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36. Perhaps, but in this case I think it is because this district is an Open Primary, and republcians

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Wed Mar 21, 2018, 09:53 AM

Mar 2018

were allowed to vote in the Democratic primary.

This is the perfect example why Open Primaries are a bad idea

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Conservative Democrat Dan Lipinski Survives Primary Challenge From The Left [View all] Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 OP

I agree. Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #1

Yes. I think Representative Pelosi was playing political odds, and did so thinking because he still_one Mar 2018 #6

I think all these decisions are the result of long and Hortensis Mar 2018 #64

add that to the fact that this was an open primary race still_one Mar 2018 #113

I've come to hate those. Hortensis Mar 2018 #125

Me too...we have them in Ohio. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #128

I figured as much Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #175

I sure hope so, but she is an educated woman who knows math real well so I am pretty sure Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #102

Maybe she thought if she endorsed him it would have the opposite affect Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #176

All I know is I remember 2nd grade Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #177

Sh!t. shanny Mar 2018 #2

I take it you haven't checked Lipinski's voting record--either. Hortensis Mar 2018 #68

Thank you for this information pandr32 Mar 2018 #126

Was this a closed primary? nt Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #3

Nope Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #4

If it was not closed NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #14

Not only not closed but look at this shit Exotica Mar 2018 #15

I posted some info on his voting record above. Hortensis Mar 2018 #69

Yep. The R's love him here. Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #167

We're all over the place on DU EffieBlack Mar 2018 #5

My response Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #8

Effie, as you alluded to, Nancy Pelosi was playing the political odds. I personally believe it still_one Mar 2018 #16

Lots of republicans likely voted for Lipinski because their choice is a Nazi. Blue_true Mar 2018 #21

This is an Open Primary. I wasn't aware of that. I absolutely agree with you, open primaries still_one Mar 2018 #29

Open primaries are the one thing that can revive the GOP and any group which also opposes Dems. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #105

Yup still_one Mar 2018 #112

This all very nteresting, isnt it? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #71

As someone has pointed out this was an open primary, and that makes a big difference still_one Mar 2018 #115

An Observation Brawndo Mar 2018 #7

He is also a homophobic and xenophobic bigot. Anti LGBTQ, Anti Exotica Mar 2018 #12

Pelosi may have more complete information on the voter makeup of the district than you do? Blue_true Mar 2018 #27

voter make-up? The Republican opponent is LITERALLY a neo nazi. Exotica Mar 2018 #41

Someone else posted detailed info on Lipinski's district. Blue_true Mar 2018 #58

a district that voted for Sanders over Clintion in 2016, and has not elected a Republican Exotica Mar 2018 #60

You make your assumptions, actual data say there could have been problems. Blue_true Mar 2018 #65

ridiculous, I really mean it Exotica Mar 2018 #70

Again, you make assumptions. Blue_true Mar 2018 #73

Who? Show me where an open neo nazi was elected to the US House Exotica Mar 2018 #74

When in last 100 years has an open bigot supported by Nazis and KKK been elected President? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #81

A guy who was openly racist and was ridiculed as reindeer man, Blue_true Mar 2018 #83

I see you are still arguing with people about MATH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #84

who? link please Exotica Mar 2018 #107

He is very racist. Was called reindeer man. Blue_true Mar 2018 #110

who? You have not given me a name, nor addressed any of my legitimate points Exotica Mar 2018 #111

Are you even replying to my posts. Blue_true Mar 2018 #114

show me where you gave me the name. I just went throw the whole thread and do not see it Exotica Mar 2018 #118

I have replied to you. Blue_true Mar 2018 #120

Let me look through the entire OP thread again, from post 1 to the end Exotica Mar 2018 #121

this is every post to all on this entire OP you have made so far, to me and to others Exotica Mar 2018 #129

also you posted a factually untrue reply Exotica Mar 2018 #138

Not true Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #122

Thank you! Exotica Mar 2018 #133

+1 jalan48 Mar 2018 #124

Holding a seat is not only important but imperative when you have no power and are trying Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #154

Ffs. So disappointed. Exotica Mar 2018 #9

Don't be. This is the will of the people of IL's 3rd. Hortensis Mar 2018 #72

And having ONE more seat than the Nazi's is how we stop them from destroying us, everything. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #85

Because you're a warrior for democracy, Eliot. :) Hortensis Mar 2018 #96

AT some point we will need a safe environment from which to say things that can Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #100

+100. A fundamental conflict for social media Hortensis Mar 2018 #119

Outside groups need to stay out of local politics...let the people of the district decide. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #131

:) Hortensis Mar 2018 #132

Hello! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #153

Lol. GO, Democracy! Hortensis Mar 2018 #158

Agree! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #166

I don't live in Illinois, but this is Lipinski's district: LeftInTX Mar 2018 #10

It was a very close race, and that points to significant inroads made in that district to change in still_one Mar 2018 #22

I always wonder about races that are so close. I wonder about the machines. mucifer Mar 2018 #30

Perhaps, but in this case I think it is because this district is an Open Primary, and republcians still_one Mar 2018 #36

Open primaries are the idea of GOP and putin. Well, GOP for sure. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #86

In a Democratic primary, there is no need to worry about machines in my opinion. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #136

republicans want democrats who vote anti choice and anti ACA mucifer Mar 2018 #171

This guy voted for the ACA...after Trump was elected...and there are not going to be any Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #179

The progressive candidate may have adhered to a limited platform. Blue_true Mar 2018 #38

Anti choice, anti ACA, refused to endorse Obama - the election is actually Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #11

As someone has pointed out this was an Open Primary, and a perfect example why Open Primaries are still_one Mar 2018 #33

couldn't disagree stronger, more.... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #87

So true. And some of us will not care if there are actual principles the Democratic Party stands by Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #88

It must have been the wrong challenger... probably too far left for the voters in that district. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #13

Not really. If Rs can vote for Ds in primary and the R is a Nazi, I can see a lot of Rs Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #17

That, too. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2018 #19

But, I thought "open primaries" is what the far left wanted. This outcome... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #23

Isn't that the truth Jackie. This is the perfect example of why Open Primaries are flawed. They still_one Mar 2018 #34

Thank you! I recall in previous election cycles many "free-thinking" left-unaffiliated voters.... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #45

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Mar 2018 #49

Then the Party should pay for primary elections TransitJohn Mar 2018 #141

Agreed. This funding shortcut actually short-changes the party faithful. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #144

NO, parties are part of the election process...so join a party. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #148

No on joins a party in Illinois. former9thward Mar 2018 #180

I used to live in Illinois ...they have open primaries as does Ohio...I forgot. I hate open Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #185

I agree with you. former9thward Mar 2018 #186

I prefer our system over Europe...as it often leads to minority rule...often by conservatives too. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #187

I don't know what the "far left" wants. And why would an even MORE left-leaning approach have Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #40

If you don't understand, them I'm afraid we've reached an impasse. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #79

Did Ms. Newman trash the Democratic Party? Did someone encourage people not to support her? I am Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #91

"I am confused" --- Clearly so. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #116

One more person for a majority...which we need. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #140

He voted to keep the ACA . Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #149

Consistency is the hobgoblin of something or other EffieBlack Mar 2018 #75

Open primaries are giving the dying GOP new breath. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #89

Lipinski ran lots of attack ads against Marie Newman. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2018 #18

Attack ads are effective... especially against challengers who aren't prepared for the onslaught. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #28

It's very disappointing. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2018 #37

a Democrat in what way? He didnt support Obama, he is anti LGBTQ, he is anti immigrant, Anti Choice Exotica Mar 2018 #24

Maybe someone should start a petition to get him to become a Republican, eh? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #35

he votes against so many CORE issues I stand for (abotion rights, LGBTQ rights, Obamacare, Exotica Mar 2018 #54

But he's NOT a Republican, so be glad for that. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #97

you make erroneous assumptions and positings. I have supported Pelosi broadly on this board Exotica Mar 2018 #117

Well, I can see you're upset. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #127

It is a Democratic Seat...that will help get a majority that will protect those things you care a Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #151

I blame the open primary as the primary driver of Lipinski's winning, but it was so close Exotica Mar 2018 #160

If we have the House...you can bet we won't be bringing up abortion issues or LGBTQ issues...we Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #165

I agree 100% with this, thank you for the cogent replies! Exotica Mar 2018 #169

I get it...my daughter was threatened at college by right wing assholes. I showed up Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #181

I swear to god, maybe some folks actually STILL dont understand MATH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #92

I know. I know. Ugh. People who say such things (or believe such things) are... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #103

He has a D next to his name and can help us get a majority. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #155

My guess is republicans that don't want to vote for a Nazi pulled Lipinski through. Blue_true Mar 2018 #43

"One thing that race shows is why open primaries are bullshit." --- EXACTLY!! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #50

my way of thinking is bluestarone Mar 2018 #20

Would you rather he caucus with the Republicans? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #25

why not? bluestarone Mar 2018 #31

Because... fucking MATH!!! (That's why.) NurseJackie Mar 2018 #56

Well i gotta agree with the MATH argument that's for sure BUT bluestarone Mar 2018 #173

At this point, that's the best we can hope for... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #174

Oh, at least 50% completely wrong. :) Hortensis Mar 2018 #76

It doesn't even matter how he votes in the big picture, with an R in the seat the vote to protect Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #93

We need a majority...if he caucused with them, he would help with their majority...without a Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #156

He always votes with them mucifer Mar 2018 #32

That didn't respond to my question. Would you rather the Republicans have a one-seat advantage? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #47

I'd rather we had a D that worked with us and not them. It was possible. mucifer Mar 2018 #51

I would rather have ten million dollars, and look like Brad Pitt. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #94

You mean you dont? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #104

More like Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #106

He does not. Why the lie? Link to his ratings/voting record below Persondem Mar 2018 #134

That is untrue...I posted his voting record. He voted to keep the ACA... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #152

He may not caucus with them but I can almost guarantee he will vote with them. Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #42

Probably. So do you see NO benefit of having an extra "D" in our column? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #48

If this is an honest question - my answer is "I don't know until I see what he supports" Right now Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #53

In our quest to regain the majority in the House, that one "D" could be very meaningful. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #62

Do you understand that without a majority, it doesn't matter what we stand for. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #157

I understand that it matters what I stand for and I choose politicians Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #172

Well in essence what you get if you are so incredibly pure is what we have which is Republican Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #178

Not pure. I disagree with Jim Himes on some things and not others but I support Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #183

I think having meaningful policy matters but if all you can do for a while is stop the other guy Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #184

Id rather have a D who votes with us 90% of the time than an R EffieBlack Mar 2018 #78

I would rather have a D who NEVER votes with us than an R who always does. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #95

:-) EffieBlack Mar 2018 #99

G R E A T point! Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #101

He seems to best represent the politics of his district. Blue_true Mar 2018 #44

Open Primary? nt. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #26

Yes. Republicans running from their candidate appear to have pulled the conservative D through. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #46

dems are not taking any chances and I support the strategy AlexSFCA Mar 2018 #39

I disagree with the concept of saying anything to get elected. Blue_true Mar 2018 #52

The Republican opponent is literally a neo nazi. The district went for Sanders over Clinton in 2016 Exotica Mar 2018 #59

And is it possible in an open primary, the GOP voted for Sen Sanders? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #159

I was just saying that IF Newman would have won the primary, she would have crushed the nazi Jones Exotica Mar 2018 #168

New Headline "Lipinski survied Challenge from Progressive Challenger because of OPEN PRIMARIES" still_one Mar 2018 #55

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #57

Absolutely not...divide the Dem vote and you elect a Nazi...this is way to important this year...and Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #161

The Incumbent Protection racket is in full effect.... vi5 Mar 2018 #61

Leadership can support the candidate they deem to have the best chance...that is not Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #162

This is the kind of crap OP I hate seeing - just hyperbolic, unsubstantiated accusations Persondem Mar 2018 #63

I will admit Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #145

But he won...so try again in two years...his Dad held that seat too...it is a legacy seat. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #163

K&R! nt Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #66

That's somewhat disappointing, for sure. MineralMan Mar 2018 #67

Seven-term incumbent. His constituents chose him again. Hortensis Mar 2018 #77

Apparently so. Since that district is not even in my state, MineralMan Mar 2018 #80

Yes. I'd much rather he be replaced by a liberal Democrat, Hortensis Mar 2018 #90

Democracy is a principle that is supported by many people only if things MineralMan Mar 2018 #98

Now you just described every single trumper. Sadly, you are also describing others. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #108

Yes, sadly. MineralMan Mar 2018 #109

I posted this too... I can't believe this guy won. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #82

Does he vote with Dems on important party line votes? IronLionZion Mar 2018 #123

He has so far...mostly. It is a conservative Democratic district I guess. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #139

Yeah Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #142

Well there isn't going to be any legislation no those issue anytime soon...and He voted to Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #147

Incumbents have an advantage. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #130

Incompetent handicapping by Nancy Pelosi Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #135

Nonsense...he was an incumbent...we need the House. She was right. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #143

That is demonstrably untrue. John McCain is a good example, there are plenty of others stevenleser Mar 2018 #164

Thanks, open primaries! Maven Mar 2018 #137

Looks like the ones who approved of 45 helped Lipinski over the hump seaglass Mar 2018 #146

That is why I hate open primaries. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #150

Grrrrrr FUCK OPEN PRIMARIES Exotica Mar 2018 #170

A comaprison shows many who normallly vote Republican voted Democatic former9thward Mar 2018 #182