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EffieBlack

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78. Id rather have a D who votes with us 90% of the time than an R

Wed Mar 21, 2018, 11:25 AM

Mar 2018

Also, usually when a Dem votes with the Rs, it’s part of a deal where leadership released them on a tough vote they need to take to keep their constituents happy. And when that happens, 9 9/10ths times out of 10, it’s a vote the Dems didn’t need to win the vote - and if they needed him, leadership wouldn’t have released him.

This is different than, for example, McCain’s healthcare vote last year when he shot down the Republicans’ entire effort. That hasn’t happened in the Democratic Caucus recently - another result of Nancy Pelosi’s badassedness.

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Conservative Democrat Dan Lipinski Survives Primary Challenge From The Left [View all] Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 OP

I agree. Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #1

Yes. I think Representative Pelosi was playing political odds, and did so thinking because he still_one Mar 2018 #6

I think all these decisions are the result of long and Hortensis Mar 2018 #64

add that to the fact that this was an open primary race still_one Mar 2018 #113

I've come to hate those. Hortensis Mar 2018 #125

Me too...we have them in Ohio. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #128

I figured as much Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #175

I sure hope so, but she is an educated woman who knows math real well so I am pretty sure Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #102

Maybe she thought if she endorsed him it would have the opposite affect Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #176

All I know is I remember 2nd grade Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #177

Sh!t. shanny Mar 2018 #2

I take it you haven't checked Lipinski's voting record--either. Hortensis Mar 2018 #68

Thank you for this information pandr32 Mar 2018 #126

Was this a closed primary? nt Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #3

Nope Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #4

If it was not closed NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #14

Not only not closed but look at this shit Exotica Mar 2018 #15

I posted some info on his voting record above. Hortensis Mar 2018 #69

Yep. The R's love him here. Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #167

We're all over the place on DU EffieBlack Mar 2018 #5

My response Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #8

Effie, as you alluded to, Nancy Pelosi was playing the political odds. I personally believe it still_one Mar 2018 #16

Lots of republicans likely voted for Lipinski because their choice is a Nazi. Blue_true Mar 2018 #21

This is an Open Primary. I wasn't aware of that. I absolutely agree with you, open primaries still_one Mar 2018 #29

Open primaries are the one thing that can revive the GOP and any group which also opposes Dems. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #105

Yup still_one Mar 2018 #112

This all very nteresting, isnt it? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #71

As someone has pointed out this was an open primary, and that makes a big difference still_one Mar 2018 #115

An Observation Brawndo Mar 2018 #7

He is also a homophobic and xenophobic bigot. Anti LGBTQ, Anti Exotica Mar 2018 #12

Pelosi may have more complete information on the voter makeup of the district than you do? Blue_true Mar 2018 #27

voter make-up? The Republican opponent is LITERALLY a neo nazi. Exotica Mar 2018 #41

Someone else posted detailed info on Lipinski's district. Blue_true Mar 2018 #58

a district that voted for Sanders over Clintion in 2016, and has not elected a Republican Exotica Mar 2018 #60

You make your assumptions, actual data say there could have been problems. Blue_true Mar 2018 #65

ridiculous, I really mean it Exotica Mar 2018 #70

Again, you make assumptions. Blue_true Mar 2018 #73

Who? Show me where an open neo nazi was elected to the US House Exotica Mar 2018 #74

When in last 100 years has an open bigot supported by Nazis and KKK been elected President? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #81

A guy who was openly racist and was ridiculed as reindeer man, Blue_true Mar 2018 #83

I see you are still arguing with people about MATH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #84

who? link please Exotica Mar 2018 #107

He is very racist. Was called reindeer man. Blue_true Mar 2018 #110

who? You have not given me a name, nor addressed any of my legitimate points Exotica Mar 2018 #111

Are you even replying to my posts. Blue_true Mar 2018 #114

show me where you gave me the name. I just went throw the whole thread and do not see it Exotica Mar 2018 #118

I have replied to you. Blue_true Mar 2018 #120

Let me look through the entire OP thread again, from post 1 to the end Exotica Mar 2018 #121

this is every post to all on this entire OP you have made so far, to me and to others Exotica Mar 2018 #129

also you posted a factually untrue reply Exotica Mar 2018 #138

Not true Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #122

Thank you! Exotica Mar 2018 #133

+1 jalan48 Mar 2018 #124

Holding a seat is not only important but imperative when you have no power and are trying Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #154

Ffs. So disappointed. Exotica Mar 2018 #9

Don't be. This is the will of the people of IL's 3rd. Hortensis Mar 2018 #72

And having ONE more seat than the Nazi's is how we stop them from destroying us, everything. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #85

