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4. Hmmmm. Good point. I suppose that's true. nt

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ACLU: Blocking Chick-fil-A unconstitutional Viewpoint Discrimination [View all] cthulu2016 Jul 2012 OP

I have been uncomfortable with this since the beginning. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #1

A few updates: ProSense Jul 2012 #2

Will they hire gays? vanlassie Jul 2012 #3

I would expect the scrutiny to be high, in this case. cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #8

Yes, "they" do. WillowTree Jul 2012 #12

This is very inaccuate information. Chick fil A Corporation retains ownership of all locations Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #143

Hmmmm. Good point. I suppose that's true. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #4

Good point. Damned good point. Zalatix Jul 2012 #5

When you're hating on people for their genetic differences... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #6

The government can ban discriminatory hiring cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #7

Right. Let them come, then force them vanlassie Jul 2012 #9

That is where ProSense Jul 2012 #21

The first three points are not matters of fact, they are simply not true in most States Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #132

But in a majority of States it is legal to discriminate against gay people in employment and Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #131

The ACLU has to be like that. Dash87 Jul 2012 #128

A little creativity could go a LONG way here. annabanana Jul 2012 #10

True! There's one down the street from where I work NashvilleLefty Jul 2012 #11

Brilliant!! WillowTree Jul 2012 #14

What? Are you totally unfamiliar with their company? boppers Jul 2012 #112

Heaven forbid that people should have one day a week... WillowTree Jul 2012 #115

Is there anything you will criticize Chick-fil-A for? Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #124

The point is that the franchisee knew going in that CfA was religiously oriented.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #127

Franchisees of Chick fil A are not owners, they are operators with zero equity share. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #145

In Chicago, Chick-fil-A cannot get a zoning variance because Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #13

Not sure where you're getting your information. There's already at least one Chick-fil-a in Chicago WillowTree Jul 2012 #16

They want a zoning variance to build a parking lot next door to a second, but won't sign Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #38

There is nothing at your link supporting what you posted. former9thward Jul 2012 #66

Bullshit. Read what I posted again. n/t Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #80

Bullshit back at you. former9thward Jul 2012 #85

Me: "They also lied to Moreno's face for nine months about their discriminatory practices" Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #93

You are the only one misrepresenting things here. former9thward Jul 2012 #151

Damn, I showed you the quote that backed up what I said and you're still insisting I'm wrong. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #156

I am not letting you change the goalposts. former9thward Jul 2012 #160

You are the one changing the goalposts, pardner. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #161

Bullshit yourself! WillowTree Jul 2012 #89

Their lawyers lied to Alderman Moreno's face for nine months. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #94

Oh details, details!! WillowTree Jul 2012 #81

I've shown former9thward misrepresented me. I'll take your apology, too. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #98

No such apology is forthcoming, but nice try. WillowTree Jul 2012 #101

Typical. n/t Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #103

What standard form. There is nothing about that in the article. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #87

I question the validity of the case... DearAbby Jul 2012 #15

But the franchise owners do have constitutional rights. WillowTree Jul 2012 #17

They have the rights we the people granted them DearAbby Jul 2012 #18

That's a straw man comparison. WillowTree Jul 2012 #22

Discriminatory to whom? DearAbby Jul 2012 #23

But they can't zone against one fast food establishment when they allow others. WillowTree Jul 2012 #24

Why not? What if the council decide 3 chicken joints DearAbby Jul 2012 #26

You're really making this up as you go along, aren't you? WillowTree Jul 2012 #28

Ah, that is not exactly true.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #133

Then, do you support those who objected to the building of the Mosque in NYC? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #30

Freedom of Religion is a different issue DearAbby Jul 2012 #32

The question is how much should Government interfere in private matters, business or otherwise. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #36

People have the right to be private... DearAbby Jul 2012 #47

I don't think anyone is disputing any of that. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #62

How's that project coming btw? Funding in place? aquart Jul 2012 #111

Seems to be coming along fine. They opened for business in September of last year sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #116

The problem is ProSense Jul 2012 #19

I agree with your last sentence and raised that question in the case of the Church that refused sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #31

So if the Government shut down DemocraticUnderground LLC for no reason, Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #123

I agree. Beacool Jul 2012 #20

No one is denied freedom of speech DearAbby Jul 2012 #25

So far no one's succeeded in denying you the right to respond. WillowTree Jul 2012 #27

True. DearAbby Jul 2012 #33

Reading comprehension issues, I see. WillowTree Jul 2012 #34

Back at cha DearAbby Jul 2012 #41

It certainly does matter... meaculpa2011 Jul 2012 #117

Take Chicago. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #120

it might seem a fine point, but... MNBrewer Jul 2012 #39

McCarthy was human...He denied Human beings their constitutional right DearAbby Jul 2012 #42

Is Planned Parenthood a person? cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #114

So answer the question.. Missycim Jul 2012 #162

He is the president of the company. Beacool Jul 2012 #69

If it was his 'beliefs' we'd not even know them. It is about his public statements and press Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #134

Public statements are speech cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #144

Yep and he is free to it. The other poster claimed it was his 'belifes' not his speech that Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #146

I disagree with you in one regard. Beacool Jul 2012 #149

The same ACLU that defended Citizens United. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #29

Exactly...re-enforce it with DearAbby Jul 2012 #35

This is not about blocking a business from entering the marketplace based on zoning, environmental, Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #43

"because of the personal view points of the owner." When that owner's lawyers had lied Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #46

Does Chick-fil-a discriminate in its hiring and serving practices? Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #48

Why, as a matter of fact, yes. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #52

Funny that Morena, Rahm, et. al., forgot to mention that they intended to block Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #58

That's Moreno's point, Luminous. He brought up their bigotry again and again. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #61

I haven't read anything from Greenwald about this case. Discrimination is a legitimate reason to Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #65

And both Moreno and Rahm Emmanuel have backed-off their objections. WillowTree Jul 2012 #72

You asked for ONE, JUST ONE discrimination case. And I gave you one. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #78

What was the lie again? WillowTree Jul 2012 #91

"And please don't bring up the case in Georgia again." Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #95

Would you ban Starbuck's? meaculpa2011 Jul 2012 #118

Starbuck's doesn't have the record of supporting anti-human rights organizations Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #119

In what way is Chick-fil-a a discriminatory organization? WillowTree Jul 2012 #51

$5 million to anti-gay groups like Exodus International Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #53

Sorry, no. WillowTree Jul 2012 #57

I cited you a gender discrimination case against Chick-fil-A Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #59

I'll grant you your example of ONE franchisee being sued for apparent gender discrimination. WillowTree Jul 2012 #64

BEEEP BEEEP BEEEP Goalposts coming through. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #77

WillowTree is not defending Chick-fil-a. Willow tree is defending the First Amendment. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #83

Yeah? DearAbby Jul 2012 #56

Retaliation for speech is a violation of a person's Constitutional rights. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #82

Your reiterated assertion that a business is not a person is wrong, both legally and as bad policy. Jim Lane Jul 2012 #88

So, you'd support the decision of a locality to withhold permits because the owner TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #129

Hopefully you will never be the unpopular guy Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #125

The Constitution promies equal protection under the law and yet millions of us are not allowed Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #136

The ACLU was acting within their narrow mission and focus, Odin. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #130

So strip clubs and sex shops can be placed wherever because to disallow it is MNBrewer Jul 2012 #37

So, you are saying that this talk of blocking Chick-fil-a is just a misunderstanding Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #40

If zoning is = viewpoint discrimination MNBrewer Jul 2012 #44

So looking forward to you supporting a business being banned by a right-wing mayor for Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #45

I'm not saying it's A O K... MNBrewer Jul 2012 #49

Actually, zoning laws apply to manufacturing, restaurants, liquor stores, churches, etc. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #63

I think the distinction is without a difference. MNBrewer Jul 2012 #68

A business DearAbby Jul 2012 #50

This issue is not about business practices but about the personal speech. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #54

Your patronizing KFC instead of Chick-fil-a does not prevent Chick-fil-a from doing business. WillowTree Jul 2012 #67

We are not obligated to grant a license to any DearAbby Jul 2012 #70

Huh? That is simply not true. A city cannot block the license of a corner grocer who is Muslim then Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #73

Ahem. The corporation's lawyers LIED TO MORENO'S FACE. FOR NINE MONTHS. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #79

Even Moreno doesn't make that claim. He claims that they were making progress until Cathy's Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #86

Bullshit. The nine months of supposed progress was shown to be a lie by Cathy. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #96

Nonsense. WillowTree Jul 2012 #90

I got $5 million of ways they discriminate against the LGBT community with corporate money. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #97

Yeah, well that $5M is what's called protected political speech. WillowTree Jul 2012 #100

Forbes Magazine, July 2007: Chick-fil-A has been sued 12 times since 1988. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #102

You get to speak, I get to speak. Funny how that works. WillowTree Jul 2012 #104

LOL. I just proved your posts full of the most incredible wankery. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #105

"They can be denied for whatever reason." WillowTree Jul 2012 #76

That analogy is Flawed cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #55

Libertarians are people, too. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #74

I am so looking forward to you defending any rightwing mayor that suggests Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #75

This is a red meat issue for RWers. I don't know why the left is walking into the trap. Monk06 Jul 2012 #71

Good point. emilyg Jul 2012 #84

The ACLU is correct. nt Skip Intro Jul 2012 #92

Good. Once open, let the people decide if they want to eat there. appleannie1 Jul 2012 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #157

Here's how you get 'em--you persuade a bunch of gay or gay-friendly or non-religious people MADem Jul 2012 #106

In 2007, the application process was a year long. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #107

They need to find applicants who have the best qualifications in terms of MADem Jul 2012 #109

A couple of married lesbian owner/operators would be nice, too. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #110

Sounds good to me! MADem Jul 2012 #113

Franchisees of Chick fil A are not owners, they are operators with zero equity share. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #148

Yeah, I shouldn't have said owner. Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #158

Sue them for what? In most States, it is perfectly legal to discriminate against gay people Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #138

Everyone loves the ACLU until they defend the rights of unpopular people (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #121

Hard for me to buy that a very wealthy CEO with full rights is 'unpopular' while the minority group Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #137

Can Non-Christians have a different day off? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #122

CEOs are public figures of a sort, aren't they? randome Jul 2012 #126

The public doesn't have to and shouldn't. The law is a different matter. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #135

Exactly right. Curtland1015 Jul 2012 #139

".......nary a one will even answer the opposite scenario......." Exactly! WillowTree Jul 2012 #140

And how easy it is to clearly state that what the government is not allowed to do is not the Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #141

I see a difference. randome Jul 2012 #142

that is the very definition of viewpoint discrimination dsc Jul 2012 #147

I understand your point but I don't agree. randome Jul 2012 #150

But again, Chick-Fil-A isn't excluding gays. Curtland1015 Jul 2012 #154

Privileged perspective is a logical fallacy TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #155

Nicely written cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #159

Tell this to the abortion providers in red states. Sirveri Jul 2012 #152

Incoherent. cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #153