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15. Could anyone answer me how we are going to win in 2020....

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 10:38 AM

Mar 2018

....without getting some votes from voters who voted for Trump in 2016? without winning some states that voted for Trump in 2016?

You don't get someone to vote for you by calling them a deplorable. You don't get someone to vote for you if you call them a racist, a misogynist, an idiot.

The voters that we CAN reach are those who are scared....they were scared about the economy and their future in 2016. The true Trumpers are unreachable....but there were some who didn't like Hillary for some reason and wanted to give Trump a chance. Now these folks may be wavering......

If we hammer home on the issues of the economy, the tax cut that helped the rich and only gave them a few crumbs and health care...we can pull some of them to vote for us. If we call them an idiot, or a deplorable, or a racist....they will recoil and they won't be as likely to join us. Why would anyone expect them to?

We already have a lot of enthusiasm on our side. But it is not enough to just have the same folks vote in 2020 as in 2016....or we get the same result. We need to peel off people who didn't vote for us last time. The positively WORST way to do this is by attacking Trump and calling them deplorables.

But if it makes you feel good, and are willing to risk four more years of Trump to make you feel good, then join Hillary and rant and rave about the deplorables. It just won't win elections, that's all. Your choice.

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Hillary Clinton was right: The parts of America that support Trump are stuck in the past [View all] DonViejo Mar 2018 OP

Of course. Without question. Truth to power. Nt Ninga Mar 2018 #1

She has been right about the majority of things she has ever spoken about. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #2

Rolling Stone talked about the issues with Bill Clinton not being the liberal they thought Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #30

Part of the problem with Bill Clinton is the he was too in love with .. Bill Clinton. Caliman73 Mar 2018 #54

If you want to see someone drunk on power and in love with himself look at Trump. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #64

+1 lunamagica Mar 2018 #67

Well, the only president my life got markedly better under was Bill Clinton. LisaM Mar 2018 #68

I agree...and I am sick of the attacks on him. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #74

You are so right, MrsCoffee. Ohiogal Mar 2018 #76

i'm still cheering Hillary Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #3

thank you for these golden kernels of TRUTH northoftheborder Mar 2018 #42

What a great post! Thank you, Hermit lunamagica Mar 2018 #70

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #71

K & R & +a million Wwcd Mar 2018 #79

you folks make me feel less alone Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #86

Hey Hermit, I must say that I look for your posts because of how & what you write. Wwcd Mar 2018 #87

wow. thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #88

She's correct... Mike Nelson Mar 2018 #4

agree, the truth hurts but it is the truth onetexan Mar 2018 #13

Yup, we are just a bunch of unedumacated baboons out here in Wisconsin Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #19

As someone who lives in Wisconsin Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #5

Well said. question everything Mar 2018 #16

So we want to tell bigots its ok to be bigots? ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #32

Yes, 500 in PA met the "off chance" and voted Dem question everything Mar 2018 #55

Are you fucking kidding me? ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #65

Correct...and any switch votes occurred because of Trump's toxic Presidency BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #84

No one wants you to get "hoarse". NCTraveler Mar 2018 #35

I think it's simply adorable you believe had she not said what she did, LanternWaste Mar 2018 #49

Can you point to the quote where she told Wisconsin they are backwards? NCTraveler Mar 2018 #33

Sure Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #75

Truth and education is the way to win minds. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #80

That's the whole problem right there. alarimer Mar 2018 #62

She is totally correct. MoonRiver Mar 2018 #6

K&R stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #7

Hillary's problem was/is the noise machine that dramatically overanalyzed her every comment Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #8

Her Actual Quote erpowers Mar 2018 #9

Obama said much the same thing with the guns and religion comment...and it is true. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #10

It is patently and abundantly true. dalton99a Mar 2018 #20

It is true. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #73

I thought of that too when I saw this. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #34

I don't think some get how much trouble we are in... I hope we can hang on until we take the house Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #72

Lying gets us nowhere. We need to call out their lies. Initech Mar 2018 #11

There's a poll up now on DU that last time I checked showed Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #12

Her comments Nasruddin Mar 2018 #56

Such a simple concept missed on almost everyone on this thread BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #85

Excellent analysis! question everything Mar 2018 #58

It's worse than that -- "Things ain't what they used to be, and probably never was." eppur_se_muova Mar 2018 #14

Could anyone answer me how we are going to win in 2020.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #15

HRC lost the EC in some states by only a few thousand votes Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #22

It's not horse shoes....close doesn't count ollie10 Mar 2018 #25

The problem was russian hack and Comey. JI7 Mar 2018 #26

There were many problems ollie10 Mar 2018 #31

Obama didn't rant and rave either and lost there JI7 Mar 2018 #41

her deplorables comment hurt her ollie10 Mar 2018 #45

Obama lost that district before deplorable comment. JI7 Mar 2018 #50

didn't say that ollie10 Mar 2018 #52

But HRC isn't running in 2020 Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #28

Hillary is a great fund raiser ollie10 Mar 2018 #39

And yet Obama still lost that district. And there is a reason Biden and not Obama JI7 Mar 2018 #44

But Lamb won. Seems to me Lamb did something right ollie10 Mar 2018 #47

Yes, lamb did what he had to in that district which is not reprrsentative of the country as a whol JI7 Mar 2018 #51

Very True and Very Pragmatic hueymahl Mar 2018 #29

Good question BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #36

I can. Caliman73 Mar 2018 #59

Knowing Nasruddin Mar 2018 #63

Meanwhile their precious Shithole is spewing lies and insults 24/7 dalton99a Mar 2018 #17

Criticizing Hillary is a popular thing around here. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #37

George Lakoff said as much, before the election. Patriarchy is deeply, subtly embedded. nt wiggs Mar 2018 #18

I say it's time to get Hillary out of the White House dalton99a Mar 2018 #21

Yeah, Fox keeps putting her in dhol82 Mar 2018 #60

Dems should listen to Lakoff. Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #40

What good politically does this accomplish? SHRED Mar 2018 #23

Would Trump voters somehow vote for Democrats if she simply did not say it? LanternWaste Mar 2018 #27

There were Obama to Trump voters Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #77

Deplorables Are Deplorables For A Reason PaulX2 Mar 2018 #24

She was right about a LOT of things NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #38

+1. "She's a private citizen not running for anything, she can say what she wants" dalton99a Mar 2018 #43

She knows what she is talking about pandr32 Mar 2018 #46

Tough balancing act Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #48

What past? malthaussen Mar 2018 #53

Good article Gothmog Mar 2018 #57

Republicans are right... and so is Hillary zaj Mar 2018 #61

She is honest, and tells the truth. I admire her for that. Too bad that those lunamagica Mar 2018 #66

Hillary's Comments Tend to Get to the Heart of the Matter - Thus the Endless Criticism dlk Mar 2018 #69

Thank you Wwcd Mar 2018 #78

Telling the truth MichMary Mar 2018 #81

This Egnever Mar 2018 #83

She was correct, and the Republicans got what they had been yapping about all through Obama's Admin BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #82

Never have understood why the term "elitist" is supposed to be an insult. I suppose those patricia92243 Mar 2018 #89

Some fact checking Gothmog Mar 2018 #90