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210. It takes a lot of privilege to say "human rights" are not a "bread and butter" issue

Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:43 AM

Mar 2018

I want a government that doesn't see me (Because I'm a *gasp* self-professed liberal) or the young Somali-American Muslim woman in my extended family as potential enemies of the state. I want a government that doesn't have people in it who think medically vulnerable people like my nephew aren't worth helping. Is that "local" enough? Is that "bread and butter" enough? Or am I just some coastal leftist elite who lives paycheck to paycheck and who just happens to live in the middle of Ohio?

As for Trump supporters...

Do they see something wrong when a person says that "All Lives Matter" but then shrugs and turns away when a refugee needs help?

How many mosques have they walked into and talked with the people there? What do they do when they are confronted with the "radical notion" that Muslims are people just like them?

When someone says gay and/or transgendered people are "deviant" or "sick", do they speak up in disagreement?

When people who look like them and believe like them are in their company and they call people who look different and believe differently lazy who don't deserve government assistance but that actually they earned their government assistance for some reason or another, do they stand up and call that wrong?

Those questions reflect the distorted ideas that helped Trump get into office, there simply can not be a rejection of Trump until there is a rejection of those distorted ideas. If they reject them, then welcome aboard. If they don't, well, it would be foolish to enable them.

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Many Trump voters voted for Obama. Many are not racist. Some are. Not all. That's just the fact. [View all] LBM20 Mar 2018 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #1

Alll Trump voters are not racist or sexist. Some are. Not all. Painting with one brush is LBM20 Mar 2018 #6

lol, they fucking voted for Trump. and most STILL support him. if they don't they are JI7 Mar 2018 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #11

No it isn't 'as bad' , it is their actions we judge. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #42

LOL- youre implying people here dont hate their bigotry? Bullshit. What a gross way to defend bettyellen Mar 2018 #59

At some point they are either racist or misogynistic treestar Mar 2018 #60

I've been saying this for awhile...It wasn't that simple. whathehell Mar 2018 #73

OK WestIndianArchie Mar 2018 #105

voting for Obama doesn't mean they can't be racist. Obama's numbers among white people went down JI7 Mar 2018 #2

That makes me feel sooo much better. Xipe Totec Mar 2018 #3

No one is saying it was good to vote for Trump. But we need to understand why it happened, and it LBM20 Mar 2018 #7

racist and misogynist goes together WhiteTara Mar 2018 #33

The Russian interference elected Trump who lost the popular vote...nothing to be Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #41

They tolerated racist bleatings from trump throughout his campaign and still voted for him. brush Mar 2018 #88

Any Obama voter who voted for Trump who still TODAY supports Trump, cant be Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #126

Democrats have been getting more votes at the National Level. just because it doesn't include JI7 Mar 2018 #4

Majority of whites have not "voted Republican since Civil rights" whathehell Mar 2018 #69

Thats not true EffieBlack Mar 2018 #76

It is true. whathehell Mar 2018 #100

Here are the facts EffieBlack Mar 2018 #110

I don't know where you got those "facts". whathehell Mar 2018 #116

My source is detailed right on the graphic EffieBlack Mar 2018 #117

My claim is hardly "baseless" whathehell Mar 2018 #118

Since you have offered no basis for your claim, yes, it is indeed baseless EffieBlack Mar 2018 #125

Huh? whathehell Mar 2018 #130

I have corrected my typo. On the other hand, you have still not offered anything to support EffieBlack Mar 2018 #144

Lol whathehell Mar 2018 #148

The sources see right there at the bottom of the graph. John Fante Mar 2018 #160

The sources are right at the bottom of the graphic. stevenleser Mar 2018 #161

That's nice.. whathehell Mar 2018 #185

If there is a statistic showing the Democrats winning John Fante Mar 2018 #195

No, there arent more than one set of statistics on that stevenleser Mar 2018 #214

Nice try.. whathehell Mar 2018 #216

I don't need to try. You have failed to produce anything that supports you. Thats the way things stevenleser Mar 2018 #217

Lol..One can't "fail" at what wasn't attempted. whathehell Mar 2018 #218

OK, since RayGun ... who cares that's most of my life uponit7771 Mar 2018 #172

History, matters.. whathehell Mar 2018 #181

It's not since Reagan though. John Fante Mar 2018 #194

How Come Native Americans Don't Cheer on Deportations and Muslim Bans ? JI7 Mar 2018 #5

I am explaining why it happened. Not "making excuses." It is wrong and BIGOTED to claim that LBM20 Mar 2018 #10

Calling out racism is worse than them cheering on attacks on hispanics JI7 Mar 2018 #15

+1 happy feet Mar 2018 #20

Apparently EffieBlack Mar 2018 #48

You can't vote for a raging racist without being one yourself... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #40

To me, this is an absolute. dchill Mar 2018 #102

I agree in general,but I would also say...there are folks that don't vote on race...for you and me , Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #177

Not everyone that voted for him, just those that defend him and his backers bigbrother05 Mar 2018 #68

Yes, and you can add "simplistic" to that as well. whathehell Mar 2018 #104

That's a good question. ck4829 Mar 2018 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #8

It is deporable to claim to that ANYONE who voted for Trump is a racist because that is not true. LBM20 Mar 2018 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2018 #14

Why don't native americans cheer on deportations ? Is it because they live such privileged lives JI7 Mar 2018 #18

It is absolutely true...Trump wooed white supremacists and is a raging racist. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #39

Why not write them off? treestar Mar 2018 #61

I think WE must remember one thing and one thing only. kydo Mar 2018 #16

If they're "not racist", then... MountCleaners Mar 2018 #30

That's pretty much the way I feel too. n/t kydo Mar 2018 #65

I would have to dispute that.. whathehell Mar 2018 #124

Anyone supporting Trump TODAY is either a bigot or doesnt care that a bigot is running the country EffieBlack Mar 2018 #49

Yeppers! kydo Mar 2018 #64

I agree with this statement Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #219

Exactly EffieBlack Mar 2018 #221

"Many fine people", I'm sure... HopeAgain Mar 2018 #17

Well, they could have done it for sexist reasons too. Or because they hate Mexicans. muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #19

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2018 #29

Yes..The misogynistic vote against Clinton whathehell Mar 2018 #127

But they were willing to vote for racist. That's just a fact. Adrahil Mar 2018 #21

Thanks for this post oberliner Mar 2018 #22

Great Points! ollie10 Mar 2018 #23

this shanny Mar 2018 #45

This is the perfect reply and best strategically. poboy2 Mar 2018 #53

Some people vote on charisma alone. Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #24

Yes they vote for who they 'like'...have no idea of the issues etc...but it's a personality Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #26

I actually knew some people Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #28

So their desire for amusement outweighed any concern for the minorities Trump would harm? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #54

They are happy about the tax cuts. Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #67

Some people have the privilege of laughing at him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #79

Doubtful Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #85

So whats their excuse for continuing to support him now. Certainly not his charisma EffieBlack Mar 2018 #51

Why cater to those people rather than teach them to do better? treestar Mar 2018 #58

I think this is a very under appreciated ... Whiskeytide Mar 2018 #63

Trump's bigotry IS his charisma. John Fante Mar 2018 #162

We are not a coastal party. We are where all the people live all across this nation. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #25

Voting for a President who is a known racist, is the essence of racism. Hoyt Mar 2018 #27

Absolutely. If you voted for Trump or, even worse, STILL support him, you are OK with racist Atticus Mar 2018 #143

They disregarded the concerns of people of color MountCleaners Mar 2018 #31

But how about the PoC who voted for him? whathehell Mar 2018 #133

They could be a mix of classist/racists. haele Mar 2018 #138

"Coastal party" is offensive. Demit Mar 2018 #32

It appears with new redistricting that will change. The Gerrymander has allowed Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #38

Hopefully, the Repubs' challenges to the new map fail. Fingers crossed. Demit Mar 2018 #44

Anything is possible but it is inappropriate and a bad sign if SCOTUS takes this case. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #46

Amen if we are to not "insult" them by calling them flyover treestar Mar 2018 #56

That was started by some movie industry guy who flew back & forth between NYC & Hollywood. Demit Mar 2018 #71

Bullshit if you vote for a racist pig you are a racist pig .... stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #34

Trump launched his campaign on the lie that President Obama isnt one of us. writes3000 Mar 2018 #35

So much trumper self-justifying bullshit, so little time. Squinch Mar 2018 #36

From Democrats, no less EffieBlack Mar 2018 #57

From Democrats? Maybe. Maybe not. Squinch Mar 2018 #91

No maybe about it. Read the board EffieBlack Mar 2018 #92

My point is that not everyone on the board is a Democrat. Squinch Mar 2018 #97

I don't buy that...GOP/right wing myth. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #37

They're biased zipplewrath Mar 2018 #43

Here we go again with the But but lets not be unfair to Trump supporters ... EffieBlack Mar 2018 #47

I think this is simplistic. Not worthy of good progressive thinking. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #121

Those people have likely already abandoned the GOP ecstatic Mar 2018 #50

No one with any love for Democracy leftyladyfrommo Mar 2018 #52

How many? treestar Mar 2018 #55

Translation: Won't anyone think of the poor bigots! FSogol Mar 2018 #62

Oh they CAN'T all be racist right? Yes, yes they are The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #66

You're contributing to a victory by those forces (Russians and their bots) who... LAS14 Mar 2018 #170

Both Sides? You're gonna "Both Sides" me? The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #174

+1000 brer cat Mar 2018 #196

Not all Trump voters are racists, nativists, misogynists, but they knowingly voted for one. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #70

Rightly or wrongly, whathehell Mar 2018 #74

I watched Judgment at Nuremberg shortly after Trump's (s)election. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #77

Please whathehell Mar 2018 #103

Anybody DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #112

You're entitled to your feelings whathehell Mar 2018 #114

One can not knowingly enable evil without being an enabler of evil. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #119

I doubt very much that they saw Trump as "evil" whathehell Mar 2018 #132

Trump checked every box. You would have to be willfully blind to miss it. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #140

At the time, I think he checked every box for "bad" whathehell Mar 2018 #145

I am fairly confident his evangelical supporters are familiar with that passage. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #152

I would be confident of that too.. whathehell Mar 2018 #154

You can't compare them... ck4829 Mar 2018 #113

Huh? whathehell Mar 2018 #115

The economy was under 5% on the day of the election. John Fante Mar 2018 #163

Lovely.. whathehell Mar 2018 #182

Trump just widened that disparity John Fante Mar 2018 #186

Of course he did, but your claim whathehell Mar 2018 #211

My mistake. I meant to say Republican working class voters John Fante Mar 2018 #212

The worst thing we could do to Trump voters is turn them into Democrats. And our best revenge. nocalflea Mar 2018 #72

YOU go rub shoulders with them EffieBlack Mar 2018 #81

Actually, I think calling them "racists" is having an effect MountCleaners Mar 2018 #98

It seems were both hoping that they grow a conscience. nocalflea Mar 2018 #99

I agree depending on how we define racist Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #75

EXCELLENT post! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #82

No, I will not give them a free pass hamsterjill Mar 2018 #78

Yes, yes, yes...I could have written this post, every word of it. It exactly reflects how I feel lunamagica Mar 2018 #107

Thanks. hamsterjill Mar 2018 #183

why do you feel the need to make excuses for them? Javaman Mar 2018 #80

Fuck that... SidDithers Mar 2018 #83

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #122

"The line between being a bigot and voting for a bigot Cha Mar 2018 #188

K & R. Anyone who disagrees with this will be abetting the disintegration... LAS14 Mar 2018 #84

If you and other Trumpvotersplainers spent a fraction of the effort youre giving to trying EffieBlack Mar 2018 #86

this .. +1 annabanana Mar 2018 #208

I disagree rockfordfile Mar 2018 #87

Bullshit ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #89

Every Trump voter I run into is a racist. They like to say they aren't. But they are. LexVegas Mar 2018 #90

Driving through small town America I can partially understand it Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #93

Maybe, maybe not romana Mar 2018 #94

They may not be racist, but they definitely hitched their wagon to a racist horse. TCJ70 Mar 2018 #95

So much this... SidDithers Mar 2018 #96

if they went from PBO to trump...i agree they arent racist but BOY ARE THEY DUMB!! samnsara Mar 2018 #101

Are some of you saying GaryCnf Mar 2018 #106

Well, I guess they also laugheed with trump when he mocked the disabled. I thought he was done after lunamagica Mar 2018 #108

All of them laughed?????? Really???? nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #120

It obviously didn't bother them lunamagica Mar 2018 #131

Really? On what do you base this? LAS14 Mar 2018 #136

They voted for him lunamagica Mar 2018 #137

So, in this world of perfect blacks and whites, we need never feel... LAS14 Mar 2018 #139

