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LBM20

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130. No one is "defending" them. It is about UNDERSTANDING why it happened. MILLIONS who voted for Obama

Sun Mar 18, 2018, 09:09 PM

Mar 2018

switched to Trump. So to labeling them all as "racist assholes", as some have done, is just plain wrong. What we are saying is that this is a big diverse country so we need a party with candidates tailored to the districts. We can not only be an urban coastal party. We need to be a small town and rural party too in the center of the country. Focusing on the economic issues with candidates who are more moderate to conservative on social issues is a formula for winning them back, as Conor Lamb did, and that is a GOOD thing. I would like to be a 50-state, 3200-county party and not the hollowed out party we are now. There is room for ALL of us, and we all agree on about 80% of the issues. Let's focus on what unites not stop these divisions.

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What's with the sudden spate of "Leave Trump supporters ALONE!" OP and posts? [View all] EffieBlack Mar 2018 OP

I haven't seen them- can you link? TexasProgresive Mar 2018 #1

Not the OP. But here lunamagica Mar 2018 #7

I've noticed this too. And there's a resurgence of the "there's millions of Obama Squinch Mar 2018 #2

Several out there. The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #4

Did you mean to respond to Texas Progressive? Squinch Mar 2018 #9

Yes. The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #13

Oh, no! Back pain is the worst. Disk? Squinch Mar 2018 #15

Tore a muxcle a few weeks back The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #21

I know it sounds like the last thing you want to do, but try cold instead. Squinch Mar 2018 #22

Thanks for the tip The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #24

Good luck. It is the worst. Also, move every twenty minutes or so as much as you can without pain. Squinch Mar 2018 #25

You might also want to see a good physical therapist. thucythucy Mar 2018 #70

Or Obama voters had their votes suppressed EffieBlack Mar 2018 #8

Don't forget the sexist voters dansolo Mar 2018 #100

There were real efforts made to keep Obama voters from voting and to get them to stay home Gothmog Mar 2018 #117

Obama voters tended to stay home and few switched to trump Gothmog Mar 2018 #116

Here are two non-Sabato links showing the millions of Obama-trump voters Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #132

Ive seen those studies. The numbers dont add up. There is something clearly very wrong with them stevenleser Mar 2018 #134

Any facts to back up that claim? Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #152

Yes, this has been talked about before and linked before. stevenleser Mar 2018 #153

That was included in the link I posted and doesn't change the point Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #156

You should keep reading it until you understand what is written stevenleser Mar 2018 #157

So says someone who admits they are not an expert in statistics Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #160

Here is the salient quote for you Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #161

"Even if these numbers are off by a million or two." OK, then. Squinch Mar 2018 #145

That still leaves MILLIONS of voters who voted for Obama, then drumpf Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #151

Not really. If there are problems with the data, any conclusion is dubious. nt stevenleser Mar 2018 #154

But you haven't shown any problems with the data Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #155

The article itself cites the problems with the data quite plainly stevenleser Mar 2018 #158

I would offer you the same advice Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #159

Read this report 2left4u Mar 2018 #136

It is very illuminating. It shows that Trump voters did not vote for him for all Squinch Mar 2018 #144

Adopt a Trump voter? 2left4u Mar 2018 #148

I'm talking about winning Democratic elections. The republicans won those people by appealing Squinch Mar 2018 #149

? 2left4u Mar 2018 #150

I don't know, but it sure is annoying. MineralMan Mar 2018 #3

So true. Wellstone ruled Mar 2018 #14

+1. If they are sincere and want change, vote for a different party in November dalton99a Mar 2018 #16

I'm happy to welcome their vote, after the fact mcar Mar 2018 #36

Don't argue with idiots thbobby Mar 2018 #52

Evangelicals for Trump keithbvadu2 Mar 2018 #55

"Don't argue with idiots" mitch96 Mar 2018 #56

Before January 20, 2017, I would have disagreed with you. DonaldsRump Mar 2018 #5

No. Propaganda works. Many are propagandized sharedvalues Mar 2018 #32

LOL! rusty fender Mar 2018 #62

Fox News lies... to get votes for billionaires sharedvalues Mar 2018 #87

So youre still rusty fender Mar 2018 #89

It works, I promise. Slowly. But it works. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #90

Please proceed... rusty fender Mar 2018 #91

Ok. Agreed, two types: propagandized and deplorables sharedvalues Mar 2018 #93

Where did you get these numbers? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #94

I think white male Dems should be walking the walk all day w outreach to everyone. bettyellen Mar 2018 #81

Im a man and I get that we need to step up sharedvalues Mar 2018 #88

Thank you! Its been disappointing how many liberal dudes I know still think Trump is a joke- bettyellen Mar 2018 #97

I've stopped beating my head against that particular wall Bettie Mar 2018 #110

Dont give up. The best resistance is positive persistence. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #111

We're winning at this point Bettie Mar 2018 #112

Yes! And luckily this is a Dem majority country sharedvalues Mar 2018 #114

+100 sharedvalues Mar 2018 #128

Yep, not sure what to do anymore. When I try and point it out, oops...LOL Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #6

Frankly I don't see how Democrats can win anything without sending missionaries on bicycles dalton99a Mar 2018 #10

NO! Not bended knees! They HATE bended knees! Squinch Mar 2018 #96

Not surprised. liberalmuse Mar 2018 #11

I will talk to them, but I have zero tolerance for two thing: Trump's bigotry and Doodley Mar 2018 #12

Exactly. Good for you. Dont stand for propaganda either sharedvalues Mar 2018 #31

I'd Say It's As Obvious As The Reason For McCabe's Firing Me. Mar 2018 #17

No kidding dalton99a Mar 2018 #18

Putin's brigade hard at work. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #19

Bingo workinclasszero Mar 2018 #28

I remember pandr32 Mar 2018 #43

Me too workinclasszero Mar 2018 #48

I think so. Effie is right that there are a lot of threads and posts like that, but there aren't Squinch Mar 2018 #129

Some of us think that the first, and only goal is to take control of Congress question everything Mar 2018 #20

Lose every office? You mean like in Alabama? GOTV is the answer. Squinch Mar 2018 #23

You mean like in Alabama, where black Democratic women, not Trump supporters, made the difference? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #26

"I call bullshit on if we dont kiss Trump supporters asses, we cant win nothin argument" melman Mar 2018 #45

Is this another one of those posts like where you tell the poster that it's too hard Squinch Mar 2018 #58

So very defensive emulatorloo Mar 2018 #95

Inroads yes. Persuade them. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #29

Sorry, but no mcar Mar 2018 #37

Americans together must do both. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #40

Wow! Great idea! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #98

We often argue issues. We should argue propaganda. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #99

almost 40% of eligable voters stay home. The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #30

How do you figure that? workinclasszero Mar 2018 #38

+1 sharedvalues Mar 2018 #27

I think the general idea was to avoid pushing them deeper into the bubble krispos42 Mar 2018 #33

+1 leftstreet Mar 2018 #44

I third that. 👍 sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #53

Well stated. Well thought out! LAS14 Mar 2018 #73

I'm puzzled about who you're directing this advice to. Who has suggested badgering Demit Mar 2018 #85

You might want to ask the OPer that. krispos42 Mar 2018 #109

I'm not seeing where the OP suggested badgering people. Demit Mar 2018 #118

The OPer didn't, but was talking about the opposite krispos42 Mar 2018 #123

You used the word "badgering" in your post #33. That's where I got it from. Demit Mar 2018 #125

I know!! Weird! Trump voters/supporters don't need to be defended. They don't... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #34

But...but... Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #39

Yeah F that shit! workinclasszero Mar 2018 #41

Exactly... Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #50

I know! Right? ---- I must say... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #47

Yeah I think disruption is the major motivation Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #49

It's like a slot machine. Catering to conservatives didn't work when they elected Nixon, Squinch Mar 2018 #63

Goes along with the spate of anti-Dem leader posts we've seen this week mcar Mar 2018 #35

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #64

Divisiveness treestar Mar 2018 #42

I think there are some sincere posters mixed with the Boys from St. Pete. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #46

It's safe to say there's a lot of this involved: sandensea Mar 2018 #51

Why the constant need to focus on the supporters and not the leaders? jalan48 Mar 2018 #54

They gleefully rubbed it in my face when they won MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #57

One of my husband's FB "friends" posted a message of gung-ho support for a nutcase on a motorcycle deurbano Mar 2018 #69

I totally agree. And so sorry your daughter was placed in danger MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #77

I suspect largely a response to the flood of "All Trump Supporters are Racist" threads. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #59

You don't seem to understand the difference between a Trump voter and a Trump supporter EffieBlack Mar 2018 #76

Largely because the people doing the wholesale slamming Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #83

The studies cited in two of these threads are well done Gothmog Mar 2018 #120

Thanks, Ms. Toad, for sticking to it and making the point. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #122

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who voted for dumpster deserves nothing but contempt and ridicule... debsy Mar 2018 #60

FUCK THAT 2left4u Mar 2018 #61

Agreed. They deserve nothing but derision. nt Flaleftist Mar 2018 #135

Solidarity with working class paid online posters? McCamy Taylor Mar 2018 #65

I'd buy them a beer if they stopped trying to destroy us dalton99a Mar 2018 #68

I'm not! Fuck 'em! Initech Mar 2018 #66

Simple, billh58 Mar 2018 #67

Good fuckin' question. nt LexVegas Mar 2018 #71

deplorables need their asses kicked verbally at a minimum. democratisphere Mar 2018 #72

Fump and his supporters. the_sly_pig Mar 2018 #74

FUCK. THEM. spanone Mar 2018 #75

Other, unfortunately valid question loyalsister Mar 2018 #78

Three cheers!!! There was a time when I had clear pride in... LAS14 Mar 2018 #121

It's a losing strategy to attack voters loyalsister Mar 2018 #124

We will never get 100% of the vote anyway, so sometimes it just makes us feel better to say world wide wally Mar 2018 #79

Some People are Upset at no longer being the Center of Attention JI7 Mar 2018 #80

🤔 Meowmee Mar 2018 #82

The last election was a test of Americans' character. Those that voted for Trump failed. backscatter712 Mar 2018 #84

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #133

Where are you hearing this? left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #86

Because trolls just don't live under bridges anymore. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #92

RW trolls heaven05 Mar 2018 #101

Another blond beauty Repug defending traitor Trump on TV katmondoo Mar 2018 #102

Are you saying here in 2018 we should now just be attacking and alienating Dems who voted for Trump? LBM20 Mar 2018 #103

Big difference between attacking people and devoting a portion of the DU board to defending them EffieBlack Mar 2018 #105

No one is "defending" them. It is about UNDERSTANDING why it happened. MILLIONS who voted for Obama LBM20 Mar 2018 #130

Sympothy? Understanding? Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #104

This isn't like doing business by selling a coat to a racist EffieBlack Mar 2018 #106

Well stated. I do think that it would save a lot of needless... LAS14 Mar 2018 #119

Not suspicious at all, is it? Codeine Mar 2018 #107

Nothing to see here EffieBlack Mar 2018 #108

Trump supporters deserve no quarter, no compassion, and certainly no understanding. jcmaine72 Mar 2018 #113

These post ignore the base of the party Gothmog Mar 2018 #115

Radicals will be radicals Cary Mar 2018 #126

it is one thing DonCoquixote Mar 2018 #127

lots of crossover between Trumpers and Berners, radius777 Mar 2018 #131

Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Mar 2018 #137

Nobody, but the "reach out to Trumper" posts radius777 Mar 2018 #138

Im guessing freindships are being strained Abu Pepe Mar 2018 #139

Is there really? On DU? bobGandolf Mar 2018 #140

I have seen a few people on FB (I'm not there much) DFW Mar 2018 #141

I have a question for you. Kentonio Mar 2018 #142

What we cant afford is to capitulate in the middle of a blue wave inspired by anti-Trump sentiment. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #146

What does anything you just said have to do with what I said? Kentonio Mar 2018 #147

Same people. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #143