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nocalflea

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72. The worst thing we could do to Trump voters is turn them into Democrats. And our best revenge.

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:13 AM

Mar 2018

I agree that calling racists, racists, won't get them to vote for you.

People of good conscience do not vote for racists. Trump's racism was not hidden.

I care about my country and the welfare of all my fellow citizens and fellow residents, in general.

Do Trump voters deserve access to health care ?
I believe they do.

Do Trump voters deserve to earn a living wage ?
I believe they do.

Do Trump voters deserve the full protections of the constitution ?
I believe they do.

Do I like or respect Trump voters, in general ?
No I don't.

I have no problem with Trump voters voting for democrats. I hope they do. I hope they rub shoulders with democrats.
I hope they listen to democrats.

Most of all , I hope they learn from democrats. They could use an education.

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Many Trump voters voted for Obama. Many are not racist. Some are. Not all. That's just the fact. [View all] LBM20 Mar 2018 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #1

Alll Trump voters are not racist or sexist. Some are. Not all. Painting with one brush is LBM20 Mar 2018 #6

lol, they fucking voted for Trump. and most STILL support him. if they don't they are JI7 Mar 2018 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #11

No it isn't 'as bad' , it is their actions we judge. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #42

LOL- youre implying people here dont hate their bigotry? Bullshit. What a gross way to defend bettyellen Mar 2018 #59

At some point they are either racist or misogynistic treestar Mar 2018 #60

I've been saying this for awhile...It wasn't that simple. whathehell Mar 2018 #73

OK WestIndianArchie Mar 2018 #105

voting for Obama doesn't mean they can't be racist. Obama's numbers among white people went down JI7 Mar 2018 #2

That makes me feel sooo much better. Xipe Totec Mar 2018 #3

No one is saying it was good to vote for Trump. But we need to understand why it happened, and it LBM20 Mar 2018 #7

racist and misogynist goes together WhiteTara Mar 2018 #33

The Russian interference elected Trump who lost the popular vote...nothing to be Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #41

They tolerated racist bleatings from trump throughout his campaign and still voted for him. brush Mar 2018 #88

Any Obama voter who voted for Trump who still TODAY supports Trump, cant be Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #126

Democrats have been getting more votes at the National Level. just because it doesn't include JI7 Mar 2018 #4

Majority of whites have not "voted Republican since Civil rights" whathehell Mar 2018 #69

Thats not true EffieBlack Mar 2018 #76

It is true. whathehell Mar 2018 #100

Here are the facts EffieBlack Mar 2018 #110

I don't know where you got those "facts". whathehell Mar 2018 #116

My source is detailed right on the graphic EffieBlack Mar 2018 #117

My claim is hardly "baseless" whathehell Mar 2018 #118

Since you have offered no basis for your claim, yes, it is indeed baseless EffieBlack Mar 2018 #125

Huh? whathehell Mar 2018 #130

I have corrected my typo. On the other hand, you have still not offered anything to support EffieBlack Mar 2018 #144

Lol whathehell Mar 2018 #148

The sources see right there at the bottom of the graph. John Fante Mar 2018 #160

The sources are right at the bottom of the graphic. stevenleser Mar 2018 #161

That's nice.. whathehell Mar 2018 #185

If there is a statistic showing the Democrats winning John Fante Mar 2018 #195

No, there arent more than one set of statistics on that stevenleser Mar 2018 #214

Nice try.. whathehell Mar 2018 #216

I don't need to try. You have failed to produce anything that supports you. Thats the way things stevenleser Mar 2018 #217

Lol..One can't "fail" at what wasn't attempted. whathehell Mar 2018 #218

OK, since RayGun ... who cares that's most of my life uponit7771 Mar 2018 #172

History, matters.. whathehell Mar 2018 #181

It's not since Reagan though. John Fante Mar 2018 #194

How Come Native Americans Don't Cheer on Deportations and Muslim Bans ? JI7 Mar 2018 #5

I am explaining why it happened. Not "making excuses." It is wrong and BIGOTED to claim that LBM20 Mar 2018 #10

Calling out racism is worse than them cheering on attacks on hispanics JI7 Mar 2018 #15

+1 happy feet Mar 2018 #20

Apparently EffieBlack Mar 2018 #48

You can't vote for a raging racist without being one yourself... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #40

To me, this is an absolute. dchill Mar 2018 #102

I agree in general,but I would also say...there are folks that don't vote on race...for you and me , Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #177

Not everyone that voted for him, just those that defend him and his backers bigbrother05 Mar 2018 #68

Yes, and you can add "simplistic" to that as well. whathehell Mar 2018 #104

That's a good question. ck4829 Mar 2018 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #8

It is deporable to claim to that ANYONE who voted for Trump is a racist because that is not true. LBM20 Mar 2018 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #14

Why don't native americans cheer on deportations ? Is it because they live such privileged lives JI7 Mar 2018 #18

It is absolutely true...Trump wooed white supremacists and is a raging racist. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #39

Why not write them off? treestar Mar 2018 #61

I think WE must remember one thing and one thing only. kydo Mar 2018 #16

If they're "not racist", then... MountCleaners Mar 2018 #30

That's pretty much the way I feel too. n/t kydo Mar 2018 #65

I would have to dispute that.. whathehell Mar 2018 #124

Anyone supporting Trump TODAY is either a bigot or doesnt care that a bigot is running the country EffieBlack Mar 2018 #49

Yeppers! kydo Mar 2018 #64

I agree with this statement Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #219

Exactly EffieBlack Mar 2018 #221

"Many fine people", I'm sure... HopeAgain Mar 2018 #17

Well, they could have done it for sexist reasons too. Or because they hate Mexicans. muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #19

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2018 #29

Yes..The misogynistic vote against Clinton whathehell Mar 2018 #127

But they were willing to vote for racist. That's just a fact. Adrahil Mar 2018 #21

Thanks for this post oberliner Mar 2018 #22

Great Points! ollie10 Mar 2018 #23

this shanny Mar 2018 #45

This is the perfect reply and best strategically. poboy2 Mar 2018 #53

Some people vote on charisma alone. Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #24

Yes they vote for who they 'like'...have no idea of the issues etc...but it's a personality Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #26

I actually knew some people Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #28

So their desire for amusement outweighed any concern for the minorities Trump would harm? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #54

They are happy about the tax cuts. Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #67

Some people have the privilege of laughing at him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #79

Doubtful Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #85

So whats their excuse for continuing to support him now. Certainly not his charisma EffieBlack Mar 2018 #51

Why cater to those people rather than teach them to do better? treestar Mar 2018 #58

I think this is a very under appreciated ... Whiskeytide Mar 2018 #63

Trump's bigotry IS his charisma. John Fante Mar 2018 #162

We are not a coastal party. We are where all the people live all across this nation. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #25

Voting for a President who is a known racist, is the essence of racism. Hoyt Mar 2018 #27

Absolutely. If you voted for Trump or, even worse, STILL support him, you are OK with racist Atticus Mar 2018 #143

They disregarded the concerns of people of color MountCleaners Mar 2018 #31

But how about the PoC who voted for him? whathehell Mar 2018 #133

They could be a mix of classist/racists. haele Mar 2018 #138

"Coastal party" is offensive. Demit Mar 2018 #32

It appears with new redistricting that will change. The Gerrymander has allowed Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #38

Hopefully, the Repubs' challenges to the new map fail. Fingers crossed. Demit Mar 2018 #44

Anything is possible but it is inappropriate and a bad sign if SCOTUS takes this case. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #46

Amen if we are to not "insult" them by calling them flyover treestar Mar 2018 #56

That was started by some movie industry guy who flew back & forth between NYC & Hollywood. Demit Mar 2018 #71

Bullshit if you vote for a racist pig you are a racist pig .... stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #34

Trump launched his campaign on the lie that President Obama isnt one of us. writes3000 Mar 2018 #35

So much trumper self-justifying bullshit, so little time. Squinch Mar 2018 #36

From Democrats, no less EffieBlack Mar 2018 #57

From Democrats? Maybe. Maybe not. Squinch Mar 2018 #91

No maybe about it. Read the board EffieBlack Mar 2018 #92

My point is that not everyone on the board is a Democrat. Squinch Mar 2018 #97

I don't buy that...GOP/right wing myth. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #37

They're biased zipplewrath Mar 2018 #43

Here we go again with the But but lets not be unfair to Trump supporters ... EffieBlack Mar 2018 #47

I think this is simplistic. Not worthy of good progressive thinking. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #121

Those people have likely already abandoned the GOP ecstatic Mar 2018 #50

No one with any love for Democracy leftyladyfrommo Mar 2018 #52

How many? treestar Mar 2018 #55

Translation: Won't anyone think of the poor bigots! FSogol Mar 2018 #62

Oh they CAN'T all be racist right? Yes, yes they are The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #66

You're contributing to a victory by those forces (Russians and their bots) who... LAS14 Mar 2018 #170

Both Sides? You're gonna "Both Sides" me? The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #174

+1000 brer cat Mar 2018 #196

Not all Trump voters are racists, nativists, misogynists, but they knowingly voted for one. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #70

Rightly or wrongly, whathehell Mar 2018 #74

I watched Judgment at Nuremberg shortly after Trump's (s)election. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #77

Please whathehell Mar 2018 #103

Anybody DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #112

You're entitled to your feelings whathehell Mar 2018 #114

One can not knowingly enable evil without being an enabler of evil. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #119

I doubt very much that they saw Trump as "evil" whathehell Mar 2018 #132

Trump checked every box. You would have to be willfully blind to miss it. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #140

At the time, I think he checked every box for "bad" whathehell Mar 2018 #145

I am fairly confident his evangelical supporters are familiar with that passage. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #152

I would be confident of that too.. whathehell Mar 2018 #154

You can't compare them... ck4829 Mar 2018 #113

Huh? whathehell Mar 2018 #115

The economy was under 5% on the day of the election. John Fante Mar 2018 #163

Lovely.. whathehell Mar 2018 #182

Trump just widened that disparity John Fante Mar 2018 #186

Of course he did, but your claim whathehell Mar 2018 #211

My mistake. I meant to say Republican working class voters John Fante Mar 2018 #212

The worst thing we could do to Trump voters is turn them into Democrats. And our best revenge. nocalflea Mar 2018 #72

YOU go rub shoulders with them EffieBlack Mar 2018 #81

Actually, I think calling them "racists" is having an effect MountCleaners Mar 2018 #98

It seems were both hoping that they grow a conscience. nocalflea Mar 2018 #99

I agree depending on how we define racist Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #75

EXCELLENT post! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #82

No, I will not give them a free pass hamsterjill Mar 2018 #78

Yes, yes, yes...I could have written this post, every word of it. It exactly reflects how I feel lunamagica Mar 2018 #107

Thanks. hamsterjill Mar 2018 #183

why do you feel the need to make excuses for them? Javaman Mar 2018 #80

Fuck that... SidDithers Mar 2018 #83

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #122

"The line between being a bigot and voting for a bigot Cha Mar 2018 #188

K & R. Anyone who disagrees with this will be abetting the disintegration... LAS14 Mar 2018 #84

If you and other Trumpvotersplainers spent a fraction of the effort youre giving to trying EffieBlack Mar 2018 #86

this .. +1 annabanana Mar 2018 #208

I disagree rockfordfile Mar 2018 #87

Bullshit ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #89

Every Trump voter I run into is a racist. They like to say they aren't. But they are. LexVegas Mar 2018 #90

Driving through small town America I can partially understand it Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #93

Maybe, maybe not romana Mar 2018 #94

They may not be racist, but they definitely hitched their wagon to a racist horse. TCJ70 Mar 2018 #95

So much this... SidDithers Mar 2018 #96

if they went from PBO to trump...i agree they arent racist but BOY ARE THEY DUMB!! samnsara Mar 2018 #101

Are some of you saying GaryCnf Mar 2018 #106

Well, I guess they also laugheed with trump when he mocked the disabled. I thought he was done after lunamagica Mar 2018 #108

All of them laughed?????? Really???? nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #120

It obviously didn't bother them lunamagica Mar 2018 #131

Really? On what do you base this? LAS14 Mar 2018 #136

They voted for him lunamagica Mar 2018 #137

So, in this world of perfect blacks and whites, we need never feel... LAS14 Mar 2018 #139

He showed us over and over again he was a racist misogynist. He mocked the disabled. All lunamagica Mar 2018 #147

I'm not saying they're reachable. I'm saying that if we consign... LAS14 Mar 2018 #151

Oh, I've heard them. "They need to go and come back LEGALLY", "Democrats have no lunamagica Mar 2018 #156

Right. I've heard them too. And I've heard others say different things. The point is not... LAS14 Mar 2018 #157

So what would be "constructive of Democracy" lunamagica Mar 2018 #166

To allow that individuals within a group may have different stories. To not... LAS14 Mar 2018 #168

You are talking from a place of privilege. Like someone who isn't lunamagica Mar 2018 #171

I'm interested in the stories of the 66 million Americans who voted for Clinton. John Fante Mar 2018 #178

I assume you are not African American or Muslim or an immigrant in danger of being deported? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #153

Well I've heard some immigrants and minorities both in real life and in... LAS14 Mar 2018 #158

What? Really? You are telling an African American that she doesn't lunamagica Mar 2018 #165

Im saying bigotry is psychological background ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #123

Either that or they didnt mind that hes a racist and misogynist EffieBlack Mar 2018 #150

The OP is not about Republican-leaning voters; it's about Obama voters muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #159

Where do you get those numbers? lunamagica Mar 2018 #109

Who's fact is that ? pwb Mar 2018 #111

They may not be racist MFM008 Mar 2018 #128

I don't care if they personally believe they superior to minorities and women EffieBlack Mar 2018 #180

For those Republicans that are not racist, they should seriously consider why they remain Republican BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #129

I know some Obama voters that voted TrishaJ Mar 2018 #134

At best theyre racist enablers. herding cats Mar 2018 #135

A definite chunk of his votes came from anti-Hillary rather than pro-Trump folks. Tatiana Mar 2018 #141

...and group of them formed JPR BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #146

Really? workinclasszero Mar 2018 #142

And how do these photographs disprove the claim that not all Trump voters are alike? LAS14 Mar 2018 #169

How can a decent person vote for a racist hater like Trump, the darling of the Nazi/KKK workinclasszero Mar 2018 #189

I agree with you about the mistake all Trump voters... LAS14 Mar 2018 #192

:Hey, dude (or lady) - You're trying WAAAy to hard EffieBlack Mar 2018 #190

Russians aren't the divisive ones here ck4829 Mar 2018 #200

Look at all that economic anxiety! John Fante Mar 2018 #179

IKR? workinclasszero Mar 2018 #193

+1 ck4829 Mar 2018 #201

... lunamagica Mar 2018 #149

Actually they switched back to the GOP Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #155

I think your contention that it was "many" is wrong. I think it is a miniscule few. stevenleser Mar 2018 #164

+1, I remember some of the KGOP being mad at rMoney for not going full supremacist uponit7771 Mar 2018 #175

Some "Obama" voters were voting against Palin or Ro$mney. haele Mar 2018 #167

At minimum they tolerate racism and that's still bad uponit7771 Mar 2018 #173

A million or so kids, desperate for a voice, desperate to not to become victims of a mass shooter John Fante Mar 2018 #176

Support for Trump is billh58 Mar 2018 #184

Trump's campaign without bigotry doesn't last two weeks. John Fante Mar 2018 #187

They supported a President who encouraged racist attacks. pnwmom Mar 2018 #191

... Jamaal510 Mar 2018 #197

Anyone who votes for someone who is a racist, sexist, and bigot, speaks for itself still_one Mar 2018 #198

If I vote for an obvious racist, what does that make me? eShirl Mar 2018 #199

We must remember the number of Obama voters who were obstructed from voting again underpants Mar 2018 #202

66MILLION++ heaven05 Mar 2018 #204

Perfect response! Thanks you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #209

If a person voted for the PGIC... Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #205

So they are racist enablers. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #206

Best case: Profoundly ignorant and totally reliant on RW propaganda. . . . n/t annabanana Mar 2018 #207

It takes a lot of privilege to say "human rights" are not a "bread and butter" issue ck4829 Mar 2018 #210

The GOP is proud of their voter suppression efforts Gothmog Mar 2018 #213

Well, if they walk & talk & look like them, and hang out with them, and cheer for them... TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #215

Not all Trump voters are racists. Initech Mar 2018 #220

It ain't an excuse. backscatter712 Mar 2018 #222