the Trump lovers that were heckling him ? CentralMass Mar 2018 #5

That's ridiculous.. Just because BS gets called out.. Cha Mar 2018 #17

What you are selling is out of touch with the reality. CentralMass Mar 2018 #33

Just stop the personal attacks. Cha Mar 2018 #35

There was no personal attack. CentralMass Mar 2018 #41

The point is that Bernie has not been a Democrat his entire life TexasTowelie Mar 2018 #38

+1 betsuni Mar 2018 #40

Rallies serve other purposes than "outreach" ehrnst Mar 2018 #98

Exactly. He is just going to Texas to take credit for R B Garr Mar 2018 #135

There is a difference between criticism and bashing. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #49

The diffeeence between manure and crap? David__77 Mar 2018 #82

I think that it's more like the difference between working manure into the soil ehrnst Mar 2018 #97

Speaking of selling, endless corruption insinuations R B Garr Mar 2018 #60

Bravo. marble falls Mar 2018 #62

+++ pangaia Mar 2018 #79

I dont like you being accused of being like a trump supporter, that really pisses me off Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #76

I know, Eliot.. however.. that's Cha Mar 2018 #78

If you think about it...who else is holding rallies at this particular moment? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #124

GMAB. Sanders did a lot of damage to the DREAMERS aand other immigrants when he lunamagica Mar 2018 #56

Oh, please. Who hasnt heard his stump speech a million R B Garr Mar 2018 #59

lol.. Looks like it worked.. Cha Mar 2018 #67

Remarkable. Amazing. And will it work? Will it dampen voting from the left? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #77

Who is being divisive? babylonsister Mar 2018 #9

Bernie Sanders. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #44

Bringing up the primary and implying corruption and R B Garr Mar 2018 #58

so you want peops waiting 7 hours to vote? questionseverything Mar 2018 #81

The victimization and corruption insinuations are tiresome. nt R B Garr Mar 2018 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Mar 2018 #4

Soooooo... 3sam3 Mar 2018 #6

Welcome to DU! Dennis Donovan Mar 2018 #8

I agree, and thank you for posting. femmedem Mar 2018 #10

Since when have Democrat not been behind those things? ehrnst Mar 2018 #51

Same as it ever was, and babylonsister Mar 2018 #11

Strange, isn't it?! demmiblue Mar 2018 #16

Thank you! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2018 #45

Welcome to DU. LongTomH Mar 2018 #46

Yup. +1 nt Arazi Mar 2018 #48

Bernie didn't invent those things ehrnst Mar 2018 #50

+1000 G_j Mar 2018 #57

+1 leftstreet Mar 2018 #68

++++1111 KPN Mar 2018 #83

Excellent! Owl Mar 2018 #7

Bernie attacks republicons! RandiFan1290 Mar 2018 #12

No, BS attacked the Democratic Cha Mar 2018 #13

No he didn't. CentralMass Mar 2018 #14

And, it's not the first time.. Cha Mar 2018 #15

Did you ever consider he might be right? nt babylonsister Mar 2018 #18

I don't have to consider it.. because Cha Mar 2018 #20

I'm so tired of the false claim that Democrats ignore the poor/middle class. betsuni Mar 2018 #25

Oh wow.. a friendly face! Cha Mar 2018 #29

You are one of the most dedicated Democratic supporters I've ever seen. betsuni Mar 2018 #31

lol Well... Cha Mar 2018 #34

Who makes that claim? What I hear is people KPN Mar 2018 #86

Low-income voters chose the Democratic candidate in the last election over the Republican. betsuni Mar 2018 #93

Did he insinuate that? I don't see that at all. Seems a stretch. KPN Mar 2018 #138

No he didn't. KPN Mar 2018 #85

Are you saying it is or isn't an attack? ehrnst Mar 2018 #47

That's definitely not bashing. I'm a Democrat and I agree with Bernie. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #88

So you are saying that you agree with Sanders that ehrnst Mar 2018 #95

Not as strong as we should be - yes aikoaiko Mar 2018 #100

What do you mean "Should be"? ehrnst Mar 2018 #102

Really? Are those words unknown to you? aikoaiko Mar 2018 #103

Nice try. I'm asking you to specify what you mean by that. ehrnst Mar 2018 #104

Currently we are helping Republicans deregulate the banks aikoaiko Mar 2018 #105

I guess if you want to see it that way....BS talked about the past as well. ehrnst Mar 2018 #106

The Iraq War Resolution and providing extra bankruptcy protections to to credit card companies aikoaiko Mar 2018 #107

That's it? Two times where Dems were "weak or lazy" (not as strong as they should be)? ehrnst Mar 2018 #109

i dont know. You should send him an email. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #112

But do the positions I listed "resonate" with you like when Dems "supported GOP positions" 2 times? ehrnst Mar 2018 #113

No, but I see youre trying to change the subject aikoaiko Mar 2018 #116

Actually, you avoided answering the question. ehrnst Mar 2018 #117

That's funny that you should cite cognitive dissonance. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #127