Because you're a warrior for democracy, Eliot. :) Hortensis Mar 2018 #96

AT some point we will need a safe environment from which to say things that can Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #100

+100. A fundamental conflict for social media Hortensis Mar 2018 #119

Outside groups need to stay out of local politics...let the people of the district decide. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #131

:) Hortensis Mar 2018 #132

Hello! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #153

Lol. GO, Democracy! Hortensis Mar 2018 #158

Agree! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #166

I don't live in Illinois, but this is Lipinski's district: LeftInTX Mar 2018 #10

It was a very close race, and that points to significant inroads made in that district to change in still_one Mar 2018 #22

I always wonder about races that are so close. I wonder about the machines. mucifer Mar 2018 #30

Perhaps, but in this case I think it is because this district is an Open Primary, and republcians still_one Mar 2018 #36

Open primaries are the idea of GOP and putin. Well, GOP for sure. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #86

In a Democratic primary, there is no need to worry about machines in my opinion. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #136

republicans want democrats who vote anti choice and anti ACA mucifer Mar 2018 #171

This guy voted for the ACA...after Trump was elected...and there are not going to be any Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #179

The progressive candidate may have adhered to a limited platform. Blue_true Mar 2018 #38

Anti choice, anti ACA, refused to endorse Obama - the election is actually Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #11

As someone has pointed out this was an Open Primary, and a perfect example why Open Primaries are still_one Mar 2018 #33

couldn't disagree stronger, more.... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #87

So true. And some of us will not care if there are actual principles the Democratic Party stands by Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #88

It must have been the wrong challenger... probably too far left for the voters in that district. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #13

Not really. If Rs can vote for Ds in primary and the R is a Nazi, I can see a lot of Rs Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #17

That, too. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2018 #19

But, I thought "open primaries" is what the far left wanted. This outcome... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #23

Isn't that the truth Jackie. This is the perfect example of why Open Primaries are flawed. They still_one Mar 2018 #34

Thank you! I recall in previous election cycles many "free-thinking" left-unaffiliated voters.... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #45

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Mar 2018 #49

Then the Party should pay for primary elections TransitJohn Mar 2018 #141

Agreed. This funding shortcut actually short-changes the party faithful. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #144

NO, parties are part of the election process...so join a party. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #148

No on joins a party in Illinois. former9thward Mar 2018 #180

I used to live in Illinois ...they have open primaries as does Ohio...I forgot. I hate open Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #185

I agree with you. former9thward Mar 2018 #186

I prefer our system over Europe...as it often leads to minority rule...often by conservatives too. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #187

I don't know what the "far left" wants. And why would an even MORE left-leaning approach have Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #40

If you don't understand, them I'm afraid we've reached an impasse. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #79

Did Ms. Newman trash the Democratic Party? Did someone encourage people not to support her? I am Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #91

"I am confused" --- Clearly so. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #116

One more person for a majority...which we need. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #140

He voted to keep the ACA . Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #149

Consistency is the hobgoblin of something or other EffieBlack Mar 2018 #75

Open primaries are giving the dying GOP new breath. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #89

Lipinski ran lots of attack ads against Marie Newman. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2018 #18

Attack ads are effective... especially against challengers who aren't prepared for the onslaught. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #28

It's very disappointing. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2018 #37

a Democrat in what way? He didnt support Obama, he is anti LGBTQ, he is anti immigrant, Anti Choice Exotica Mar 2018 #24

Maybe someone should start a petition to get him to become a Republican, eh? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #35

he votes against so many CORE issues I stand for (abotion rights, LGBTQ rights, Obamacare, Exotica Mar 2018 #54

But he's NOT a Republican, so be glad for that. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #97

you make erroneous assumptions and positings. I have supported Pelosi broadly on this board Exotica Mar 2018 #117

Well, I can see you're upset. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #127

It is a Democratic Seat...that will help get a majority that will protect those things you care a Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #151

I blame the open primary as the primary driver of Lipinski's winning, but it was so close Exotica Mar 2018 #160

If we have the House...you can bet we won't be bringing up abortion issues or LGBTQ issues...we Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #165

I agree 100% with this, thank you for the cogent replies! Exotica Mar 2018 #169

I get it...my daughter was threatened at college by right wing assholes. I showed up Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #181

I swear to god, maybe some folks actually STILL dont understand MATH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #92

I know. I know. Ugh. People who say such things (or believe such things) are... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #103

He has a D next to his name and can help us get a majority. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #155

My guess is republicans that don't want to vote for a Nazi pulled Lipinski through. Blue_true Mar 2018 #43

"One thing that race shows is why open primaries are bullshit." --- EXACTLY!! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #50

my way of thinking is bluestarone Mar 2018 #20

Would you rather he caucus with the Republicans? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #25

why not? bluestarone Mar 2018 #31

Because... fucking MATH!!! (That's why.) NurseJackie Mar 2018 #56

Well i gotta agree with the MATH argument that's for sure BUT bluestarone Mar 2018 #173

At this point, that's the best we can hope for... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #174

Oh, at least 50% completely wrong. :) Hortensis Mar 2018 #76

It doesn't even matter how he votes in the big picture, with an R in the seat the vote to protect Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #93

We need a majority...if he caucused with them, he would help with their majority...without a Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #156

He always votes with them mucifer Mar 2018 #32

That didn't respond to my question. Would you rather the Republicans have a one-seat advantage? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #47

I'd rather we had a D that worked with us and not them. It was possible. mucifer Mar 2018 #51

I would rather have ten million dollars, and look like Brad Pitt. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #94

You mean you dont? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #104

More like Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #106

He does not. Why the lie? Link to his ratings/voting record below Persondem Mar 2018 #134

That is untrue...I posted his voting record. He voted to keep the ACA... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #152

He may not caucus with them but I can almost guarantee he will vote with them. Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #42

Probably. So do you see NO benefit of having an extra "D" in our column? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #48

If this is an honest question - my answer is "I don't know until I see what he supports" Right now Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #53

In our quest to regain the majority in the House, that one "D" could be very meaningful. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #62

Do you understand that without a majority, it doesn't matter what we stand for. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #157

I understand that it matters what I stand for and I choose politicians Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #172

Well in essence what you get if you are so incredibly pure is what we have which is Republican Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #178

Not pure. I disagree with Jim Himes on some things and not others but I support Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #183

I think having meaningful policy matters but if all you can do for a while is stop the other guy Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #184

Id rather have a D who votes with us 90% of the time than an R EffieBlack Mar 2018 #78

I would rather have a D who NEVER votes with us than an R who always does. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #95

:-) EffieBlack Mar 2018 #99

G R E A T point! Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #101

He seems to best represent the politics of his district. Blue_true Mar 2018 #44

Open Primary? nt. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #26

Yes. Republicans running from their candidate appear to have pulled the conservative D through. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #46

dems are not taking any chances and I support the strategy AlexSFCA Mar 2018 #39

I disagree with the concept of saying anything to get elected. Blue_true Mar 2018 #52

The Republican opponent is literally a neo nazi. The district went for Sanders over Clinton in 2016 Exotica Mar 2018 #59

And is it possible in an open primary, the GOP voted for Sen Sanders? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #159

I was just saying that IF Newman would have won the primary, she would have crushed the nazi Jones Exotica Mar 2018 #168

New Headline "Lipinski survied Challenge from Progressive Challenger because of OPEN PRIMARIES" still_one Mar 2018 #55

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #57

Absolutely not...divide the Dem vote and you elect a Nazi...this is way to important this year...and Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #161

The Incumbent Protection racket is in full effect.... vi5 Mar 2018 #61

Leadership can support the candidate they deem to have the best chance...that is not Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #162

This is the kind of crap OP I hate seeing - just hyperbolic, unsubstantiated accusations Persondem Mar 2018 #63

I will admit Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #145

But he won...so try again in two years...his Dad held that seat too...it is a legacy seat. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #163

K&R! nt Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #66

That's somewhat disappointing, for sure. MineralMan Mar 2018 #67

Seven-term incumbent. His constituents chose him again. Hortensis Mar 2018 #77

Apparently so. Since that district is not even in my state, MineralMan Mar 2018 #80

Yes. I'd much rather he be replaced by a liberal Democrat, Hortensis Mar 2018 #90

Democracy is a principle that is supported by many people only if things MineralMan Mar 2018 #98

Now you just described every single trumper. Sadly, you are also describing others. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #108

Yes, sadly. MineralMan Mar 2018 #109

I posted this too... I can't believe this guy won. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #82

Does he vote with Dems on important party line votes? IronLionZion Mar 2018 #123

He has so far...mostly. It is a conservative Democratic district I guess. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #139

Yeah Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #142

Well there isn't going to be any legislation no those issue anytime soon...and He voted to Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #147

Incumbents have an advantage. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #130

Incompetent handicapping by Nancy Pelosi Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #135

Nonsense...he was an incumbent...we need the House. She was right. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #143

That is demonstrably untrue. John McCain is a good example, there are plenty of others stevenleser Mar 2018 #164

Thanks, open primaries! Maven Mar 2018 #137

Looks like the ones who approved of 45 helped Lipinski over the hump seaglass Mar 2018 #146

That is why I hate open primaries. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #150

Grrrrrr FUCK OPEN PRIMARIES Exotica Mar 2018 #170

A comaprison shows many who normallly vote Republican voted Democatic former9thward Mar 2018 #182