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Stinky The Clown

(68,907 posts) Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:29 AM Mar 2018

So, let's say Pelosi gets replaced by (insert name here). Do you think that will stop the . . . . [View all]

. . . . vilification of the Democratic House leader?

If you actually think that, maybe you need to look around and study history. Politicians in ANY leadership position are vilified. Compare Trump and Obama, Bush and Clinton. We do it. They do it. It is what is done. Always has been. Always will be.

What can be said by the GOP in opposition to Pelosi is that she needs to go because She Is Good At Her Job. Indeed, if she is not the most effective Democratic leader, she is in the top five. Ever.

So please. Just stop saying she is a lightening rod. You sound silly when you do. She is a lightening rod because of the position she holds, particularly with no Dem president. What you should be worried about is if she were not a lightening rod.

The degree to which a political leader is a lightening rod is directly proportional to their power and/or effectiveness as a leader.

Got it?

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So, let's say Pelosi gets replaced by (insert name here). Do you think that will stop the . . . . [View all] Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 OP

why the hell are we letting Rethuglican disdain for Pelosi determine OUR leadership? hlthe2b Mar 2018 #1

Absolutely correct. And yet it is there. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #3

So many don't even bother to educate themselves as to what she HAS accomplished AND hlthe2b Mar 2018 #7

And they have no clue what a Speaker/Leader actually does EffieBlack Mar 2018 #17

I supported Nancy P. right up until she said: "The Impeachment of George W. Bush is OFF THE TABLE." vkkv Mar 2018 #84

"You" don't vote for the Speaker. There's a reason for that. ehrnst Mar 2018 #107

Your argument just keeps getting further and further from the subject and I'm guessing that is vkkv Mar 2018 #122

No, I'm reiterating the topic when you try to change what you said. ehrnst Mar 2018 #140

Maybe those of us that are Dems that would like to see someone new Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #4

Wow. You win this thread. Ageism AND sexism. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #6

Oh, blah Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #10

And since when has the Minority Leader had the responsibility to ehrnst Mar 2018 #81

Never said her job was to get out the vote. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #95

Actually you said this: ehrnst Mar 2018 #100

Yup. Notice nowhere in there do I say she is responsible for GOTV campaigns Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #104

Moving the goalposts again ehrnst Mar 2018 #135

Good grief. Atman Mar 2018 #270

No. ehrnst Mar 2018 #273

Geeeezzzuzzz.. vkkv Mar 2018 #125

Gawwwwwwwwdddd.... ehrnst Mar 2018 #136

If being turned on is a requirement then we get more Trump empty suits. Not good. bettyellen Mar 2018 #239

Or just wealthier Taylor Swifts. Can't force caring Hortensis Mar 2018 #250

What evidence do you have that she turns off the largest voting block EffieBlack Mar 2018 #248

:) Repubs, Russia and...these all bashing Pelosi after PA. Hortensis Mar 2018 #251

Thank you n/t emulatorloo Mar 2018 #296

Funny not funny how Pelosi needs to go because Republicans hate her for being too liberal EffieBlack Mar 2018 #299

Yeah I notice that too ... emulatorloo Mar 2018 #300

Okie dokey. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #170

"Partly" Being the operative term EffieBlack Mar 2018 #177

True this. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #179

Funny how that works, isn't it? mcar Mar 2018 #184

Incorrect and irrelevant. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #201

The Minority Leader is part of the team, but the responsibility for winning races EffieBlack Mar 2018 #206

Are you complaining about this stuff to me because you think that's what I think? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #209

I'm not "complaining" to you about anything. I'm responding to your comments EffieBlack Mar 2018 #210

That's quite an accomplishment, as I didn't say anything about Pelosi, Lamb, or Ossof. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #227

Where is that in the job description? ehrnst Mar 2018 #178

Do the words "formal and informal" confuse you? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #193

Does the job of the DCCC confuse you? ehrnst Mar 2018 #202

No, I'm pretty well-educated. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #207

Being well-educated myself ehrnst Mar 2018 #213

Sure you do. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #230

Reality isn't always fun ehrnst Mar 2018 #244

Pelosi raised $47,600,000 for the DCCC 2017. lapucelle Mar 2018 #258

Money did not win the Lamb/ Saccone election. True Blue American Mar 2018 #262

No one Lamb won the PA special election because of money. N/T lapucelle Mar 2018 #266

In Spite Of True Blue American Mar 2018 #267

That's a difference without a distinction. N/T lapucelle Mar 2018 #269

Matter of choice of words! True Blue American Mar 2018 #274

Not in spite of. ehrnst Mar 2018 #315

I am aware of that. True Blue American Mar 2018 #317

Money does indeed help. If you don't have it, you can't win. ehrnst Mar 2018 #314

Who mentioned Pelosi True Blue American Mar 2018 #318

The person you retorted to with your claim "Money did not win the Lamb/ Saccone election." ehrnst Mar 2018 #321

Rant? True Blue American Mar 2018 #322

Yes, rant. ehrnst Mar 2018 #324

Sorry to disagree, but pazzyanne Mar 2018 #118

Well said! mcar Mar 2018 #183

All of this! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #203

The largest voting block in 2016 was those over 65, second highest was 45-64. George II Mar 2018 #199

That's the percentage of the age group that voted. Not the population of the age group in total. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #204

You're right, I missed that. But from your link and mine, older are roughly equal to younger.... George II Mar 2018 #208

Yeah, the number breakdowns are hard in both, agreed. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #211

I think its wrong that you double down on the ageism BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #246

"There is NO ONE in the Senate I trust more right now, than Pelosi..." Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #247

Is that how you read it? Figures BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #260

Pelosi isn't in the Senate. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #272

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #77

I voted Leave... SidDithers Mar 2018 #94

Good to know that you support Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #96

That's very offensive. Should be removed or self-deleted. vkkv Mar 2018 #102

Life is kind of ageist. We do slow down as we become older. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #127

Only some of us never became any wiser, though. Hortensis Mar 2018 #252

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #316

case in point. hlthe2b Mar 2018 #8

Hard to retort to that stellar argumentation. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #11

Please explain what specific value youth brings to the Speakers job EffieBlack Mar 2018 #18

First, I'm not saying put in an unqualified youth. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #23

The job of the speaker is not about getting votes out. drray23 Mar 2018 #32

I didn't say it was about getting votes out. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #34

you demonstrate azureblue Mar 2018 #86

+1 EffieBlack Mar 2018 #89

It is a party leadership role, yes? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #92

"The face of the Party" ehrnst Mar 2018 #103

You don't think Paul Ryan is a face of the Republican Party? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #108

I didn't say anything about Ryan. ehrnst Mar 2018 #126

Is Paul Ryan a face of the Republican Party? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #131

A face. Not THE face EffieBlack Mar 2018 #142

Yes A face. DT and Pence more so. ehrnst Mar 2018 #146

Again with the strawmen... ehrnst Mar 2018 #155

Oh, WRONG argument, Cuth. :) Hortensis Mar 2018 #253

BINGO! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #255

Facts fall on deaf ears here. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #281

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #105

Oh so it's now the job of the Minority Leader to be "the face of the party." ehrnst Mar 2018 #101

Since forever Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #111

Third actually. ehrnst Mar 2018 #129

2nd actually. Vice President and then Speaker of the House. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #132

Ah yes. The counting starts at number two. ehrnst Mar 2018 #156

Oh, so when you tried to correct me it wasn't about victories, right? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #164

I did, didn't I? ehrnst Mar 2018 #167

Pelosi is not Speaker True Blue American Mar 2018 #319

We are talking generically about the role of Speaker Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #320

I know you do. True Blue American Mar 2018 #325

The Speaker is a party leadership role EffieBlack Mar 2018 #44

SUPERB post RandomAccess Mar 2018 #46

Thank you. No one seemed to be ragging on Gephart or O'Neill for not "appealing to the young'uns" ehrnst Mar 2018 #76

The speaker is SECOND in line for the Presidency Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #113

Don't misstate what I wrote. I said "primarily" not "just" EffieBlack Mar 2018 #138

This clarifies the issue so well mcar Mar 2018 #188

Yes, you did say "primarily." Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #191

Again with the strawmen... ehrnst Mar 2018 #157

That's not the job of Minority Leader ehrnst Mar 2018 #75

Before I start True Blue American Mar 2018 #139

You didn't answer my question EffieBlack Mar 2018 #153

Did I say that? True Blue American Mar 2018 #172

Question EffieBlack Mar 2018 #192

How could I possibly answer that question? True Blue American Mar 2018 #216

If you dont know enough about the Speakers job to explain why younger person EffieBlack Mar 2018 #218

I thought I explained in several posts True Blue American Mar 2018 #221

If the Speakers primary job was to come up with new ideas, I might agree with you. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #224

Pelosi has not been Speaker True Blue American Mar 2018 #263

My point applies to the Leader as well EffieBlack Mar 2018 #278

Pelosi is not the Speaker. Paul Ryan is. lapucelle Mar 2018 #259

Yeah, fuck experience and sheer raw talent RandomAccess Mar 2018 #45

Well, those are two different things. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #49

They may have talent, but they dont have experience they need to be a Speaker EffieBlack Mar 2018 #58

So who does have the experience, then? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #205

You're right - I should have been more specific EffieBlack Mar 2018 #214

I can understand that, then. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #215

Bookers great, but he doesnt have the temperament or interest in being Senate Leader EffieBlack Mar 2018 #219

So Far True Blue American Mar 2018 #261

Yes, I know - you keep saying that we need someone else because new ideas EffieBlack Mar 2018 #277

Why don't you ask the colleagues that keep selecting her for the job? ehrnst Mar 2018 #66

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2018 #57

"New" isn't a rational reason for replacing effective, that's good for curtains not for people uponit7771 Mar 2018 #56

What is the precise and relevant definition of "new blood?" LanternWaste Mar 2018 #70

People with new ideas True Blue American Mar 2018 #147

Who is "doing nothing" in congress? ehrnst Mar 2018 #173

Good luck. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #185

Or "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" ehrnst Mar 2018 #187

Yep, I'm with you. Pelosi already had a go-around at Speaker. vkkv Mar 2018 #74

Then you need to convince those colleagues that keep voting her in ehrnst Mar 2018 #90

We aren't discussing her colleagues though, are we.. vkkv Mar 2018 #99

Um... they're the ones who voted her as Minority Leader, and Speaker ehrnst Mar 2018 #109

Um, we're talking about Pelosi as leader - not who elected for the position. vkkv Mar 2018 #115

Again... you keep changing the topic in order to be able to contradict ehrnst Mar 2018 #121

The 190 or so Democratic members of the House are the people who elected her their leader. George II Mar 2018 #194

Thank you! True Blue American Mar 2018 #151

Most people love their Grandmas pandr32 Mar 2018 #114

Except for straight white men under 30.... ehrnst Mar 2018 #168

I loved my Grandma True Blue American Mar 2018 #265

New is not necessarily better peggysue2 Mar 2018 #186

THANK you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #14

Well, isn't the reverse true? zipplewrath Mar 2018 #21

So you're saying that Nancy Pelosi is the reason that ehrnst Mar 2018 #133

Actually that's why zipplewrath Mar 2018 #144

But we didn't lose Obama in 2012. ehrnst Mar 2018 #165

Don't know where to start zipplewrath Mar 2018 #180

No, she doesn't run the DCCC. Ray Ben Lujan does. He is the chairman. Not Nancy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #182

