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chowder66

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174. It wasn't meant to be a straw man if you cared to ask.

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:50 PM

Mar 2018

The approval ratings for Democrats are painfully skewed in my opinion. This is due to the media and anyone else that constantly states this is the worst Congress ever for the last I don't know how many years.

It's the republican congress that's horrible.

As for thinking it would hurt or help other Democrats, it may help those running in conservative districts but messaging should be strong enough that they don't have to run against each other. That's were it gets dangerous. There are plenty of progressives that support Pelosi. Should every democrat play to the sentiment of a few in every district? Pit dem against dem? That's a losing strategy.

If Lamb would have lost had he supported Pelosi, and it was only by denouncing Pelosi that got him over the top, then that is well played. In that district, for that seat. But did it take enough over the edge to help him win? Maybe. Did he lose any votes by denouncing her? Maybe.

We will never know for sure.

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One thing REALLY bothers me about Lamb's campaign: [View all] RandomAccess Mar 2018 OP

Politicians have had their come-to-jesus moment before Lint Head Mar 2018 #1

Yes. This. dameatball Mar 2018 #81

It is also age-ist, but we need new blood.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #2

The other side of that coin is -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #7

We need someone new at the helm. Pelosi is old school and old news. Time for CHANGE. LBM20 Mar 2018 #15

What specific changes are you hoping for? LanternWaste Mar 2018 #45

Ad hominum attacks are unnecessary and marybourg Mar 2018 #78

Frankly this isn't about age titaniumsalute Mar 2018 #100

Who? Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #145

Just no.....this is not the time to experiment with unknowns BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #182

she would not win if she ran in lamb's district ollie10 Mar 2018 #46

Pelosi didn't need to win PA-18 Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #60

I think you were missing my point ollie10 Mar 2018 #69

didn't miss it; don't agree with it Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #73

Lamb won by less than 1000 votes ollie10 Mar 2018 #77

Lamb did not run in CA Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #83

I think the issue was whether would endorse Pelosi for SPEAKER ollie10 Mar 2018 #95

I get that you don't like Pelosi Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #97

so you are trying to silence me? ollie10 Mar 2018 #106

I did not Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #183

Denial ollie10 Mar 2018 #190

Why would a candidate "endorse" an already elected official from another state mcar Mar 2018 #89

No speaker will win in districts. they are hated by the other side...thus Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #109

you are apparently unaware of just how strong the anti-Pelosi thing is out there in the real world ollie10 Mar 2018 #114

Shes one of the most liberal voices we have, and her constituents keep voting for her emulatorloo Mar 2018 #9

Sounds like you enjoy losing elections and don't want to be a big tent national party.Goody for you. LBM20 Mar 2018 #13

Did you mean to address your post to me? emulatorloo Mar 2018 #16

We just won... first of all so maybe you should consider your words more carefully. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #117

We need to win ollie10 Mar 2018 #23

And You Don't Get Anything Done Me. Mar 2018 #115

how old does she have to be before we want to develop new leadership? ollie10 Mar 2018 #138

Why Is Age The Qualifier Me. Mar 2018 #156

My problem is I don't like 29% approval ratings and I don't like D losses ollie10 Mar 2018 #160

So Nancy Is Solely Responsible For The Dems Approval Rating? Me. Mar 2018 #168

I was not talking about D rstings. 29% is Pelosi' ollie10 Mar 2018 #169

So Let's See, The Cons Made Nancy The PUnching Bag In The Lamb Race Me. Mar 2018 #170

Lamb said he would not vote for pelosi ollie10 Mar 2018 #171

Of Course He Did Me. Mar 2018 #173

She's at 29% ollie10 Mar 2018 #175

Why Would I Me. Mar 2018 #180

He won. And he refused to endorse her. The two facts are related. ollie10 Mar 2018 #191

Like I Said Me. Mar 2018 #192

I am not being snarky here, I would like to know who you think would make a good Speaker Exotica Mar 2018 #185

Let the caucus decide ollie10 Mar 2018 #186

do you think Obama would go for it? Exotica Mar 2018 #187

But isn't your comment also ageist? pandr32 Mar 2018 #41

Sure it is age-ist and I collect social security so I am no spring chicken ollie10 Mar 2018 #44

I am glad you admit it is pandr32 Mar 2018 #57

The Rs would love nothing more than for Pelosi to be their target ollie10 Mar 2018 #66

let 'em Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #74

No. I just don't want to make their job any easier ollie10 Mar 2018 #79

Perhaps you are wrong pandr32 Mar 2018 #91

Me either pandr32 Mar 2018 #87

You win by playing smart ollie10 Mar 2018 #178

I like Pelosi. We won. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #181

In 2010 we lost ollie10 Mar 2018 #184

They will slam whoever is in her spot pandr32 Mar 2018 #86

we would be more effective if we had somebody else ollie10 Mar 2018 #92

your hypothesis is unproven Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #96

we don't have to say who is going to be speaker ollie10 Mar 2018 #105

I completely disagree pandr32 Mar 2018 #107

do you have something against developing new leadership? ollie10 Mar 2018 #111

What a strange argument pandr32 Mar 2018 #146

You too ollie10 Mar 2018 #149

So....we hide our candidates because the GOP will attack them. bettyellen Mar 2018 #116

it is a house election ollie10 Mar 2018 #125

We don't have to hide them bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #126