He showed us over and over again he was a racist misogynist. He mocked the disabled. All lunamagica Mar 2018 #147

I'm not saying they're reachable. I'm saying that if we consign... LAS14 Mar 2018 #151

Oh, I've heard them. "They need to go and come back LEGALLY", "Democrats have no lunamagica Mar 2018 #156

Right. I've heard them too. And I've heard others say different things. The point is not... LAS14 Mar 2018 #157

So what would be "constructive of Democracy" lunamagica Mar 2018 #166

To allow that individuals within a group may have different stories. To not... LAS14 Mar 2018 #168

You are talking from a place of privilege. Like someone who isn't lunamagica Mar 2018 #171

I'm interested in the stories of the 66 million Americans who voted for Clinton. John Fante Mar 2018 #178

I assume you are not African American or Muslim or an immigrant in danger of being deported? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #153

Well I've heard some immigrants and minorities both in real life and in... LAS14 Mar 2018 #158

What? Really? You are telling an African American that she doesn't lunamagica Mar 2018 #165

Im saying bigotry is psychological background ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #123

Either that or they didnt mind that hes a racist and misogynist EffieBlack Mar 2018 #150

The OP is not about Republican-leaning voters; it's about Obama voters muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #159

Where do you get those numbers? lunamagica Mar 2018 #109

Who's fact is that ? pwb Mar 2018 #111

They may not be racist MFM008 Mar 2018 #128

I don't care if they personally believe they superior to minorities and women EffieBlack Mar 2018 #180

For those Republicans that are not racist, they should seriously consider why they remain Republican BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #129

I know some Obama voters that voted TrishaJ Mar 2018 #134

At best theyre racist enablers. herding cats Mar 2018 #135

A definite chunk of his votes came from anti-Hillary rather than pro-Trump folks. Tatiana Mar 2018 #141

...and group of them formed JPR BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #146

Really? workinclasszero Mar 2018 #142

And how do these photographs disprove the claim that not all Trump voters are alike? LAS14 Mar 2018 #169

How can a decent person vote for a racist hater like Trump, the darling of the Nazi/KKK workinclasszero Mar 2018 #189

I agree with you about the mistake all Trump voters... LAS14 Mar 2018 #192

:Hey, dude (or lady) - You're trying WAAAy to hard EffieBlack Mar 2018 #190

Russians aren't the divisive ones here ck4829 Mar 2018 #200

Look at all that economic anxiety! John Fante Mar 2018 #179

IKR? workinclasszero Mar 2018 #193

+1 ck4829 Mar 2018 #201

... lunamagica Mar 2018 #149

Actually they switched back to the GOP Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #155

I think your contention that it was "many" is wrong. I think it is a miniscule few. stevenleser Mar 2018 #164

+1, I remember some of the KGOP being mad at rMoney for not going full supremacist uponit7771 Mar 2018 #175

Some "Obama" voters were voting against Palin or Ro$mney. haele Mar 2018 #167

At minimum they tolerate racism and that's still bad uponit7771 Mar 2018 #173

A million or so kids, desperate for a voice, desperate to not to become victims of a mass shooter John Fante Mar 2018 #176

Support for Trump is billh58 Mar 2018 #184

Trump's campaign without bigotry doesn't last two weeks. John Fante Mar 2018 #187

They supported a President who encouraged racist attacks. pnwmom Mar 2018 #191

... Jamaal510 Mar 2018 #197

Anyone who votes for someone who is a racist, sexist, and bigot, speaks for itself still_one Mar 2018 #198

If I vote for an obvious racist, what does that make me? eShirl Mar 2018 #199

We must remember the number of Obama voters who were obstructed from voting again underpants Mar 2018 #202

66MILLION++ heaven05 Mar 2018 #204

Perfect response! Thanks you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #209

If a person voted for the PGIC... Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #205

So they are racist enablers. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #206

Best case: Profoundly ignorant and totally reliant on RW propaganda. . . . n/t annabanana Mar 2018 #207

It takes a lot of privilege to say "human rights" are not a "bread and butter" issue ck4829 Mar 2018 #210

The GOP is proud of their voter suppression efforts Gothmog Mar 2018 #213

Well, if they walk & talk & look like them, and hang out with them, and cheer for them... TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #215

Not all Trump voters are racists. Initech Mar 2018 #220

It ain't an excuse. backscatter712 Mar 2018 #222