The speaker runs everything zipplewrath Mar 2018 #286

No, she doesn't run the DCCC. Ray Ben Lujan does. ehrnst Mar 2018 #288

She's the chairman of the board zipplewrath Mar 2018 #290

No, she's not on a "board" ehrnst Mar 2018 #291

Yes, she "over sees" zipplewrath Mar 2018 #301

Semantics is confusing "overseeing" with "running the day to day operations of" ehrnst Mar 2018 #306

Upon that we can agree zipplewrath Mar 2018 #309

I'm with you on that. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #310

Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House when Obama was elected President EffieBlack Mar 2018 #294

I know. All of the blame, and none of the credit. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #298

The Speaker of the House is not responsible for party building EffieBlack Mar 2018 #293

Yes, she is zipplewrath Mar 2018 #302

You seem to be having trouble grasping the difference between supporting an effort EffieBlack Mar 2018 #304

But she is not devoid of responsibility zipplewrath Mar 2018 #308

So, youve gone from She runs everything to shes not devoid of responsibility EffieBlack Mar 2018 #311

She does "run" the DCCC zipplewrath Mar 2018 #312

Ok. Whatever. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #313

Bingo. We didn't let them stop us from nominating Barack Obama. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #54

Obama was young and new.. Your point ? vkkv Mar 2018 #78

I supported Nancy P. right up until she said: "The Impeachment of George W. Bush is OFF THE TABLE." vkkv Mar 2018 #82

He was villified by the GOP. ehrnst Mar 2018 #83

Obama was young and new. A fresh face with NEW IDEAS vkkv Mar 2018 #85

Oh, so now it's her age. ehrnst Mar 2018 #91

What specifically about being young makes someone a more effective Speaker EffieBlack Mar 2018 #93

Then let's pretend, for your sake, that Nancy P. was only 49 but had already been Speaker while vkkv Mar 2018 #149

Since it's not the Speaker's job to win elections, probably yes EffieBlack Mar 2018 #169

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #175

Um... Obama got re-elected in 2012 not 2014 ehrnst Mar 2018 #181

I remember at the time many considered him way cooler (largely because he was younger) deurbano Mar 2018 #134

Obama came with less baggage and therefore a smaller, more difficult target for the opposition. vkkv Mar 2018 #141

Oh, so if it's a bad outcome, it's Nancy's fault for being at the helm, if it's a good outcome ehrnst Mar 2018 #161

Yeah - thats pretty much it in a nutshell EffieBlack Mar 2018 #295

I get whiplash sometimes in this topic ehrnst Mar 2018 #297

But I still think Clinton would have won that general election. deurbano Mar 2018 #196

The GOP vilification doesn't mean what you think it does. Obama would have likely gotten re-elected vkkv Mar 2018 #130

Nancy was "at the helm" in 2008 and 2012 when Obama won. ehrnst Mar 2018 #158

Obama won in 2008 & 2012. In 2012 Dems lost House. Nancy lost as Speaker in 2012 and Dems lost vkkv Mar 2018 #166

Most of the time the party that came into the WH loses greatly the following mid term. ehrnst Mar 2018 #190

Ive said this before, but I guess I can repeat it; GWC58 Mar 2018 #254

Sorry, but we have candidates who are winning because they disagree with you BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #2

Why do you think they are running against her? el_bryanto Mar 2018 #5

Because she is a recognizable brand with very high negatives BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #16

I'm not sure it's besides the point el_bryanto Mar 2018 #19

The argument is a number of our candidates pay a steep price when they're associated with her BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #22

Why do they pay that price though? el_bryanto Mar 2018 #27

What exactly is the "status quo" that offends you that she "defends?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #60

Not hard; our House members are blocked by seniority rules in a way that Republicans are not BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #88

If a talented person wanted that position, then they would be ehrnst Mar 2018 #116

Chairs should be term limited True Blue American Mar 2018 #264

It's not a "lifetime job" - it's a two year term. ehrnst Mar 2018 #282

The argument from Dems that would like a new leader is absolutely NOT that she is too liberal. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #31

Well I guess maybe i'm missing the thread here el_bryanto Mar 2018 #41

I may be reading too much into the OP, but I don't think so. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #42

So, trashing Pelosi will "gets us the House?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #59

We are not trashing Pelosi. True Blue American Mar 2018 #275

So, if Pelosi is "one of the worst" ehrnst Mar 2018 #279

Of course cannabis_flower Mar 2018 #62

This BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #64

One candidate. And Congressional Democrats choose their leader by majority vote. ehrnst Mar 2018 #55

The writing is on the wall BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #65

Yes, there are some wishful thinkers out there. ehrnst Mar 2018 #160

And running away from her would be malpractice in other places EffieBlack Mar 2018 #97

WHERE is this anti-Pelosi stuff coming from, Hortensis Mar 2018 #245

I have no idea, but it pops up in force every few weeks. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #256

Lol. I heard a couple wishful lies like that today also. Hortensis Mar 2018 #257

A-fricken-men! Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #9

Bravo! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #13

Another question aside from villification Zambero Mar 2018 #15

Yours is a different argument - and not without some merit. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #20

Yes, voting for representatives is a form of term limits Zambero Mar 2018 #28

I am of the belief that "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #67

Nancy Pelosi has been under attack as long as I can remember. Greybnk48 Mar 2018 #24

K&R betsuni Mar 2018 #25

Let's leave Pelosi alone and let her do her job. PatrickforO Mar 2018 #26

I beg to differ but Pelosi is a lightening rod because is she far far far away from the beachbum bob Mar 2018 #29

Yup. Completely agree. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #33

The RepubliCONS hate her, and I LOVE it! Greybnk48 Mar 2018 #38

So why do her colleagues keep voting her to the position? ehrnst Mar 2018 #71

Not true shenmue Mar 2018 #73

We do True Blue American Mar 2018 #162

A few years ago jes06c Mar 2018 #30

+1 leftstreet Mar 2018 #232

Well the russian bots & their US counter parts aka republicans, sure want to get rid of her. kydo Mar 2018 #35

republicans absolutely do not want to get rid of pelosi, ever...its there only way to nationalize beachbum bob Mar 2018 #37

Oh don't worry, they still pull George Soros out of storage to beat up all the time. kydo Mar 2018 #39

The HATE her because she makes them look stupid! Greybnk48 Mar 2018 #40

Small point.. trump villifies himself.. Cha Mar 2018 #36

Happy Birthday Notorious RGB! NCTraveler Mar 2018 #50

lol.. Happy Birthday to you, dear Cha Mar 2018 #52

Ironic how they attack women Captain_New_York Mar 2018 #43

Tell that to Al Franken. BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #61

They had something on Franken that could be deployed at this particular time. ehrnst Mar 2018 #198

K&R Big Time. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2018 #47

Well, we'll just keep replacing people until we find one to their liking and approval dalton99a Mar 2018 #48

Apparently the qualifications have changed from Dick Gephart and Steny Hoyer. ehrnst Mar 2018 #72

Excellent point debsy Mar 2018 #51

PSA: A lightning rod is a valuable protective feature. eppur_se_muova Mar 2018 #53

I agree. But... SpankMe Mar 2018 #63

A seasoned professional who is excellent at her job. Yeah, she's got to go. flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #68

You, GO ON with your bad self EffieBlack Mar 2018 #225

The Rs will still attack Pelosi if she steps aside in her leadership role. stopbush Mar 2018 #69

Excellent point. dalton99a Mar 2018 #98

How about this instead, lets win the House in 2018, and then worry about who will be still_one Mar 2018 #79

Bingo! n/t billh58 Mar 2018 #117

Would that we could. Instead we get silly calls for Pelosi to . . . . step down? Resign? Hard Kari? Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #148

Amen to that! True Blue American Mar 2018 #223

+1 ffr Mar 2018 #80

No! Remember Harry Reid? He was enemy number 1 before pelosi..... getagrip_already Mar 2018 #87

