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MineralMan

(151,359 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:59 PM Mar 2018

Uber Self-Driving Car Hits and Kills Arizona Pedestrian [View all]

But, see, it's OK, because she was jaywalking. She broke the law. How would an Uber self-driving car have anticipated that someone might be jaywalking? People never jaywalk, see.

That's the argument some are making. I call bullshit on that argument. I cannot even count the number of times I have stopped for a jaywalker, even some who have suddenly stepped out from between two parked cars. See, I'm a human, and I know that people do that, so I watch out for people standing between cars. Kids chasing balls, too. Dogs running out into the street.

In 55 years of driving, I have never hit anyone. Not a pedestrian. Not another car. Not a dog or a deer. I've avoided all of those things and way more than once. Way.

The human brain has excellent heuristic capabilities. An alert driver is always watching for the unexpected. I'm an alert driver. I'm human. So far, I've had zero accidents that involved collisions with anything. Heuristics. Human heuristics.

I don't want to kill a jaywalking woman. So, I watch for people who might do that. It's a thing. It happens.

Uber cars, apparently, can't see the woman who is going to walk out into the street in the middle of the block. That isn't apparently in it's AI heuristic model.

Screw that. That jaywalking woman is dead because she was killed by a machine that supposedly had AI. Not very bright AI, apparently..

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How do you explain this? jberryhill Mar 2018 #1
Why should I explain it? MineralMan Mar 2018 #4
Did that cabdriver want to kill a jaywalker? jberryhill Mar 2018 #9
Most likely he got distracted by something. That's how many accidents occur. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #35
And many others are caused by speeding or failure to obey stop signs and lights jberryhill Mar 2018 #40
Not sure where you are heading with this lame54 Mar 2018 #5
Data is not the plural of anecdote jberryhill Mar 2018 #8
Oh Jesus, jberry. I agree, but how do you propose we collect the data, in the lab or the street? ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #26
Im not familiar with the body of existing data jberryhill Mar 2018 #30
The difference is that self-driving cars come with programming instructions pnwmom Mar 2018 #37
Which is also no substitute for data jberryhill Mar 2018 #38
Eventually self-driving cars might be safer. I haven't seen the data yet. And neither pnwmom Mar 2018 #39
So they are not prepared for everyday reality lame54 Mar 2018 #2
Neither are the thousands of drugged, drunk and exhausted people on the road at any given minute Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #14
Or the idiot texting mythology Mar 2018 #17
In everyday reality, some accidents are unavoidable. Mariana Mar 2018 #44
These must be held to a higher standard lame54 Mar 2018 #46
As I said on the other thread - this will be an issue in the blind community underpants Mar 2018 #3
Depends on what you mean by "this" jberryhill Mar 2018 #6
Wow jberry I didnt know we had that link underpants Mar 2018 #11
Yes, PA has a cane law jberryhill Mar 2018 #13
Yes that is one of functions of the cane underpants Mar 2018 #15
Some people have hit someone else on their first day of driving. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #7
50 years ago this summer in Chicago, I hit a little kid CanonRay Mar 2018 #10
+1000. I don't know why some people seem to be blindly regurgitating the talking points ecstatic Mar 2018 #20
90% of all accidents are human error Egnever Mar 2018 #22
I got a chill reading this Dem2 Mar 2018 #21
I live on a street where dozens of children live. MineralMan Mar 2018 #33
Same here jberryhill Mar 2018 #41
This is such a big thing... tonedevil Mar 2018 #12
This isn't an accurate way to measure mythology Mar 2018 #16
Self driving cars don't have to be perfect. They only have to be better than the average person.... Locut0s Mar 2018 #18
how many hours of driving did that car have before it killed somebody? i've been a delivery driver f TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #25
Collectively they have a lot of hours spinbaby Mar 2018 #32
There'd be a lot of deaths if they brought that to my community ecstatic Mar 2018 #19
Self driving cars do not really rely on lighting. Egnever Mar 2018 #23
the more "technology," the better, right? not from where i'm sitting. nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #24
In the time since this accident occurred, Glassunion Mar 2018 #27
Please don't bring facts into a "let's attack technology" thread. former9thward Mar 2018 #31
As long as we're dealing in facts gratuitous Mar 2018 #43
But this dead human reached breeding age without learning to look both ways. alphafemale Mar 2018 #28
And the war between man and machine heats up. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #29
the cars are supposed to be constantly scanning for obstructions...... Takket Mar 2018 #34
Not much comfort for the victim's family I think. MineralMan Mar 2018 #36
Video released of the moments before impact........... Takket Mar 2018 #42
I agree; there's a legal definition about the last clear chance treestar Mar 2018 #45
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