Why not simply trust the caucus? ollie10 Mar 2018 #179

No secret voting pandr32 Mar 2018 #202

I was referring to the caucus in the house.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #203

Okay. They have a secret ballot at least. pandr32 Mar 2018 #204

Fair enough! ollie10 Mar 2018 #205

Sounds like you are not only ceding the narrative to the republicans Eko Mar 2018 #177

I doubt Pelosi gives a shit. She has a thick skin emulatorloo Mar 2018 #3

Excellent post. GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #11

He could call her a 3 legged duck with the brains of a 5 legged giraffe, as long as he wins Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #76

Hat's off to you! pandr32 Mar 2018 #94

IMPORTANT QUESTION: You couldn't - possibly - let us have one day to be glad? Glorfindel Mar 2018 #4

I'm sorry -- it's been bothering me for quite a while RandomAccess Mar 2018 #10

It bothered all of us too njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #104

Remember, Saccone Used That As An Attack Point ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #5

Yes, I know -- and specified same RandomAccess Mar 2018 #8

It had to be done. bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #6

Why is she vastly unpopular? One reason and one reason only RandomAccess Mar 2018 #14

She is a Pacific coast liberal, old school establishment, and does not play in red-leaning areas. LBM20 Mar 2018 #20

This is fucking stupid. alarimer Mar 2018 #28

Not to mention that she is from Baltimore DFW Mar 2018 #144

I think some would rather be pure and whine when they lose..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #29

I think some are being unnecessarily divisive and I have to wonder why...who cares Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #113

let's not be devisive, let's all support the new generation of Democratic leadership ollie10 Mar 2018 #118

OH NO A Loss Me. Mar 2018 #193

Lamb won. Lamb refused to endorse Pelosi. Do you oppose Lamb? ollie10 Mar 2018 #194

Such Silliness On Your Part Me. Mar 2018 #196

Don't want to answer the questions I see ollie10 Mar 2018 #198

Again Such Silliness Me. Mar 2018 #199

OK. Have a good day ollie10 Mar 2018 #200

I Intend To Me. Mar 2018 #201

I like how left liberals are Quote ESTABLISHMENT UnQuote here at DU emulatorloo Mar 2018 #30

Yes, we are, which is why we find this regurgitation of GOP talking points troubling. Ninsianna Mar 2018 #37

Well said emulatorloo Mar 2018 #67

In Winning At All Odds... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #153

So are you arguing that it is a good thing that we have a leader that is demonized? ollie10 Mar 2018 #26

WHAT??? RandomAccess Mar 2018 #32

Doesnt matter who our leadership is. GOP propagandists will lie about and demonize them n/t emulatorloo Mar 2018 #72

true enough. all the more reason to not give them an easy target ollie10 Mar 2018 #75

They will make anyone the target...they will find something. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #120

last night did not support your hypothesis ollie10 Mar 2018 #128

So you're saying that the only reason people voted for Lamb is because he shunned Pelosi? chowder66 Mar 2018 #154

No I am not saying that.....but nice straw man!!! ollie10 Mar 2018 #159

It wasn't meant to be a straw man if you cared to ask. chowder66 Mar 2018 #174

If there was a better reason Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #148

If she, at 29% approval, makes it difficult to get the house majority, she won't get to serve either ollie10 Mar 2018 #150

Here's how he could have handled it -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #98

Pelosi is toxic in that district and others. It wasn't personal, and YES, it is time for NEW BLOOD. LBM20 Mar 2018 #12

No...we keep our experienced leader to fight Trump ...so forget it. And the right will hate Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #127

Conor Lamb (and Seth Moulton) are the future of this party. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2018 #17

Ugh RandomAccess Mar 2018 #21

I certainly hope not. alarimer Mar 2018 #35

I think Lamb is a Seth Moulton guy who is a Tim Ryan guy. They are of a contingent seaglass Mar 2018 #18

Me either. RandomAccess Mar 2018 #19

I do because we need new blood. It isn't personal, but the party has been smashed to pieces all over LBM20 Mar 2018 #22

I totally disagree. babylonsister Mar 2018 #27

I don't think the issue is whether the Rs like her ollie10 Mar 2018 #40

Had her turn? MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #31

She isnt in the Senate. Agschmid Mar 2018 #51

Sorry, you are right. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #59

Weird that your complaints are personal and gender based. Ninsianna Mar 2018 #42

+1 RandomAccess Mar 2018 #52

The leadership was not to blame for 16. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #131

Beyond asinine to associate 16 with any democrat, this is height of bashing after all the evidence uponit7771 Mar 2018 #163

