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EffieBlack

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106. This isn't like doing business by selling a coat to a racist

Sun Mar 18, 2018, 11:17 AM

Mar 2018

Reaching out to Trump supporters, people who are either racist or have proven comfortable aligning themselves as racist is insulting and painful to the people who are harmed b that racism.

And we know better than anyone that the reason many of those people deserted th Democratic Party is because of US - or at least because they resent how the party includes and responds to us. And the only way they can be convinced to return is for them to believe that our concerns are going to be made subordinate to theirs. So we're not feeling the "We must reach out to white Trump supporters" drive because we know that, in this situation, it IS a zero sum game.

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What's with the sudden spate of "Leave Trump supporters ALONE!" OP and posts? [View all] EffieBlack Mar 2018 OP

I haven't seen them- can you link? TexasProgresive Mar 2018 #1

Not the OP. But here lunamagica Mar 2018 #7

I've noticed this too. And there's a resurgence of the "there's millions of Obama Squinch Mar 2018 #2

Several out there. The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #4

Did you mean to respond to Texas Progressive? Squinch Mar 2018 #9

Yes. The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #13

Oh, no! Back pain is the worst. Disk? Squinch Mar 2018 #15

Tore a muxcle a few weeks back The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #21

I know it sounds like the last thing you want to do, but try cold instead. Squinch Mar 2018 #22

Thanks for the tip The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #24

Good luck. It is the worst. Also, move every twenty minutes or so as much as you can without pain. Squinch Mar 2018 #25

You might also want to see a good physical therapist. thucythucy Mar 2018 #70

Or Obama voters had their votes suppressed EffieBlack Mar 2018 #8

Don't forget the sexist voters dansolo Mar 2018 #100

There were real efforts made to keep Obama voters from voting and to get them to stay home Gothmog Mar 2018 #117

Obama voters tended to stay home and few switched to trump Gothmog Mar 2018 #116

Here are two non-Sabato links showing the millions of Obama-trump voters Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #132

Ive seen those studies. The numbers dont add up. There is something clearly very wrong with them stevenleser Mar 2018 #134

Any facts to back up that claim? Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #152

Yes, this has been talked about before and linked before. stevenleser Mar 2018 #153

That was included in the link I posted and doesn't change the point Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #156

You should keep reading it until you understand what is written stevenleser Mar 2018 #157

So says someone who admits they are not an expert in statistics Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #160

Here is the salient quote for you Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #161

"Even if these numbers are off by a million or two." OK, then. Squinch Mar 2018 #145

That still leaves MILLIONS of voters who voted for Obama, then drumpf Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #151

Not really. If there are problems with the data, any conclusion is dubious. nt stevenleser Mar 2018 #154

But you haven't shown any problems with the data Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #155

The article itself cites the problems with the data quite plainly stevenleser Mar 2018 #158

I would offer you the same advice Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #159

Read this report 2left4u Mar 2018 #136

It is very illuminating. It shows that Trump voters did not vote for him for all Squinch Mar 2018 #144

Adopt a Trump voter? 2left4u Mar 2018 #148

I'm talking about winning Democratic elections. The republicans won those people by appealing Squinch Mar 2018 #149

? 2left4u Mar 2018 #150

I don't know, but it sure is annoying. MineralMan Mar 2018 #3

So true. Wellstone ruled Mar 2018 #14

+1. If they are sincere and want change, vote for a different party in November dalton99a Mar 2018 #16

I'm happy to welcome their vote, after the fact mcar Mar 2018 #36

Don't argue with idiots thbobby Mar 2018 #52

Evangelicals for Trump keithbvadu2 Mar 2018 #55

"Don't argue with idiots" mitch96 Mar 2018 #56

Before January 20, 2017, I would have disagreed with you. DonaldsRump Mar 2018 #5

No. Propaganda works. Many are propagandized sharedvalues Mar 2018 #32

LOL! rusty fender Mar 2018 #62

Fox News lies... to get votes for billionaires sharedvalues Mar 2018 #87

So youre still rusty fender Mar 2018 #89

It works, I promise. Slowly. But it works. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #90

Please proceed... rusty fender Mar 2018 #91

Ok. Agreed, two types: propagandized and deplorables sharedvalues Mar 2018 #93

Where did you get these numbers? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #94

I think white male Dems should be walking the walk all day w outreach to everyone. bettyellen Mar 2018 #81

Im a man and I get that we need to step up sharedvalues Mar 2018 #88

Thank you! Its been disappointing how many liberal dudes I know still think Trump is a joke- bettyellen Mar 2018 #97

I've stopped beating my head against that particular wall Bettie Mar 2018 #110

Dont give up. The best resistance is positive persistence. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #111

We're winning at this point Bettie Mar 2018 #112

Yes! And luckily this is a Dem majority country sharedvalues Mar 2018 #114

+100 sharedvalues Mar 2018 #128

Yep, not sure what to do anymore. When I try and point it out, oops...LOL Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #6

Frankly I don't see how Democrats can win anything without sending missionaries on bicycles dalton99a Mar 2018 #10

NO! Not bended knees! They HATE bended knees! Squinch Mar 2018 #96

Not surprised. liberalmuse Mar 2018 #11

I will talk to them, but I have zero tolerance for two thing: Trump's bigotry and Doodley Mar 2018 #12

Exactly. Good for you. Dont stand for propaganda either sharedvalues Mar 2018 #31

I'd Say It's As Obvious As The Reason For McCabe's Firing Me. Mar 2018 #17

No kidding dalton99a Mar 2018 #18

Putin's brigade hard at work. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #19

Bingo workinclasszero Mar 2018 #28

I remember pandr32 Mar 2018 #43

Me too workinclasszero Mar 2018 #48

I think so. Effie is right that there are a lot of threads and posts like that, but there aren't Squinch Mar 2018 #129

Some of us think that the first, and only goal is to take control of Congress question everything Mar 2018 #20

Lose every office? You mean like in Alabama? GOTV is the answer. Squinch Mar 2018 #23

You mean like in Alabama, where black Democratic women, not Trump supporters, made the difference? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #26

"I call bullshit on if we dont kiss Trump supporters asses, we cant win nothin argument" melman Mar 2018 #45

Is this another one of those posts like where you tell the poster that it's too hard Squinch Mar 2018 #58

So very defensive emulatorloo Mar 2018 #95

Inroads yes. Persuade them. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #29

Sorry, but no mcar Mar 2018 #37

Americans together must do both. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #40

Wow! Great idea! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #98

We often argue issues. We should argue propaganda. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #99

almost 40% of eligable voters stay home. The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #30

How do you figure that? workinclasszero Mar 2018 #38

+1 sharedvalues Mar 2018 #27

I think the general idea was to avoid pushing them deeper into the bubble krispos42 Mar 2018 #33

+1 leftstreet Mar 2018 #44

I third that. 👍 sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #53

Well stated. Well thought out! LAS14 Mar 2018 #73

I'm puzzled about who you're directing this advice to. Who has suggested badgering Demit Mar 2018 #85

You might want to ask the OPer that. krispos42 Mar 2018 #109

I'm not seeing where the OP suggested badgering people. Demit Mar 2018 #118

The OPer didn't, but was talking about the opposite krispos42 Mar 2018 #123

You used the word "badgering" in your post #33. That's where I got it from. Demit Mar 2018 #125

I know!! Weird! Trump voters/supporters don't need to be defended. They don't... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #34

But...but... Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #39

Yeah F that shit! workinclasszero Mar 2018 #41

Exactly... Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #50

I know! Right? ---- I must say... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #47

Yeah I think disruption is the major motivation Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #49

It's like a slot machine. Catering to conservatives didn't work when they elected Nixon, Squinch Mar 2018 #63

Goes along with the spate of anti-Dem leader posts we've seen this week mcar Mar 2018 #35

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #64

Divisiveness treestar Mar 2018 #42

I think there are some sincere posters mixed with the Boys from St. Pete. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #46

It's safe to say there's a lot of this involved: sandensea Mar 2018 #51

Why the constant need to focus on the supporters and not the leaders? jalan48 Mar 2018 #54

They gleefully rubbed it in my face when they won MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #57

One of my husband's FB "friends" posted a message of gung-ho support for a nutcase on a motorcycle deurbano Mar 2018 #69

I totally agree. And so sorry your daughter was placed in danger MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #77

I suspect largely a response to the flood of "All Trump Supporters are Racist" threads. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #59

You don't seem to understand the difference between a Trump voter and a Trump supporter EffieBlack Mar 2018 #76

Largely because the people doing the wholesale slamming Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #83

The studies cited in two of these threads are well done Gothmog Mar 2018 #120

Thanks, Ms. Toad, for sticking to it and making the point. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #122

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who voted for dumpster deserves nothing but contempt and ridicule... debsy Mar 2018 #60

FUCK THAT 2left4u Mar 2018 #61

Agreed. They deserve nothing but derision. nt Flaleftist Mar 2018 #135

Solidarity with working class paid online posters? McCamy Taylor Mar 2018 #65

I'd buy them a beer if they stopped trying to destroy us dalton99a Mar 2018 #68

I'm not! Fuck 'em! Initech Mar 2018 #66

Simple, billh58 Mar 2018 #67

Good fuckin' question. nt LexVegas Mar 2018 #71

deplorables need their asses kicked verbally at a minimum. democratisphere Mar 2018 #72

Fump and his supporters. the_sly_pig Mar 2018 #74

FUCK. THEM. spanone Mar 2018 #75

Other, unfortunately valid question loyalsister Mar 2018 #78

Three cheers!!! There was a time when I had clear pride in... LAS14 Mar 2018 #121

It's a losing strategy to attack voters loyalsister Mar 2018 #124

We will never get 100% of the vote anyway, so sometimes it just makes us feel better to say world wide wally Mar 2018 #79

Some People are Upset at no longer being the Center of Attention JI7 Mar 2018 #80

🤔 Meowmee Mar 2018 #82

The last election was a test of Americans' character. Those that voted for Trump failed. backscatter712 Mar 2018 #84

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #133

Where are you hearing this? left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #86

Because trolls just don't live under bridges anymore. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #92

RW trolls heaven05 Mar 2018 #101

Another blond beauty Repug defending traitor Trump on TV katmondoo Mar 2018 #102

Are you saying here in 2018 we should now just be attacking and alienating Dems who voted for Trump? LBM20 Mar 2018 #103

Big difference between attacking people and devoting a portion of the DU board to defending them EffieBlack Mar 2018 #105

No one is "defending" them. It is about UNDERSTANDING why it happened. MILLIONS who voted for Obama LBM20 Mar 2018 #130

Sympothy? Understanding? Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #104

This isn't like doing business by selling a coat to a racist EffieBlack Mar 2018 #106

Well stated. I do think that it would save a lot of needless... LAS14 Mar 2018 #119

Not suspicious at all, is it? Codeine Mar 2018 #107

Nothing to see here EffieBlack Mar 2018 #108

Trump supporters deserve no quarter, no compassion, and certainly no understanding. jcmaine72 Mar 2018 #113

These post ignore the base of the party Gothmog Mar 2018 #115

Radicals will be radicals Cary Mar 2018 #126

it is one thing DonCoquixote Mar 2018 #127

lots of crossover between Trumpers and Berners, radius777 Mar 2018 #131

Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Mar 2018 #137

Nobody, but the "reach out to Trumper" posts radius777 Mar 2018 #138

Im guessing freindships are being strained Abu Pepe Mar 2018 #139

Is there really? On DU? bobGandolf Mar 2018 #140

I have seen a few people on FB (I'm not there much) DFW Mar 2018 #141

I have a question for you. Kentonio Mar 2018 #142

What we cant afford is to capitulate in the middle of a blue wave inspired by anti-Trump sentiment. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #146

What does anything you just said have to do with what I said? Kentonio Mar 2018 #147

Same people. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #143