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MineralMan

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30. And now this one, which killed someone.

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:11 PM

Mar 2018

So, now there are two accidents. This one was fatal.

I can't tell you how many times, I've anticipated some pedestrian stepping out in front of me from between cars and have taken action to prevent an accident. I've been driving for 55 years now, and have never had even a single accident. I drive completely engaged at all times, and try to anticipate what is going to happen.

Can the Uber car spot the head of some woman standing between two cars and about to step into the street? I can. I have. I've stopped and avoided the accident.

People do the unexpected. My brain can anticipate such things. My brain is smarter than the Uber car's brain. I guarantee that.

As I said, this is just the first of many such accidents that take someone's life. So far, the self-driving vehicle doesn't have all that much time on the road. It's also not programmed with the same kind of heuristics my own brain is capable of. We haven't advance AI research that far or even close to it.

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Self-Driving Uber Car Kills Arizona Pedestrian. [View all] elleng Mar 2018 OP

with a human "safety" driver in the car. unblock Mar 2018 #1

Agreed. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #26

Well that should end that stupid concept Cartoonist Mar 2018 #2

Which stupid concept? /nt tonedevil Mar 2018 #3

Really. elleng Mar 2018 #6

Did we ban normal cars the first time Codeine Mar 2018 #8

+1000, people are clueless about innovation. Look at early plane flights! Risky! nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #76

'Cause human drivers NEVER kill pedestrians. NT Adrahil Mar 2018 #9

Well, that's totally different. Somehow. nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #38

Cars of any kind are killing people and the planet gyroscope Mar 2018 #64

People dont WANT public transit. Codeine Mar 2018 #85

Not necessarily gyroscope Mar 2018 #92

That depend on what part of the public GWC58 Mar 2018 #102

That's why more of it needs to be built gyroscope Mar 2018 #103

I think it is going to work. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #14

You're kidding, right? gratuitous Mar 2018 #17

It is nice not to be visually handicapped jberryhill Mar 2018 #18

The number of pedestrians killed by human driver cars is off the charts in AZ grantcart Mar 2018 #54

Expecting perfection isn't reasonable. fescuerescue Mar 2018 #62

Wow, how short sighted are you......... USALiberal Mar 2018 #70

Another perspective: Self-driving cars work well in normal traffic situations... brush Mar 2018 #78

In the 30s and 40s planes crashed a lot...... USALiberal Mar 2018 #79

Perhaps. But that point has not been reached yet. brush Mar 2018 #80

And will never be reached without continued testing. 30,000 die a year now. it wil reduce deaths. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #81

I agree with continued testing. brush Mar 2018 #84

Small Wonder The River Mar 2018 #4

How this plays out in court will set the course for self-driving cars Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #5

I don't think this will be the case that sets the tone. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #15

sorry this one was a jaywalker Egnever Mar 2018 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #50

No way to know for sure yet Egnever Mar 2018 #51

A person stepping into moving traffic? alphafemale Mar 2018 #58

Prrrrretty much. nt Codeine Mar 2018 #86

The video is out now and it's not looking good for the car/attendant/company. brush Mar 2018 #99

I would say it's a mixed bag Egnever Mar 2018 #100

It's pretty well established right now fescuerescue Mar 2018 #63

Maybe she just walked in front of it Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #7

The first of many such deaths to come, I'm afraid. MineralMan Mar 2018 #10

I agree Sunsky Mar 2018 #13

Sorry but that is just not true. Egnever Mar 2018 #29

And now this one, which killed someone. MineralMan Mar 2018 #30

This one was a jaywalker Egnever Mar 2018 #32

So? A machine killed a woman. MineralMan Mar 2018 #37

no a woman killed herself by walking into traffic. Egnever Mar 2018 #40

No. She absolutely did NOT kill herself. MineralMan Mar 2018 #43

She almost certainly did Egnever Mar 2018 #44

the relevant question is really whether or not a human driver would have been JCanete Mar 2018 #55

Pedestrians DIE daily from human drivers. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #74

So NO pedestrians have been killed by drivers before this one???? USALiberal Mar 2018 #73

For being an tech writer you seem pretty clueless about innovation.... USALiberal Mar 2018 #72

The blind community is going to have a hard time with this underpants Mar 2018 #41

you seem to think these cars just drive with no awareness of what is around them. Egnever Mar 2018 #46

The blind LOVE Uber underpants Mar 2018 #49

I do not understand what the problem is. Egnever Mar 2018 #53

Yes at the normal crossing points underpants Mar 2018 #56

You have NO IDEA what the situation was. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #71

Where is your concern about pedestrials being killed by manned drivers? former9thward Mar 2018 #87

I am not a fan of these cars. Too many variables involved. Tipperary Mar 2018 #11

I feel the same about human drivers. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #22

30,000 die a year by human mistakes. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #82

Now we will find out why they have a human co-pilot. lpbk2713 Mar 2018 #12

The pedestrian hit was jaywalking Egnever Mar 2018 #31

People jaywalk all the time gyroscope Mar 2018 #65

Was Arizona chosen as a state with low population or very weak personal injury laws? TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #16

Neither. It's because AZ agreed to cooperate marybourg Mar 2018 #19

Arizona's weather is also a factor gratuitous Mar 2018 #23

I don't think you have a very solid grasp of these things Egnever Mar 2018 #34

Yep. My buddy works for one of the big auto carriers. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #39

That makes no sense to me. Mariana Mar 2018 #45

the risk doesn't go down a little Egnever Mar 2018 #47

Thank you, I think I understand. Mariana Mar 2018 #60

Risk, you say? gratuitous Mar 2018 #61

That right there will be a HUGE HUGE driver for driversless cars fescuerescue Mar 2018 #66

Statistically, 100+ were killed yesterday Thew Mar 2018 #20

Out of how many cars? exboyfil Mar 2018 #25

The metric is miles driven, not number of cars. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author fescuerescue Mar 2018 #67

There's not enough information to say anything meaningful. Jim__ Mar 2018 #21

From my uderstanding the sensors act more like radar than like cameras Egnever Mar 2018 #33

I think you're right. They do have vision systems. Jim__ Mar 2018 #36

I have a difficult time seeing how this is going to work exboyfil Mar 2018 #24

In general yes it can Egnever Mar 2018 #27

Yes 30,000 die a year in auto accidents. So it is not working well either. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #75

Contributory negligence by a jaywalker FarCenter Mar 2018 #35

I wonder (assume?) if there will be a video? Probably? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #42

I am quite sure there will not only be a video Egnever Mar 2018 #48

The sensors on the vehicle will make this the best documented traffic fatality ever FarCenter Mar 2018 #57

If it could stop instantly it would kill the passengers. alphafemale Mar 2018 #59

The topic of self-driving cars is a great example of Dunning-Krueger fescuerescue Mar 2018 #68

Yes. I know I know nothing, elleng Mar 2018 #69

Actually knowing nothing about the subject, means you don't have any basis mythology Mar 2018 #88

Annual Global Road Crash Statistics elleng Mar 2018 #91

I promise you, my post wasn't about you. fescuerescue Mar 2018 #93

Thanks. I took no offense. elleng Mar 2018 #97

No such thing as bug-less software. rickford66 Mar 2018 #77

People freeze up far more than computers. Codeine Mar 2018 #89

Great until the divide by zero happens. rickford66 Mar 2018 #90

Agree, computers are fundamentally dumb, radius777 Mar 2018 #94

Self driving cars will save 1000s by 2025. Guaranteed...... USALiberal Mar 2018 #95

I saw the dashcam and I'm not sure it would have made a difference with a human driver inwiththenew Mar 2018 #83

It would not have. Nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #96

Warning: Video goes right up to just before the accident. SomethingNew Mar 2018 #98

Why self driving cars before self driving lawn mowers? Or Zambonis? Freelancer Mar 2018 #101