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Tom Rinaldo

(23,187 posts)
125. There is absolutely no reason why you should have to do either.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 01:54 PM
Mar 2018

To be blunt you are not running for any office and you do not have to thread the needle to find a way of winning the plurality of votes needed to get elected from a non minority majority district, without also selling out in the process. Having said that I absolutely believe that you have already put in more than your share of time trying to reach out to and/or understand bigots. But even putting that aside, victims of oppression have already been victims of oppression. That by itself is more than any person should be forced to deal with.

With the overwhelming majority of bigotry in America directed at People of Color by Whites, it is Whites who have to step forward to confront it. We don't have to twist ourselves into pretzels to understand it, we swim in a river polluted by it every day. We don't have to make special efforts to reach out to bigots even if we want to, we are surrounded by them already in our families, in our jobs, on our streets, on a daily basis.

I can say this about most Whites. We are mostly blind to our prejudices because we don't see/recognize them in their most virulent forms inside of us. We don't consciously believe that Whites are superior than People of Color, most of us don't anyway. Most of us are just as likely to try to free a black child from a car wreck as we are to try to free a white child from the exact same dangerous accident; just as likely to throw a rope to a black woman standing on the roof of their car during a flood as we are to throw that rope to a white woman. Therefor we think we can not possible be racist, and depending on how we all define that term, many of us, probably most of us, are not. But we can still be bigots, we can still be programmed by our prejudices not to see all of the injustice that surrounds us, to take part in it, and yes to benefit from it.

That unfortunately is "your problem" EffieBlack, in that you must cope with the consequences of that reality. But it is not your responsibility to address prejudice with anything other than condemnation. It is the responsibility of the Democratic Party in America to elect enough Democrats who stand against injustice in enough places so that government becomes an ally of the oppressed, not another instrument of that oppression.

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Fuck em... mikeysnot Mar 2018 #1
And Republicans In General PaulX2 Mar 2018 #39
Agree, you might as well be talking to a potted plant. Pepsidog Mar 2018 #44
Accually, talking to a potted plant has some benefits elmac Mar 2018 #52
A lot of "plants" have been repotted and replanted by Hortensis Mar 2018 #69
True Pepsidog Mar 2018 #78
Double fuck 'em lillypaddle Mar 2018 #76
They have been like this for generation. Good article here in BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #192
thanks for the link lillypaddle Mar 2018 #210
Trump voters and Trump voter defenders can fuck off! They're all sympathizers and enablers... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #2
And they are everywhere. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author RestoreAmerica2020 Mar 2018 #209
That attitude sure worked well for us recently hueymahl Mar 2018 #3
bullshit heaven05 Mar 2018 #12
Just so I am clear hueymahl Mar 2018 #23
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Ahhhh...yeah. You wrote what you wrote, right? brush Mar 2018 #66
I never have heaven05 Mar 2018 #80
Sorry, I meant to respond to Hueyman. I agree with your post. I will delete and re-post. brush Mar 2018 #89
Ahhhh...yeah. You wrote what you wrote, right? brush Mar 2018 #87
Where did I say they were decent people? hueymahl Mar 2018 #113
Are you trying to inject reason into our venting BlueWI Mar 2018 #183
LOL hueymahl Mar 2018 #198
Wow. Are you sure you're in the right place? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #203
Woohoo. Well said. brush Mar 2018 #64
There were non-racists who voted for Trump, despite his obvious racism... thesquanderer Mar 2018 #70
I can and will heaven05 Mar 2018 #77
Exactly! Unca Jim Mar 2018 #90
good point heaven05 Mar 2018 #104
Yes, that much is true, I'll give you that! (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2018 #189
Period. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #135
Painting with a broad brush, without looking at individuals can be "common sense"... thesquanderer Mar 2018 #188
I learned heaven05 Mar 2018 #191
I think it is human nature to generalize... thesquanderer Mar 2018 #196
undoubtedly heaven05 Mar 2018 #216
13% of Trump voters voted for Obama over Romney in 2012. thesquanderer Mar 2018 #232
I understand your point that racism is simply not as important to them as other things, EffieBlack Mar 2018 #235
re: "but how do you explain..." thesquanderer Mar 2018 #246
For me, the bottom one is not whats in their hearts. I dont care if they meet the definition EffieBlack Mar 2018 #247
yep nt heaven05 Mar 2018 #249
You are attacking Democrats and dividing us ollie10 Mar 2018 #83
your line of reasoning heaven05 Mar 2018 #102
Very well said hueymahl Mar 2018 #115
"These are potential D voters in 2020 if we give them a good reason to vote D" lunamagica Mar 2018 #120
We spent too much time focusing on Trump, not enough on our message ollie10 Mar 2018 #123
But we received MILLIONS more votes. The election was stolen lunamagica Mar 2018 #138
We need to win more states ollie10 Mar 2018 #148
Those are people who will NEVER vote democrat. Pandering to them -like Gore did by lunamagica Mar 2018 #149
We seem to be talking about two different groups of Trump voters ollie10 Mar 2018 #153
How do we do that? Like I said in my post (and you ignored) lunamagica Mar 2018 #155
We were talking about Hillary's speech ollie10 Mar 2018 #157
Again, I'm sure that those who were offended are the unreacheable ones lunamagica Mar 2018 #158
Hillary was unfairly criticized constantly for supposedly being dishonest EffieBlack Mar 2018 #217
*The media* spent too much time focusing on Trump, not enough on the Democratic message muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #231
I will try to be clear ollie10 Mar 2018 #233
So Trump had great success saying "my opposition is useless", but we should avoid saying that muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #237
Anyone who would be turned off if we go after Trump needs to stay over theres with him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #239
So what are you saying? ollie10 Mar 2018 #241
Lamb ran in the most Republican district it's possible to think could be flipped muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #245
Ok. Just explain to me.. ollie10 Mar 2018 #248
The problem is saying we need to "reach out to" people who voted for a bigot muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #250
I posted my comment before I saw yours, which says exactly what I wanted, only better! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #255
A little shame goes a long way - and some of them may only switch if they EffieBlack Mar 2018 #256
Hillary admitted that calling half of Trump supporters ollie10 Mar 2018 #259
This has nothing to do with getting our ideas out there. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #253
that's false....Dem messaging will not convert a Trumpster BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #257
THIS progressoid Mar 2018 #169
YOu and the OP relayerbob Mar 2018 #96
All you have are disingenuous insults and Cha Mar 2018 #208
Well youre a lovely one, arent you? Thanks for making this a great place! MadDAsHell Mar 2018 #105
just stating heaven05 Mar 2018 #108
Losing elections? gratuitous Mar 2018 #21
There's an old saying about counting your electronic votes before they've hatched. -nt CrispyQ Mar 2018 #24
And we only had to let the worst person of all time get elected president to do so hueymahl Mar 2018 #25
If you're saying they're decent people, they'll come around on their own. Let them, but not... brush Mar 2018 #57
Until we deal with the Fox News and their traitor shows, wingnuts will never be abandon Dotard. Pepsidog Mar 2018 #67
Actually it has. Hence, Blue Wave. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #74
Rather like trying to persuade... 3catwoman3 Mar 2018 #4
Reaching out is a two way street. I am willing to do it... if they are as well ck4829 Mar 2018 #5
Beautiful post EffieBlack Mar 2018 #6
+++BAM!!!! heaven05 Mar 2018 #7
The deplorables are unreachable unless the democratic party wants to welcome racists workinclasszero Mar 2018 #8
As Hillary was trying to point out, there are TWO baskets. Only one... LAS14 Mar 2018 #59
All the time, effort and manpower to get one damn Trump voter to grudgingly vote democratic workinclasszero Mar 2018 #98
If you live in Alabama instead of Harlem, your position makes no sense. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #109
Here are the Trump voters you are so passionate about going after...good luck! LOLOL workinclasszero Mar 2018 #100
I never once said I was passionate about going after Trump voters. LAS14 Mar 2018 #110
LOL- how many threads about Trump voters did you start? Its your passion alright. bettyellen Mar 2018 #139
Point to one. LAS14 Mar 2018 #143
Exactly. whathehell Mar 2018 #174
Not only is there a plethora of "It's political suicide not to reach out to Trump supporter" OPs EffieBlack Mar 2018 #182
Wow. Thats a pretty succinct summary of the MAGA crap. Thanks. bettyellen Mar 2018 #140
You are welcome workinclasszero Mar 2018 #142
Reach out, perhaps not. But, you've got to understand the virus to properly eradicate it. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #9
That's what the right wing infopedia is for. ck4829 Mar 2018 #11
That's very high-level and doesn't seem to delve into root causes. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #128
Okay. Could you enlarge on that a bit? Demit Mar 2018 #16
What is it's source? Such as Southern Paternalism, Evangelicalism, Cloistered or Remote Tribalism? TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #126
I'm afraid that doesn't explain the racism in large cities, such as Boston or Philadelphia. Demit Mar 2018 #212
I'm sure there is peer reviewed research on the topics. What you ask can not be answered in a post. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #225
I was only asking you to explain "you've got to understand the virus to properly eradicate it." Demit Mar 2018 #226
Is this a troll post, asking to be spoon-fed with countless redirects? You asked about cities next. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #227
If their loyalties can switch that easily, they can be snatched back easily, too EffieBlack Mar 2018 #230
If you think asking someone to enlarge on their breezy generalization is trolling, Demit Mar 2018 #258
racism is fear Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #145
Racism is more than just fear EffieBlack Mar 2018 #218
no diminishment, not excused Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #234
Agree with everything you said, Effie. flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #10
Indeed, I think that's why his daily life became the scandal to them ck4829 Mar 2018 #13
Don't forget the "flag pin" hysteria, the "Terrorist fist jab" BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #32
God... ck4829 Mar 2018 #33
The lazy N___r meme exboyfil Mar 2018 #30
Well considered and well written---as usual. K&R. nt Atticus Mar 2018 #14
They're the fringe minority.... fuck them! Chakaconcarne Mar 2018 #15
About all I can give these people is my promise Burma Jones Mar 2018 #17
"understand" does not mean "sympathize". . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #18
Absolutely!!! nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #61
Here's A Good Example Of Those We're Expected To 'Forgive & Forget' Who They Are Me. Mar 2018 #19
Ignore them. GOTV. dalton99a Mar 2018 #20
Again, millions of Romney voters broke for Clinton. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #22
Great post. safeinOhio Mar 2018 #26
Trump supporters and the wide group of Fox News conservatives have been programmed to hate liberals lancelyons Mar 2018 #27
I do not believe True Blue American Mar 2018 #34
Thanks for your post! Big K&R! Anon-C Mar 2018 #28
I don't know about reaching out loyalsister Mar 2018 #29
I totally agree! LAS14 Mar 2018 #68
Thank You For That True Blue American Mar 2018 #31
The last time I discussed politics at work...... dameatball Mar 2018 #35
Reaching out to a supporter of that Progressive dog Mar 2018 #36
That's my question, as well gratuitous Mar 2018 #53
Well said Progressive dog Mar 2018 #62
They're the winners... lame54 Mar 2018 #37
On a personal level I agree. We can do what we want. jalan48 Mar 2018 #38
You cant fix stupid. Or evil. kairos12 Mar 2018 #40
There is absolutely no way sagetea Mar 2018 #41
Those who love that he's shaking things up do so because.......... MRDAWG Mar 2018 #42
Bookmarked and thanks for your words. yonder Mar 2018 #43
they are a waste of time Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #45
I agree! leftofcool Mar 2018 #46
Not One More Minute DownFromTheMountain Mar 2018 #47
I tried to reach out to the them in the GC & RKBA sub forum and that didn't work out well ffr Mar 2018 #48
If they even cared one rip about the fact that their party is destroying the country my onecaliberal Mar 2018 #49
Yep. I would rather make sure minorities can vote and we're upholding our Constitutional values ck4829 Mar 2018 #51
The thing that made this crystal clear to me is they supported a fucking child molester rather than onecaliberal Mar 2018 #91
Oh yes. Wake up call to me too. ck4829 Mar 2018 #92
Not a Party The Wizard Mar 2018 #119
Woohoo! I love this righteous rant.Straight and to the point. brush Mar 2018 #50
There is a difference between people who ... Whiskeytide Mar 2018 #54
Your mistake is that you equate "they" with "all of them." LAS14 Mar 2018 #55
They'll have to hit rock bottom. Turbineguy Mar 2018 #56
And Mussolini made the trains run on time. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2018 #58
Living in rural Missouri Kurt V. Mar 2018 #63
Excellent post. I hate his supporters more than him amuse bouche Mar 2018 #65
It Texas, the Texas Democratic Party focused on winning east Texas for too long Gothmog Mar 2018 #71
Excellent example dalton99a Mar 2018 #84
Going after white voters is a waste of time and resources Gothmog Mar 2018 #116
Huh? whathehell Mar 2018 #173
In Texas we wasted a ton of time and money going after trump voters in East Texas Gothmog Mar 2018 #176
Okay, but that's a small subset ... When talking about "white people" whathehell Mar 2018 #180
I choose a different path 2left4u Mar 2018 #72
And how did that work out for him? lunatica Mar 2018 #86
A man is but a product of his thoughts. What he thinks he becomes. 2left4u Mar 2018 #94
fuck all republicans and specially trump supporters gopiscrap Mar 2018 #73
There are more of us then there are them, so fuck them. world wide wally Mar 2018 #75
When I grew up these were the people lunatica Mar 2018 #79
Thank You. n/t Mister Ed Mar 2018 #81
Hear Hear Leith Mar 2018 #82
I don't think I can reach out...they make me feel all yucky inside when I hear them talk C Moon Mar 2018 #85
I wouldn't spend two seconds reaching out grumpyduck Mar 2018 #88
In other words, if people don't agree with you, they are wrong mythology Mar 2018 #93
+1,000,000 - well said - n/t Locrian Mar 2018 #95
Division 2left4u Mar 2018 #106
Hits the nail on the head hueymahl Mar 2018 #118
Thanks for this post! nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #114
You nailed it. stranger81 Mar 2018 #177
Sorry too extreme of a position for me askyagerz Mar 2018 #97
Thanks for this post! nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #112
DU rec... SidDithers Mar 2018 #99
:-) EffieBlack Mar 2018 #121
At my age The Wizard Mar 2018 #103
People in DU are suggesting we reach out to dumpsters? ailsagirl Mar 2018 #107
It's unbelievable, but true lunamagica Mar 2018 #156
Another one of these? melman Mar 2018 #111
Dems have been winning a lot of Trump districts lately IronLionZion Mar 2018 #117
Not all people who voted for Trump are cut from the same cloth Martin Eden Mar 2018 #122
They voted for a clear bigota sexist and a racist. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #127
I know some people who voted for Obama twice, then Trump. Martin Eden Mar 2018 #134
Voting for Obama does NOT preclude one from being a racist ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #137
What I object to is soft-pedaling racism, sexism and bigotry. Martin Eden Mar 2018 #160
Thanks! nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #132
+1 progressoid Mar 2018 #170
Great post, Effie! I agree completely! Time is precious, and should not be wasted on people lunamagica Mar 2018 #124
There is absolutely no reason why you should have to do either. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #125
We can forget them as long radical noodle Mar 2018 #129
Your very premise is wrong, but hey, don't let that stop the Two Minute Hate jerk-fest. Decoy of Fenris Mar 2018 #130
Thanks to you and to all that have taken the time to respond carefully... LAS14 Mar 2018 #131
Always a pleasure. Here's hoping we can maintain that edge. This place has me wondering some days nt Decoy of Fenris Mar 2018 #133
Well said 2left4u Mar 2018 #150
Can win midterms by resisting voter suppression ck4829 Mar 2018 #151
We just won an election in a swing district where health care was the most important issue BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #152
Yep 2left4u Mar 2018 #154
"Not everyone's life revolves around race." BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #172
Well said, EB. I am increasingly suspicious of the "Make Nice With Trumpsters" threads on DU. Paladin Mar 2018 #136
You hit the nail on the head. Sadly, we can't even discuss or question them without lunamagica Mar 2018 #141
(1) Dilution of energy and focus, (2) Reconciliation, (3) Ideological accommodation dalton99a Mar 2018 #146
Hmmm 2left4u Mar 2018 #147
What someone has said (You, 2left4u, I think) is that... LAS14 Mar 2018 #163
Yes 2left4u Mar 2018 #165
+1 BlueWI Mar 2018 #186
Baloney, baloney, baloney!!!! LAS14 Mar 2018 #164
Thank you EffieBlack. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #144
Or let me put it more simply gay texan Mar 2018 #159
so what's the solution? Locrian Mar 2018 #161
Exactly! Thanks for this. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #162
I love how you jump around my threads cheerleading and encouraging everyone who EffieBlack Mar 2018 #166
Yes, I am invested in my mission to keep the flag of intelligence flying among progressives. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #167
Yes, I'm sure that's what it is ... EffieBlack Mar 2018 #168
*They* are the problem, *They* ARE that division you mention ck4829 Mar 2018 #181
Break it down to the DNC. whathehell Mar 2018 #171
I understand Trump voters all too well. Ill do my reaching out to Millenials and minority voters. argyl Mar 2018 #175
Except for the ones that voted for Obama twice 2left4u Mar 2018 #178
Actually, anyone who voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump is confused EffieBlack Mar 2018 #184
I agree with you on that...confused is being polite 2left4u Mar 2018 #236
Thats a rare breed in my experience. The one thing they wouldnt call Obama is Mr. President. argyl Mar 2018 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author goldenheart Mar 2018 #179
How do the Democrats appeal to voters who want great wealth and power over others? And why would we EffieBlack Mar 2018 #185
Forget It goldenheart Mar 2018 #194
Not much flesh left on this dead horse..... Glamrock Mar 2018 #187
So true, but still... BlueWI Mar 2018 #197
if you vote for a racist, you ARE a racist Skittles Mar 2018 #190
I don't think voting for a racist necessarily makes one a racist ... EffieBlack Mar 2018 #193
My favorite - "He's pissing the Liberals off. That's all I care about!" Oneironaut Mar 2018 #199
The built in destruct mechanism for liberalism is tolerance for people who would murder them Abu Pepe Mar 2018 #200
Yup. Antidemocratic ideologies, world views and symbols are NOT free speech. There's a terrible cost FreepFryer Mar 2018 #202
Snd yet, no. I cant go for banning any speech or symbol. Abu Pepe Mar 2018 #204
A ban isn't the core of the issue. FreepFryer Mar 2018 #205
Shame works, usually better than anything among homo sapiens Abu Pepe Mar 2018 #206
As we have seen, not everyone is susceptible to shame. Denazification works too. (n/t) FreepFryer Mar 2018 #207
Once they are de-Nazified, we can look to understand and help them recover from their actions. (n/t) FreepFryer Mar 2018 #201
Trump supporters are traitors to our Democracy! BlueJac Mar 2018 #211
There are "Trump supporters" and there are those who voted for Trump in ignorance Nitram Mar 2018 #213
I have been making this point constantly - but some insist on mischaracterizing what I've said EffieBlack Mar 2018 #219
Exactly. If we lump them all together, we will lose elections. Nitram Mar 2018 #220
I dont lump them together definitionally, but they need to sort themselves out EffieBlack Mar 2018 #223
Ye will judge them by their actions. A bunch of ex-Trump voters just voted for a Democrat in Nitram Mar 2018 #224
Ding! Ding! Ding! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #229
Some are purists and have a thing about being "more liberal than thou." Nitram Mar 2018 #244
It's all about our message 2left4u Mar 2018 #238
Not about name-calling - but we should call them out for their behavior. Pretending that voting for EffieBlack Mar 2018 #240
I agree 2left4u Mar 2018 #242
Nobody is saying "voting for Trump was an innocent mistake." We are saying Democrats are welcome Nitram Mar 2018 #243
Did some DUers get tired of winning? IronLionZion Mar 2018 #214
They view "Liberal" as evil Cary Mar 2018 #215
I get the "I've chosen to overlook" his sexism and sexual assault of women mcar Mar 2018 #221
And some of these are the same people who claim they voted for Obama but soured on him because they EffieBlack Mar 2018 #228
Well said, Effie. brer cat Mar 2018 #222
People are still sawing that log? tazkcmo Mar 2018 #251
I have my own ideas. What do you think? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #252
Everyone needs a hobby tazkcmo Mar 2018 #254
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