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MineralMan

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37. So? A machine killed a woman.

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:39 PM

Mar 2018

People jaywalk. Humans know that and notice them, if they're paying attention. So, you appear to be saying that it's OK because the self-driving car just killed a jaywalker because that's OK. She shouldn't have jaywalked? Feh!

I have stopped for jaywalkers hundreds of times. I'm aware of jaywalkers and other people who do stupid things. You know, kids chasing a ball into the street. Dogs running into the street. Even the odd deer.

You're wrong too about my heuristic abilities compared to the computer in an autonomous vehicle. Way wrong.

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Self-Driving Uber Car Kills Arizona Pedestrian. [View all] elleng Mar 2018 OP

with a human "safety" driver in the car. unblock Mar 2018 #1

Agreed. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #26

Well that should end that stupid concept Cartoonist Mar 2018 #2

Which stupid concept? /nt tonedevil Mar 2018 #3

Really. elleng Mar 2018 #6

Did we ban normal cars the first time Codeine Mar 2018 #8

+1000, people are clueless about innovation. Look at early plane flights! Risky! nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #76

'Cause human drivers NEVER kill pedestrians. NT Adrahil Mar 2018 #9

Well, that's totally different. Somehow. nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #38

Cars of any kind are killing people and the planet gyroscope Mar 2018 #64

People dont WANT public transit. Codeine Mar 2018 #85

Not necessarily gyroscope Mar 2018 #92

That depend on what part of the public GWC58 Mar 2018 #102

That's why more of it needs to be built gyroscope Mar 2018 #103

I think it is going to work. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #14

You're kidding, right? gratuitous Mar 2018 #17

It is nice not to be visually handicapped jberryhill Mar 2018 #18

The number of pedestrians killed by human driver cars is off the charts in AZ grantcart Mar 2018 #54

Expecting perfection isn't reasonable. fescuerescue Mar 2018 #62

Wow, how short sighted are you......... USALiberal Mar 2018 #70

Another perspective: Self-driving cars work well in normal traffic situations... brush Mar 2018 #78

In the 30s and 40s planes crashed a lot...... USALiberal Mar 2018 #79

Perhaps. But that point has not been reached yet. brush Mar 2018 #80

And will never be reached without continued testing. 30,000 die a year now. it wil reduce deaths. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #81

I agree with continued testing. brush Mar 2018 #84

Small Wonder The River Mar 2018 #4

How this plays out in court will set the course for self-driving cars Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #5

I don't think this will be the case that sets the tone. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #15

sorry this one was a jaywalker Egnever Mar 2018 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #50

No way to know for sure yet Egnever Mar 2018 #51

A person stepping into moving traffic? alphafemale Mar 2018 #58

Prrrrretty much. nt Codeine Mar 2018 #86

The video is out now and it's not looking good for the car/attendant/company. brush Mar 2018 #99

I would say it's a mixed bag Egnever Mar 2018 #100

It's pretty well established right now fescuerescue Mar 2018 #63

Maybe she just walked in front of it Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #7

The first of many such deaths to come, I'm afraid. MineralMan Mar 2018 #10

I agree Sunsky Mar 2018 #13

Sorry but that is just not true. Egnever Mar 2018 #29

And now this one, which killed someone. MineralMan Mar 2018 #30

This one was a jaywalker Egnever Mar 2018 #32

So? A machine killed a woman. MineralMan Mar 2018 #37

no a woman killed herself by walking into traffic. Egnever Mar 2018 #40

No. She absolutely did NOT kill herself. MineralMan Mar 2018 #43

She almost certainly did Egnever Mar 2018 #44

the relevant question is really whether or not a human driver would have been JCanete Mar 2018 #55

Pedestrians DIE daily from human drivers. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #74

So NO pedestrians have been killed by drivers before this one???? USALiberal Mar 2018 #73

For being an tech writer you seem pretty clueless about innovation.... USALiberal Mar 2018 #72

The blind community is going to have a hard time with this underpants Mar 2018 #41

you seem to think these cars just drive with no awareness of what is around them. Egnever Mar 2018 #46

The blind LOVE Uber underpants Mar 2018 #49

I do not understand what the problem is. Egnever Mar 2018 #53

Yes at the normal crossing points underpants Mar 2018 #56

You have NO IDEA what the situation was. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #71

Where is your concern about pedestrials being killed by manned drivers? former9thward Mar 2018 #87

I am not a fan of these cars. Too many variables involved. Tipperary Mar 2018 #11

I feel the same about human drivers. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #22

30,000 die a year by human mistakes. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #82

Now we will find out why they have a human co-pilot. lpbk2713 Mar 2018 #12

The pedestrian hit was jaywalking Egnever Mar 2018 #31

People jaywalk all the time gyroscope Mar 2018 #65

Was Arizona chosen as a state with low population or very weak personal injury laws? TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #16

Neither. It's because AZ agreed to cooperate marybourg Mar 2018 #19

Arizona's weather is also a factor gratuitous Mar 2018 #23

I don't think you have a very solid grasp of these things Egnever Mar 2018 #34

Yep. My buddy works for one of the big auto carriers. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #39

That makes no sense to me. Mariana Mar 2018 #45

the risk doesn't go down a little Egnever Mar 2018 #47

Thank you, I think I understand. Mariana Mar 2018 #60

Risk, you say? gratuitous Mar 2018 #61

That right there will be a HUGE HUGE driver for driversless cars fescuerescue Mar 2018 #66

Statistically, 100+ were killed yesterday Thew Mar 2018 #20

Out of how many cars? exboyfil Mar 2018 #25

The metric is miles driven, not number of cars. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author fescuerescue Mar 2018 #67

There's not enough information to say anything meaningful. Jim__ Mar 2018 #21

From my uderstanding the sensors act more like radar than like cameras Egnever Mar 2018 #33

I think you're right. They do have vision systems. Jim__ Mar 2018 #36

I have a difficult time seeing how this is going to work exboyfil Mar 2018 #24

In general yes it can Egnever Mar 2018 #27

Yes 30,000 die a year in auto accidents. So it is not working well either. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #75

Contributory negligence by a jaywalker FarCenter Mar 2018 #35

I wonder (assume?) if there will be a video? Probably? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #42

I am quite sure there will not only be a video Egnever Mar 2018 #48

The sensors on the vehicle will make this the best documented traffic fatality ever FarCenter Mar 2018 #57

If it could stop instantly it would kill the passengers. alphafemale Mar 2018 #59

The topic of self-driving cars is a great example of Dunning-Krueger fescuerescue Mar 2018 #68

Yes. I know I know nothing, elleng Mar 2018 #69

Actually knowing nothing about the subject, means you don't have any basis mythology Mar 2018 #88

Annual Global Road Crash Statistics elleng Mar 2018 #91

I promise you, my post wasn't about you. fescuerescue Mar 2018 #93

Thanks. I took no offense. elleng Mar 2018 #97

No such thing as bug-less software. rickford66 Mar 2018 #77

People freeze up far more than computers. Codeine Mar 2018 #89

Great until the divide by zero happens. rickford66 Mar 2018 #90

Agree, computers are fundamentally dumb, radius777 Mar 2018 #94

Self driving cars will save 1000s by 2025. Guaranteed...... USALiberal Mar 2018 #95

I saw the dashcam and I'm not sure it would have made a difference with a human driver inwiththenew Mar 2018 #83

It would not have. Nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #96

Warning: Video goes right up to just before the accident. SomethingNew Mar 2018 #98

Why self driving cars before self driving lawn mowers? Or Zambonis? Freelancer Mar 2018 #101