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Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
89. I think you understood my message very well.
Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:54 PM
Mar 2018

Hillary won the popular vote, especially in California. But thanks to the electoral college and the fact that the votes of Californians like me count for only a small part of the votes of people who live in mostly conservative states like Wyoming and Montana, etc. (less than one million in population and others with less than 20 million in population), Hillary did not win the presidency.

There are various ways that the elections in the US are twisted toward conservatives. I am writing about two of them.

One is depriving certain qualified citizens of the right to vote, and the ACLU is attacking that kind of deprivation. Good for the ACLU and all who take election officials and states to court who deprive citizens of the right to vote.

Another is the electoral college. Most of the very small states, say less than 20 million in population (because California has a population of 39 million approximately), have a disproportionate number of electors in the electoral college compared to California because each state, regardless of population get one elector based on its number of representatives which is one representative for each state no matter how small and two electors for each senator. California has 55 electors. The number sounds large, but because we have only two senators, the number of votes each of those 55 electors represents is very, very large.

I have done the math on this many times on the internet and I am not doing it again today.

Each of these institutions dilutes the votes of individual liberal/progressive/Democratic voters in presidential and other elections.

And, similarly, within the Democratic Party, the existence of super delegates who get one delegate vote at the Democratic Convention which represents their own vote or opinion but not the vote of any other voter dilutes the votes of thousands of actual voters at the polls. So far, the super delegates have not actually changed the outcome at the Democratic National Convention as far as I know, but they could. And that is a threat and a potential injustice that could be easily prevented and should be prevented by doing away all together with the unnecessary rule that allows for super delegates at our conventions. The Democratic voters should decide who the Democratic candidate is. I don't think that super delegates have ever picked a candidate who was not also picked by the voters, but it could happen, and it should not be possible.

Please explain to me why you are so keen on keeping super delegates. What do they bring to Democrats that we would not have without them? Why are you so attached to the super delegate rules?

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I voted for both. David__77 Mar 2018 #1
yep same TalenaGor Mar 2018 #19
Same here ooky Mar 2018 #20
Me too. lunatica Mar 2018 #31
Me too. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #87
So did I! denvine Mar 2018 #103
Same here. I even voted for Hillary when she was my senator in NY IronLionZion Mar 2018 #112
GOP-Russian trolls want to keep the bernie-hillary wound from healing applegrove Mar 2018 #2
and they seem to be doing a good job of it. elleng Mar 2018 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2018 #13
Right. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #16
Isnt this thread about supporting Hillary ALSO? R B Garr Mar 2018 #76
Who cares what "some folks" at another webs site say or do? Merlot Mar 2018 #79
Well, if you claim to be for supporting BOTH Bernie AND Hillary, but you R B Garr Mar 2018 #83
You are the perfect example of why an OP like still needs to be posted LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #113
You should take your own advice. R B Garr Mar 2018 #115
I think you understood my message very well. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #89
Yes, you have confirmed again that you did not support R B Garr Mar 2018 #92
Yep. There have been unnecessarily cruel comments and that doesn't seem like us. The Wielding Truth Mar 2018 #57
Well I am reluctant to blame everything Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #88
I voted for both too left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #3
I've found that the pure zentrum Mar 2018 #108
Those who attack Bernie attack one of the "Democratic leadership" left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #111
That's a really important point. zentrum Mar 2018 #119
YES! elleng Mar 2018 #4
when I see Bernie-bashing threads ProfessorPlum Mar 2018 #6
I trash the threads when I see them mvd Mar 2018 #29
Sometimes I wonder how many apparently different posters stranger81 Mar 2018 #58
LOL ProfessorPlum Mar 2018 #61
Bingo KTM Mar 2018 #80
I never thought about it like that... disillusioned73 Mar 2018 #69
Sorry. I don't. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #7
Do you have any evidence that Sanders requested or invited Russian interference Sophia4 Mar 2018 #17
. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #24
No evidence that Bernie requested or asked for Russian assistance then. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #25
He still benefited from it. And did nothing to stop it even after he knew. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #26
What could Bernie have done? He did not have much of a link to the government. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #40
Great question. ooky Mar 2018 #46
Did not have much link to the government? After decades in Congress? Then what the Squinch Mar 2018 #102
He did not have the links to the intelligence agencies or the White House that Sophia4 Mar 2018 #107
Oh, FFS. This is just ridiculous. He was not an outsider. He's the definition of government Squinch Mar 2018 #110
I don't care Sugarcoated Mar 2018 #53
Of course not. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #54
No one said he requested or invited it, but he certainly didn't discourage it.... George II Mar 2018 #73
You do realize that his top campaign adviser, Tad Devine, collaborated with Paul Manafort.... George II Mar 2018 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Mar 2018 #72
Surely you jest. pangaia Mar 2018 #21
you have guts Skittles Mar 2018 #32
Sanders lost the primary lunatica Mar 2018 #35
The fact that he didn't win doesn't mean that he didn't get more votes than he would have... George II Mar 2018 #74
So you think no one should have ever run for the primaries except Hillary? lunatica Mar 2018 #90
Who said anything even remotely close to that? Certainly not me. George II Mar 2018 #91
Yeah sure lunatica Mar 2018 #93
You should read Robert Mueller's indictments from a few weeks ago. You saying... George II Mar 2018 #94
Do you not understand English? lunatica Mar 2018 #99
Oh I read English quite well, and in his indictments Mueller laid out some of the details... George II Mar 2018 #105
BRILLIANT proof of the OP's point! Very well done! (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2018 #71
OP would have us ignore what happened. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #84
Thats twice as many as the Russians. nt LexVegas Mar 2018 #8
I must be a Russian troll Eko Mar 2018 #9
Calling obviously strong and long-term Democratic Party supporters on DU betsuni Mar 2018 #51
"Calling obviously strong and long-term Democratic Party supporters on DU" sheshe2 Mar 2018 #117
Sorry, no. I voted for the democrat dhol82 Mar 2018 #10
Agreed. efhmc Mar 2018 #15
THANK YOU Skittles Mar 2018 #49
So if hrc lost u would have voted for trump? dembotoz Mar 2018 #64
If Bernie secures the 2020 Democratic Party nomination. Blue_true Mar 2018 #11
Plenty in the party superior to tRump? More like every single Democrat in existence! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #55
Exactly. We have newborn democratic babies that outthink that jackass. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #85
hahahaha... true dat Btrue! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #97
True... Mike Nelson Mar 2018 #12
I suspect many see ourselves as sincere & passionate A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2018 #14
Thanks for your post. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #18
Thank you, Sophia. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2018 #23
I'm with Sophia too. thewhollytoast Mar 2018 #36
Exactly. ooky Mar 2018 #28
I agree. I supported Bernie in the primaries and was glad to vote for Hillary The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #39
Yes! I Agree Leith Mar 2018 #22
This purity crap needs to stop! djacq Mar 2018 #27
Agreed. Its really getting old lunatica Mar 2018 #38
or maybe we are just hoping the SAME MISTAKE won't be made Skittles Mar 2018 #50
I'm fairly new here - which SAME MISTAKE? erronis Mar 2018 #114
I support the Democratic Party aeromanKC Mar 2018 #30
One of them went dirty during the primaries nini Mar 2018 #33
Agreed 100%. This divide is bullshit and stinks of RU agitprop Arazi Mar 2018 #34
The Russian/Republican trolls are still quite active on DU. FuzzyRabbit Mar 2018 #43
Yes They Are Me. Mar 2018 #48
Excellent. cilla4progress Mar 2018 #37
I voted for both and that was then, this is now Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #41
Party enid602 Mar 2018 #42
I was a staunch supporter of Sanders in the primary, still adore him. liberalnarb Mar 2018 #45
I did the same and believe the same as you. dae Mar 2018 #47
That is me too! Greybnk48 Mar 2018 #67
Yep, I hate all the demonization that goes on here lately. liberalnarb Mar 2018 #70
Dems here need to STOP attacking Sanders Sugarcoated Mar 2018 #52
When was the last time you say anyone attack Clinton here? Kentonio Mar 2018 #62
Why would anyone attack her, she's not a politician anymore. all american girl Mar 2018 #66
There were a few recent threads about her speaking at Rutgers mcar Mar 2018 #82
I don't recall seeing a single post that said her gender was relevant. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #86
I never bothered to pay much attention to Bernie Sanders Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #56
Can't have it both ways. The result is where we are. democratisphere Mar 2018 #59
Really? ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #68
Yes, EXACTLY and Raine Mar 2018 #60
K&R. DLevine Mar 2018 #63
if you pick Locrian Mar 2018 #65
I don't support Bernie now in that treestar Mar 2018 #75
Is it Bernie or his message of economic populism that upsets some so much? jalan48 Mar 2018 #77
I also voted for both. I disagree with you on only one point. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #78
I do, too! For your reasons. nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #81
Unless one of them is again running for office Progressive dog Mar 2018 #95
Thank you. n/t MBS Mar 2018 #96
I agree in principle but there are serious policy difference between them that have consequences yurbud Mar 2018 #98
You're rehashing the 2016 election. It's over! They are not running. Move on!!!! Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #100
Oy. Time to keyword trash "Bernie" again. Life was good when I was blocking the name, Squinch Mar 2018 #101
I agree with you ..... BigOleDummy Mar 2018 #104
We should all focus on the future..... BlueJac Mar 2018 #106
Thank You! HootieMcBoob Mar 2018 #109
Bernie in the primary Lunabell Mar 2018 #116
Me too! bluestateboomer Mar 2018 #118
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