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213. Guess I had a good upbringing

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:37 PM

Jan 2012

God, how sad. I suspect those who feel stuck in that kind of attitude towards it are trying to justify it somehow.

Pleasurable acts can be far, far less intimate than sex is. If you have to go that far for "pleasure" there is something wrong. Could have a conversation. Or go skiing. The way you're describing it, it has no greater meaning.

I pity anyone whose upbringing made it mean so little - no more than a night out on the town, or a concert, or a dinner.

I suspect most such people really do wish it had more meaning. How do they feel about romance? How can they tell the difference? What about where the other person thinks differently?

I really don't think it is prudish or puritanical to want sex to have some greater meaning, and to feel crappy when someone else seems to want to use you for nothing else (which is why I would never approach any man to use him for just that, and suspect that men wouldn't really like that, regardless of their protests).

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and i appreciate it. thank you. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #35

or i fulfilled a contract so as per the contract there is pay due. working guy Jan 2012 #74

I bet all of them are Eastern European sex slaves. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #34

seems to be the "in" thing of late in europe. sad some of the men on the thread have so little use seabeyond Jan 2012 #37

!!!!!!!!!!!! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #38

different culture working guy Jan 2012 #42

not true. further, since the legalization, they cannot keep up with demand hence the sex slaves seabeyond Jan 2012 #43

and you dont know enough about this place to know working guy Jan 2012 #44

whoopie.... seabeyond Jan 2012 #48

no it seems you dont understand that there are people who enjoy sex and getting paid working guy Jan 2012 #53

ah... you are one of those that ALL women are whores, one way or another seabeyond Jan 2012 #55

now calling all women whores is a bit beyond, but a lot of workers in the trade are proud to call working guy Jan 2012 #59

what a fuckin creepy post. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #61

Phil Mitsch, is that you?! demmiblue Jan 2012 #69

who, no idea who he is, not sure if you realise that a lot of people in the biz are proud to call working guy Jan 2012 #70

misogynist spew, welcome to du3. it is disgusting. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #73

Here's the quote you are referring to: blue neen Jan 2012 #137

WTF? How is saying there are some people who like sex and money Muskypundit Jan 2012 #75

you go on a date, the man pays.... whore. you have sex for money.... whore. what dont you get?nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #76

you go on date, you get dinner then have sex, or you have sex and get a lot more than dinner working guy Jan 2012 #77

link where i said a sex worker needs to answer for herself? i am on her side. dinner and sex = whore seabeyond Jan 2012 #80

lol no sex and dinner their choice, now someone getting paid for the service may enjioy it working guy Jan 2012 #81

yes, a man that pays for it has to believe, she just really wants him. part of the game. we are seabeyond Jan 2012 #84

cant see where i said all women are whores, just that some are proud to call themselves working guy Jan 2012 #88

you said a woman having dinner with a man then sex is the same as the woman that gets paid for sex. seabeyond Jan 2012 #93

the fact that you getdown Jan 2012 #82

the fact that they use stamps tells me the girls were contractors getting paid by client working guy Jan 2012 #85

"pretty confident" getdown Jan 2012 #95

yes confident having attended organised paries such as this working guy Jan 2012 #98

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no getdown Jan 2012 #109

no? what you dont think it should be legal working guy Jan 2012 #112

wow, you dont know shit though you claim you do. those countries legalized seabeyond Jan 2012 #111

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and the countries that have legalized have found it impossible to enforce. seabeyond Jan 2012 #125

so you think everyone in the business is a criminal working guy Jan 2012 #129

and i said that? really? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #131

well do you think it should be totally legal or not working guy Jan 2012 #140

128 seabeyond Jan 2012 #142

Actually... LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #149

Actually, this incident took place in Hungary. blue neen Jan 2012 #156

You do realize that the same statement is applied to LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #168

I sure do realize it. blue neen Jan 2012 #172

70% Rise in German Sex Trafficking Due to Legal Prostitution? seabeyond Jan 2012 #165

Yes. Re-read what I wrote about prosecution LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #173

false and misleading information reorg Jan 2012 #194

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darn tooting, go help the real sex slaves rather than people who like their work. working guy Jan 2012 #79

And a lot of strippers are working their way through college, right? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #151

probuably some are, same as some people enjoy sex for pay. working guy Jan 2012 #159

What do you estimate the percentage at? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #161

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I've done it and you're wrong LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #185

Humiliating TO YOU Eliminator Jan 2012 #189

If not 100% then the vast, vast, vast majority Remember Me Jan 2012 #191

Wow LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #201

+1 - How dare someone accuse you of not knowing your own mind (nt) reACTIONary Jan 2012 #220

+1 treestar Jan 2012 #205

Abhorrent things are the norm for some people, but that doesn't make them any less abhorrent. yardwork Jan 2012 #187

Sickening!!! Beacool Jan 2012 #184

too many men on this thread are all in a titter over the thought of this, so really seabeyond Jan 2012 #186

OMG. blue neen Dec 2011 #3

How do you know? vaberella Jan 2012 #19

If you read the post again it says: blue neen Jan 2012 #21

having been to these partys, usually there are women working guy Jan 2012 #39

Here is the picture of the "award winners": blue neen Jan 2012 #126

and the women are being paid working guy Jan 2012 #132

and for all you know, not happy. but if your wants are met, who the fuck cares seabeyond Jan 2012 #136

and if the body is willing then you have no problem with it working guy Jan 2012 #143

Most strippers are very well adjusted people with wonderful childhoods, right? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #152

so what are you saying that all strippers are damaged goods wow thats harsh working guy Jan 2012 #160

Is that really how you interpreted that? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #163

If there were more women employed at Munich Re and having the opportunity to earn bonuses, blue neen Jan 2012 #144

and some people can make a lot of money selling services working guy Jan 2012 #153

Not everyone loves doing it, and not everyone wants to work 9 to 9. blue neen Jan 2012 #171

the money doesn't go very far when you're buying drugs Remember Me Jan 2012 #177

parties treestar Jan 2012 #206

I'm in the wrong line of work. flvegan Dec 2011 #4

Really? You would want to be stamped on your lower arm blue neen Jan 2012 #9

Sigh. flvegan Jan 2012 #15

"Sigh" back at ya. blue neen Jan 2012 #20

i thought your ha ha was much more funny, creative, witty seabeyond Jan 2012 #25

You want to be a sex slave??? Odin2005 Jan 2012 #36

i guess some of them may be sub, but unless you can show ghey were unwilling or not paid then i working guy Jan 2012 #40

Sex slave? flvegan Jan 2012 #49

i got the humour even if others didnt working guy Jan 2012 #54

but then, you are into paying for women. of course you "got" the humor. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #57

nope never had to pay, but if that was the contract then i would. working guy Jan 2012 #60

you admitted to it up and down the thread, dude. or boosted, bragged about it seabeyond Jan 2012 #62

yeah the sex was bought and i get paid a lot for it or do not realise there is more than vanilla working guy Jan 2012 #66

You're a real piece of work. n/t laconicsax Jan 2012 #83

actually i am, but thanks working guy Jan 2012 #89

the point is, it's NOT humorous -- not in the least Remember Me Jan 2012 #178

I got screwed at most companies I worked at, too, . . . Journeyman Dec 2011 #5

Are they Hiring FreakinDJ Dec 2011 #6

Shades of Borgia . . . ananda Dec 2011 #7

i was thinking berlusconi. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #13

Borgia probably did it with a greater pretense of having class. nt Selatius Jan 2012 #17

this is true, Silvio dispensed with the pretense straight away. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #23

or Joy Division kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #28

I got to say the Germans like their workers ... Historic NY Dec 2011 #8

I'm sorry. blue neen Jan 2012 #10

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...color coded, banded and stamped kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #29