Now is NOT the time for this jberryhill Mar 2018 #24

Exactly n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #34

Why not? And when IS the right time? RandomAccess Mar 2018 #50

Context Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #56

You know, Tom RandomAccess Mar 2018 #63

Yes, "calls for unity" are sometimes used as a weapon against the growth of same Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #65

Good. I'll look for your calls for unity RandomAccess Mar 2018 #93

You mean like on the one some might say was started to trash me? Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #123

I have no idea what you're referring to -- should I? RandomAccess Mar 2018 #134

Well I will leave you a link to a thread I recently started Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #141

I'm sorry, Tom RandomAccess Mar 2018 #142

No, no, absolutely not. I have no complaint toward you whatsoever Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #143

I don't understand how Pelosi became such a lightning rod for the right. alarimer Mar 2018 #25

All they have to do is start demonizing and voila! Rightwing lightning rod RandomAccess Mar 2018 #33

When will some supposedly on are side stop letting the GOP call the tune...seriously, we need to Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #137

That's the way I feel about it -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #139

They will hate any speaker we choose...and they tolerated a damned child Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #189

Not to mention Roy Moore RandomAccess Mar 2018 #195

Very true...and some only tolerate Trump and voted for him in order to get Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #197

Their kind of politics needs a scapegoat Orange Free State Mar 2018 #36

She was very effective, and that's their whole problem. n/t LisaM Mar 2018 #38

+1 on only right-wing house Democrats want Pelosi out emulatorloo Mar 2018 #39

Lamb needs to represent HIS constituents. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #43

Notice, that's NOT what I addressed RandomAccess Mar 2018 #48

To repeat myself RE: his campaign. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #58

Sorry, I don't understand you. Presumably how he waged his campaign was how he won. Demit Mar 2018 #64

No -- here's how he could have handled it RandomAccess Mar 2018 #101

I'm not going in search of your answer, thanks. Demit Mar 2018 #124

You're kidding, right? RandomAccess Mar 2018 #129

Sure. I would if you made one. Demit Mar 2018 #155

His opposition to Pelosi as House Minority or Majority leader is because the right wing ideology still_one Mar 2018 #47

Oh, I "understand" it just fine -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #49

Pelosi has been a GOP boogie woman crazycatlady Mar 2018 #53

He doesn't need to be a leader. He is not running for president JI7 Mar 2018 #54

If you let them whack Nancy, they'll demonize someone else for the next round dalton99a Mar 2018 #55

It was his only choice. bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #61

I'm fine with Conor Lamb dalton99a Mar 2018 #62

a much better choice: RandomAccess Mar 2018 #102

That's a good way of straddling a fine line, but it still embraces her too much. bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #119

Exactly RandomAccess Mar 2018 #70

Like any effective Speaker/Minority Leader romana Mar 2018 #68

Well said. RandomAccess Mar 2018 #71

Quite Me. Mar 2018 #122

+1. Jonathan Alter, who I usually like, was on his anti-Pelosi high horse last night. The argument Tarheel_Dem Mar 2018 #172

he beat them at their own game Skittles Mar 2018 #80

No, not at all. He surrendered to their game RandomAccess Mar 2018 #103

no, he took away their talking point Skittles Mar 2018 #147

We're up against the right wing hate machine. Turbineguy Mar 2018 #82

Right, he capitulated to it. RandomAccess Mar 2018 #88

I imagine he will quickly learn how effective she is mcar Mar 2018 #84

I posted this in that other thread mcar Mar 2018 #85

What ELSE he could have said -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #90

A good addition! mcar Mar 2018 #99

Would have been a good effort, but it wouldn't have worked. bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #110

Maybe so, maybe not mcar Mar 2018 #133

Unimportant, the GOP was trying to paint him as a Nancy Pelosi Democrat...super liberal... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #108

There was another, BETTER way to handle it -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #112

I agree with your points but also think it likely EffieBlack Mar 2018 #121

Nancy doesn't give a flying fuck what Conor had to do to get elected. We are fighting Nazis here. MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #130

+++++1000 and if I neglected to welcome you...let me fix that...Welcome. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #136

Thank you! That's quite a nice welcome! MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #162

Belated but heartfelt. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #188

I'm pretty sure you got that right.. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #157

Me, too. Unlike Trump, Pelosi knows it's not about her. She's got a job to do for the people MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #164

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2018 #165

I agree. I think the party has bernie-itis where we pretend infighting is as important as Corvo Bianco Mar 2018 #132

first things first Timewas Mar 2018 #135

He hasn't yet worked with Pelosi. He will. DFW Mar 2018 #151

Exactly! mountain grammy Mar 2018 #158

+1 RandomAccess Mar 2018 #166

Nancy has been Targeted by the Same Misogynistic Trolls as Hillary dlk Mar 2018 #152

Unfortunately, too true RandomAccess Mar 2018 #167

It is definitely a matter for discussion. kentuck Mar 2018 #161

Bothers me too, but I file it under "LFT" Sparkly Mar 2018 #176

I am going to steal that. Sorry MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #206

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