Let's unpack this: ehrnst Mar 2018 #129

Ok, so let me answer new questions. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #130

The two factors that all of these votes on that list have in common are: ehrnst Mar 2018 #131

Without rehashing everything, even if it is true that I don't hold Bernie to the same standards aikoaiko Mar 2018 #132

That wasn't the question, and no one here thinks that the party is beyond improvement. ehrnst Mar 2018 #134

I think we disagree on the metrics. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #136

What metrics do you think we differ on? ehrnst Mar 2018 #139

I have to end this with this reply and let you have the final word aikoaiko Mar 2018 #142

So Bernie, in this speech is appealing to the "disaffected on the left" ehrnst Mar 2018 #143

Mahalo for all the enlightening Cha Mar 2018 #115

+1 betsuni Mar 2018 #118

OMG TWO TIMES. betsuni Mar 2018 #120

Can you imagine... Hortensis Mar 2018 #119

So you are saying that you agree with Sanders that ehrnst Mar 2018 #96

No...he is not right...and should stop saying stuff like that. We need to win in 18 and 20...sour Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #70

+1 KPN Mar 2018 #84

Thanks Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #125

And the truth hurts?! Paka Mar 2018 #19

No, the truth is Wonderful. BS Cha Mar 2018 #22

This (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #110

Mahalo, Cha Mar 2018 #114

I'm a life long Democrat and i see nothing wrong with his comments.. CentralMass Mar 2018 #24

Well, I do. No one is ignoring the issues.. the Democratic Cha Mar 2018 #26

There are no issues...that concern Sanders who is not a Democrat and has been treated Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #71

Soooo... 3sam3 Mar 2018 #27

the quote is wrong. Cha Mar 2018 #28

If you are going to leave may I suggest you spend every waking moment dedicated to Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Mar 2018 #91

This last election is meaningless... some Sanders supporters and others apparently fell for the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #72

I'll never forget when he called for "death to the dino fascist wing of the Dem" QC Mar 2018 #21

Everybody is over that but you ... you Cha Mar 2018 #23

What in the hell is with pulling really old quotes from board members here? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #53

Oh yeah.. it's their go to.. Cha Mar 2018 #65

Many here see it just the opposite. That's why it's foolish. KPN Mar 2018 #87

Yeah, the only ones who drag that out Cha Mar 2018 #94

Huh? I wasn't saying anything about 2008. My comment was about KPN Mar 2018 #140

Ok.. sorry then.. I butted in. n/t Cha Mar 2018 #141

Illuminating link RandiFan1290 Mar 2018 #30

Oh yeah? From 10 years ago.. what Cha Mar 2018 #36

Some folks are angry that others can evolve, learn, etc. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #54

Mahalo, Eliot.. Everyone Cha Mar 2018 #64

Exactly! I guess no one can change their mind about Bernie! R B Garr Mar 2018 #137

Really? You dug up a TEN YEAR OLD POST on a previous iteration of DU? Wow.... George II Mar 2018 #61

Yes, that's their MO, George.. Cha Mar 2018 #66

I bet there are other quotes out there that you might not like so much...not cool. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #74

The opinions change... SixString Mar 2018 #111

If only he'd campaigned that hard during the 2016 General Election...nt SidDithers Mar 2018 #32

Thanks, Sid Cha Mar 2018 #37

Boy, you got it there GaryCnf Mar 2018 #39

Nailed it. "If only" ... is the perfect observation. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #42

+1 yes, like the primary that he was in is the only thing that R B Garr Mar 2018 #55

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #99

Sanders repeats his stump speech from the early 1900's. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #43

''...more personal campaign rallies in the last three weeks than he did for Clinton..." marble falls Mar 2018 #63

And it will all be for nothing...he will not win a Democratic Primary in 20...we have moved on... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #69

Yes, indeed... "fresh faces" and... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #73

I feel sad for them...being a Deaniac, I well remember how it hurt, but I voted for Kerry and did Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #75

Agree. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #101

Forget 2020. Think November 2018. marble falls Mar 2018 #80

Well insinuating that he was 'robbed' and sowing division...look at this thread...sure Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #126

Bernie is a part of the Democratic Party Leadership and charged with outreach aikoaiko Mar 2018 #108

A job created for him that never existed before...and no offense, but I have not seen much evidence Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #121

He is not doing a good job. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #146

Absolutely. No Bernie Sanders run or Hillary Clinton run either. No one my age or older. But in .... marble falls Mar 2018 #144

I agree completely. I want to turn out the vote and spewing insults at the Democratic Party will not Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #145

Bernie's consistency, especially compared to others, is what many people like about him. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #89

I don't think he has widespread support...consider that we don't know how much the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #122

Thank you, Bernie. There aren't many who can walk into AZ and bring in Democrats and lefties aikoaiko Mar 2018 #90

I prefer precincts to rallies. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #123

Sure, but rallies can help bring people to voting precints. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #128

I don't call what he did outreach...I am giving him the benefit of the doubt ...but just like Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #133

"but these rallies...I don't see the point" --- I see the point. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #147