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In reply to the discussion: To those insisting that we "reach out to" and "understand" Trump supporters, let me break it down [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,856 posts)231. *The media* spent too much time focusing on Trump, not enough on the Democratic message
An analysis by Duncan J. Watts and David M. Rothschild in the Columbia Journalism Review drives at the scandal-leveling tendency of large media organizations in presidential campaign coverage. As this blog has noted before, investigative reporters at major media outlets did a crackerjack job of highlighting the excesses and scandals of Donald Trumps history as a businessman. USA Today counted his thousands of lawsuits; the Associated Press dug deep into his connections with questionable figures, his unsavory business tactics and the Ukrainian ties of his campaign aide Paul Manafort; The Washington Post wrote an entire book on the guy, an investigative undertaking that included his bogus claims of charity, his impersonation of his own flack and a great deal of other things; the New York Times pounded away at his mistreatment of women. So many other outlets contributed to the impressive patdown.
And yet: The various Clinton-related email scandalsher use of a private email server while secretary of state, as well as the DNC and John Podesta hacksaccounted for more sentences than all of Trumps scandals combined (65,000 vs. 40,000) and more than twice as many as were devoted to all of her policy positions, write Watts and Rothschild.
The sentiment may sound familiar to readers of the Erik Wemple Blog. Back in December 2016, we cited a study by Thomas E. Patterson of Harvard Universitys Shorenstein Center covering the final stages of the 2016 campaign. On this very topic of investigative focus, Patterson wrote, Clintons controversies got more attention than Trumps (19 percent versus 15 percent) and were more focused. Trump wallowed in a cascade of separate controversies. Clintons badgering had a laser-like focus. She was alleged to be scandal-prone. Clintons alleged scandals accounted for 16 percent of her coveragefour times the amount of press attention paid to Trumps treatment of women and sixteen times the amount of news coverage given to Clintons most heavily covered policy position.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/12/08/another-study-bombs-clinton-trump-campaign-coverage/?utm_term=.20c1aba9a0a5
And yet: The various Clinton-related email scandalsher use of a private email server while secretary of state, as well as the DNC and John Podesta hacksaccounted for more sentences than all of Trumps scandals combined (65,000 vs. 40,000) and more than twice as many as were devoted to all of her policy positions, write Watts and Rothschild.
The sentiment may sound familiar to readers of the Erik Wemple Blog. Back in December 2016, we cited a study by Thomas E. Patterson of Harvard Universitys Shorenstein Center covering the final stages of the 2016 campaign. On this very topic of investigative focus, Patterson wrote, Clintons controversies got more attention than Trumps (19 percent versus 15 percent) and were more focused. Trump wallowed in a cascade of separate controversies. Clintons badgering had a laser-like focus. She was alleged to be scandal-prone. Clintons alleged scandals accounted for 16 percent of her coveragefour times the amount of press attention paid to Trumps treatment of women and sixteen times the amount of news coverage given to Clintons most heavily covered policy position.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/12/08/another-study-bombs-clinton-trump-campaign-coverage/?utm_term=.20c1aba9a0a5
And Clinton had extensive detail of her policies available. But the media ignored it, and just repeated Trump's soundbites, though they were usually stupid, insulting, or contradictory.
Saying "Ds tend to be more issue oriented voters" and "when they go low, go high" is, however, saying "don't try to get the Trump voters". Trump voters were those who didn't go for issues (unless "issues" to them means "ban all abortion" or similar), they went for his insults of Hillary, and his general "don't trust any politician" schtick. They showed you don't get their vote by going high.
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To those insisting that we "reach out to" and "understand" Trump supporters, let me break it down [View all]
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
OP
Trump voters and Trump voter defenders can fuck off! They're all sympathizers and enablers...
NurseJackie
Mar 2018
#2
Sorry, I meant to respond to Hueyman. I agree with your post. I will delete and re-post.
brush
Mar 2018
#89
There were non-racists who voted for Trump, despite his obvious racism...
thesquanderer
Mar 2018
#70
Painting with a broad brush, without looking at individuals can be "common sense"...
thesquanderer
Mar 2018
#188
I understand your point that racism is simply not as important to them as other things,
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#235
For me, the bottom one is not whats in their hearts. I dont care if they meet the definition
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#247
"These are potential D voters in 2020 if we give them a good reason to vote D"
lunamagica
Mar 2018
#120
Those are people who will NEVER vote democrat. Pandering to them -like Gore did by
lunamagica
Mar 2018
#149
*The media* spent too much time focusing on Trump, not enough on the Democratic message
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2018
#231
So Trump had great success saying "my opposition is useless", but we should avoid saying that
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2018
#237
Anyone who would be turned off if we go after Trump needs to stay over theres with him
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#239
Lamb ran in the most Republican district it's possible to think could be flipped
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2018
#245
The problem is saying we need to "reach out to" people who voted for a bigot
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2018
#250
I posted my comment before I saw yours, which says exactly what I wanted, only better!
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#255
There's an old saying about counting your electronic votes before they've hatched. -nt
CrispyQ
Mar 2018
#24
And we only had to let the worst person of all time get elected president to do so
hueymahl
Mar 2018
#25
If you're saying they're decent people, they'll come around on their own. Let them, but not...
brush
Mar 2018
#57
Until we deal with the Fox News and their traitor shows, wingnuts will never be abandon Dotard.
Pepsidog
Mar 2018
#67
The deplorables are unreachable unless the democratic party wants to welcome racists
workinclasszero
Mar 2018
#8
All the time, effort and manpower to get one damn Trump voter to grudgingly vote democratic
workinclasszero
Mar 2018
#98
Here are the Trump voters you are so passionate about going after...good luck! LOLOL
workinclasszero
Mar 2018
#100
LOL- how many threads about Trump voters did you start? Its your passion alright.
bettyellen
Mar 2018
#139
Not only is there a plethora of "It's political suicide not to reach out to Trump supporter" OPs
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#182
Reach out, perhaps not. But, you've got to understand the virus to properly eradicate it.
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2018
#9
What is it's source? Such as Southern Paternalism, Evangelicalism, Cloistered or Remote Tribalism?
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2018
#126
I'm afraid that doesn't explain the racism in large cities, such as Boston or Philadelphia.
Demit
Mar 2018
#212
I'm sure there is peer reviewed research on the topics. What you ask can not be answered in a post.
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2018
#225
I was only asking you to explain "you've got to understand the virus to properly eradicate it."
Demit
Mar 2018
#226
Is this a troll post, asking to be spoon-fed with countless redirects? You asked about cities next.
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2018
#227
If their loyalties can switch that easily, they can be snatched back easily, too
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#230
If you think asking someone to enlarge on their breezy generalization is trolling,
Demit
Mar 2018
#258
Trump supporters and the wide group of Fox News conservatives have been programmed to hate liberals
lancelyons
Mar 2018
#27
I tried to reach out to the them in the GC & RKBA sub forum and that didn't work out well
ffr
Mar 2018
#48
If they even cared one rip about the fact that their party is destroying the country my
onecaliberal
Mar 2018
#49
Yep. I would rather make sure minorities can vote and we're upholding our Constitutional values
ck4829
Mar 2018
#51
The thing that made this crystal clear to me is they supported a fucking child molester rather than
onecaliberal
Mar 2018
#91
It Texas, the Texas Democratic Party focused on winning east Texas for too long
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#71
In Texas we wasted a ton of time and money going after trump voters in East Texas
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#176
I don't think I can reach out...they make me feel all yucky inside when I hear them talk
C Moon
Mar 2018
#85
Great post, Effie! I agree completely! Time is precious, and should not be wasted on people
lunamagica
Mar 2018
#124
Your very premise is wrong, but hey, don't let that stop the Two Minute Hate jerk-fest.
Decoy of Fenris
Mar 2018
#130
Always a pleasure. Here's hoping we can maintain that edge. This place has me wondering some days nt
Decoy of Fenris
Mar 2018
#133
We just won an election in a swing district where health care was the most important issue
BeyondGeography
Mar 2018
#152
Well said, EB. I am increasingly suspicious of the "Make Nice With Trumpsters" threads on DU.
Paladin
Mar 2018
#136
You hit the nail on the head. Sadly, we can't even discuss or question them without
lunamagica
Mar 2018
#141
(1) Dilution of energy and focus, (2) Reconciliation, (3) Ideological accommodation
dalton99a
Mar 2018
#146
I love how you jump around my threads cheerleading and encouraging everyone who
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#166
Yes, I am invested in my mission to keep the flag of intelligence flying among progressives. nt
LAS14
Mar 2018
#167
I understand Trump voters all too well. Ill do my reaching out to Millenials and minority voters.
argyl
Mar 2018
#175
Actually, anyone who voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump is confused
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#184
Thats a rare breed in my experience. The one thing they wouldnt call Obama is Mr. President.
argyl
Mar 2018
#195
How do the Democrats appeal to voters who want great wealth and power over others? And why would we
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#185
The built in destruct mechanism for liberalism is tolerance for people who would murder them
Abu Pepe
Mar 2018
#200
Yup. Antidemocratic ideologies, world views and symbols are NOT free speech. There's a terrible cost
FreepFryer
Mar 2018
#202
As we have seen, not everyone is susceptible to shame. Denazification works too. (n/t)
FreepFryer
Mar 2018
#207
Once they are de-Nazified, we can look to understand and help them recover from their actions. (n/t)
FreepFryer
Mar 2018
#201
There are "Trump supporters" and there are those who voted for Trump in ignorance
Nitram
Mar 2018
#213
I have been making this point constantly - but some insist on mischaracterizing what I've said
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#219
I dont lump them together definitionally, but they need to sort themselves out
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#223
Ye will judge them by their actions. A bunch of ex-Trump voters just voted for a Democrat in
Nitram
Mar 2018
#224
Not about name-calling - but we should call them out for their behavior. Pretending that voting for
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#240
Nobody is saying "voting for Trump was an innocent mistake." We are saying Democrats are welcome
Nitram
Mar 2018
#243
And some of these are the same people who claim they voted for Obama but soured on him because they
EffieBlack
Mar 2018
#228