People like this really give orgies a bad name. nt Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #11

100 rich assholes, that is. provis99 Jan 2012 #12

you are whining because the little guy doesnt get a cum receptor, or body, to use, too? seabeyond Jan 2012 #14

+1 Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #18

common form dictates that the mark as you call it is so they are paid working guy Jan 2012 #45

again, yea. really, just clip a tag on her ear. you dont even get the seabeyond Jan 2012 #51

nope you are clueless about how it works working guy Jan 2012 #63

If anyone here is clueless, it's you Remember Me Jan 2012 #179

. seabeyond Jan 2012 #180

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I feel sorry for anyone to whom sex is just a "service." treestar Jan 2012 #207

the office janitor couldnt afford the cost to partake. working guy Jan 2012 #41

This story makes me wonder. MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #16

this makes me want to throw up. nt warrior1 Jan 2012 #22

This is so disgusting as to conjure up what coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #24

The Nazis would tattoo "Feld Hure" on the chests of their "Field Prostitutes" waddirum Jan 2012 #26

Field Whore, actually, but close enough. eom Fawke Em Jan 2012 #91

I guess all the 100 "best" employees were men? Matariki Jan 2012 #30

or, they made sure the list had only men, regardless if a woman was 23 seabeyond Jan 2012 #31

Disgusting! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #33

Women as Receptacles> Survivoreesta Jan 2012 #46

women as receptacles is pretty offensive working guy Jan 2012 #47

what is offensive is being treated as just that. what? 20 bj's a night, just cause seabeyond Jan 2012 #49

no you are one who sees sex as abnormal and degrading working guy Jan 2012 #56

men who buy women like to pretend these women really really want them and the women pretend seabeyond Jan 2012 #58

so what if its pretence, two willing participants fulfilling each others needs, one monetary one not working guy Jan 2012 #65

There are a lot of adjectives for someone who "needs" to buy a person. laconicsax Jan 2012 #86

your not buying the person thats slavery, you are buying a service. working guy Jan 2012 #92

The service is use of their body. Nice attempt at rationalization though. laconicsax Jan 2012 #96

and, isnt all labor the use of someones body, or is sex somehow different working guy Jan 2012 #101

there you go, here is the next argument. sex work is no different than any job. keep lying to seabeyond Jan 2012 #106

and if its willingly why do you care, lots of worse jobs out there working guy Jan 2012 #110

Paying for posession of someone's body IS different.n/t laconicsax Jan 2012 #147

mayby to you but to many it is not, me included. working guy Jan 2012 #154

Well bully for you! laconicsax Jan 2012 #167

Great -- when do you start your new career as male prostitute? Remember Me Jan 2012 #181

It's not possession LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #162

decriminalize being a prostitute. i am all for it. a woman should never seabeyond Jan 2012 #169

No, just paid sex treestar Jan 2012 #208

So did they have different levels of insurance coverage associated with each color? undeterred Jan 2012 #52

First time I was glad they had an undo for the recommendation LynneSin Jan 2012 #64

I know, sex slaves are not an orgy. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #67

rofl not sure the pun was intended but bravo. working guy Jan 2012 #68

Sweetie, that's a job I could handle. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #71

lol you better hope the company picks up the whole tab for you working guy Jan 2012 #72

Caligula, is that you? sarcasmo Jan 2012 #78

Disgusting... Fawke Em Jan 2012 #87

What's more, it's defended here at DU. laconicsax Jan 2012 #90

whats defended is the right of people to sell sex if they want working guy Jan 2012 #94

OMFG! laconicsax Jan 2012 #99

when a man believes a woman is a whore one way or another (dinner or paid), then it is not hard seabeyond Jan 2012 #102

you see a man using a women, not a person selling a service and getting paid working guy Jan 2012 #105

so women to you are always things to be used by man. gotcha. one way or another seabeyond Jan 2012 #107

not in this context, you are selling a service whats so hard for you to understand working guy Jan 2012 #115

selling your body to be used as the person who pays sees fit. seabeyond Jan 2012 #128