And Harry cost us the Senate. True Blue American Mar 2018 #174

no, democratic voters cost us the senate.... getagrip_already Mar 2018 #189

Why are you blaming Obama for ACA not being as strong as you wanted? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #220

100% Correct on that. True Blue American Mar 2018 #222

because obama was so feckless.... getagrip_already Mar 2018 #236

Well, I guess you would know how it SHOULD have been done... EffieBlack Mar 2018 #238

Harry cost us the Senate? mcar Mar 2018 #195

By being a weak Leader. True Blue American Mar 2018 #217

Because if Reid hadnt changed the rules to stop the GOP obstruction and get Obamas nominees thru EffieBlack Mar 2018 #229

Not the DCCC? ehrnst Mar 2018 #197

No, its Pelosis Job EffieBlack Mar 2018 #231

OOOOOhhhhhh. Now I see. ehrnst Mar 2018 #243

Amen to that. "It is what is done." pandr32 Mar 2018 #106

Trolls and bots billh58 Mar 2018 #110

+10000 Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #152

Thank you! BadgerMom Mar 2018 #112

Yes I do Dorn Mar 2018 #119

For better or worse, she has a brand among Rethugs hueymahl Mar 2018 #120

So did Obama. ehrnst Mar 2018 #171

Pelosi isn't the problem. Democrats attacking her - Snap out of it and face towards the enemy! (n/t) FreepFryer Mar 2018 #123

Let people disagree on the matter. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #124

The GOP vilification doesn't mean what you think it does. Obama would have likely gotten re-elected vkkv Mar 2018 #128

So why do you think Obama got elected and re-elected with Nancy at the helm? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #143

GWB zipplewrath Mar 2018 #150

GWB "got elected because he ran to the left of Hillary?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #284

Yeah, pronoun abuse zipplewrath Mar 2018 #285

So he talked goals while she talked strategy to get there. ehrnst Mar 2018 #287

Yes zipplewrath Mar 2018 #289

I also worried that his relative lack of experience with DC hardball ehrnst Mar 2018 #303

We tend to blame the nominee zipplewrath Mar 2018 #305

Wrong, just SO wrong. Nancy was not Speaker in 2012 (sorry). duh.. vkkv Mar 2018 #154

Um... I didn't say she was speaker in 2012. ehrnst Mar 2018 #283

By a male without baggage...absolutely Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #137

Yes, and they despise people of color. Yet, Obama. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #145

I honestly do not True Blue American Mar 2018 #159

Of course not! mcar Mar 2018 #163

It's Always Been the Misogyny dlk Mar 2018 #176

Quite a discussion here Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #200

I guess it's not break time yet dalton99a Mar 2018 #212

Is someone the Democratic House Leader for life??? maxrandb Mar 2018 #226

No. Just as long as a majority of the Members continue to want her as their leader nt EffieBlack Mar 2018 #233

That would be my choice,too. True Blue American Mar 2018 #237

John Boner left when he was tired of dealing with party morons. He would still be there if . . . . Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #240

Well, Nancy is older than Boehner True Blue American Mar 2018 #241

Oh, so she's a "loser" now. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #242

Republicans have always and will always disparage Democrats. Lint Head Mar 2018 #228

Remember FDR? He WELCOMED the hate of the MFing republicans!!!! workinclasszero Mar 2018 #234

But but then we might offend their base! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #235

IKR? Yes we can't have that now, can we? grrrrrr workinclasszero Mar 2018 #249

You miss the point. The point is that the party needs FRESH LEADERSHIP. LBM20 Mar 2018 #268

We need FRESH LETTUCE. betsuni Mar 2018 #271

Perfect response EffieBlack Mar 2018 #280

+++ brer cat Mar 2018 #292

YES!!! (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #307

The GOP obviously fears Pelosi, bigly. dchill Mar 2018 #276

Nancy Pelosi doesn't care if you hate her Gothmog Mar 2018 #323

She's effective. nocalflea Mar 2018 #326