Women treat sex differently than men. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #116

i am so tired of this shit. the prostitutes dont have an emotional connection. just sex. the same seabeyond Jan 2012 #130

Welcome to my country, the United States of I don't give shit. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #141

We need more LGBT folks in sex discussions like this to remove the gender specific issues from stevenleser Jan 2012 #190

And yet you have a problem with prostitutes Eliminator Jan 2012 #193

yes im defending someone selling a service working guy Jan 2012 #103

Of course it's different Remember Me Jan 2012 #182

What if they just decide not to pay? treestar Jan 2012 #209

Prostitution is legal in Germany, right? hughee99 Jan 2012 #97

It happens in the USA too, and not just poor crack addicts do it. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #104

actually mean fewer people forced against their will into it. seabeyond Jan 2012 #117

and if the women are happy and get paid well then you should have no problem with it working guy Jan 2012 #121

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #122

first site googled. reality. or, be uninformed and continue to state a nontruth so you feel better seabeyond Jan 2012 #133

I would suggest to you that confirmation bias should be a subject of your next google search. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #146

Ummm LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #202

bravo, lot of pearl clutching as though no one wants to provide services working guy Jan 2012 #118

bravo, hyperbole and strawman to ignore facts seabeyond Jan 2012 #134

Yes, I think that's the point of prostitution. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #148

none of your business what i do with my body, same as any women who wants working guy Jan 2012 #150

And what about all these people who get massages? originalpckelly Jan 2012 #155

I'm dismayed at the social conservatism in this thread Eliminator Jan 2012 #113

I know, these people claim to be liberated... originalpckelly Jan 2012 #119

The only thing I could think of is the aspect hughee99 Jan 2012 #120

wonder ehat the shareholders think working guy Jan 2012 #123

they FIRED the people. and the issue is corp buying. a handful are shifting it seabeyond Jan 2012 #138

That I can agree with. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #124

NOBODY is talking about women making the choice. it is the men that continually bring it to that. seabeyond Jan 2012 #139

Yeah: originalpckelly Jan 2012 #145

Yes, people most certainly are taking issue with women making the choice LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #157

Sea, how do you address OriginalPCKelly's points coming from a gay man's perspective? stevenleser Jan 2012 #195

what point? that men just want sex, period. maybe if they are old and in a relationship a very long seabeyond Jan 2012 #196

I think part of his point is, why isn't anyone freaking out over gay prostitutes? stevenleser Jan 2012 #197

this particular op was about women prostitutes seabeyond Jan 2012 #198

The way you and others who are up in arms about it phrase things, it IS about gender. stevenleser Jan 2012 #199

the problem thru out the thread, is many of the people arguing where not reading, let alone seabeyond Jan 2012 #200

These are my issues: LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #224

Oh, I don't know...I had a friend who died... PassingFair Jan 2012 #217

Like any other kind of work? treestar Jan 2012 #210

Yes, work Eliminator Jan 2012 #212

Guess I had a good upbringing treestar Jan 2012 #213

It is what it is Eliminator Jan 2012 #214

The problem with that is, that you have to convince yourself the other person feels the same way treestar Jan 2012 #216

you are right treestar. seabeyond Jan 2012 #215

Oh now what the f@$%#! LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #135

Do you not think that Human sex Texasgal Jan 2012 #158

If you have no idea, why assume it? Eliminator Jan 2012 #174

The response was: Texasgal Jan 2012 #175

Puritanical, conservative socially, etc. treestar Jan 2012 #211

Can people not enjoy sex without love or a relationship? LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #219

That's black and white thinking treestar Jan 2012 #221

I think you misunderstand me LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #223

Yes, it is a big issue LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #188

working guy working underground... A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2012 #164

I knew something was weird Texasgal Jan 2012 #166

yea. i am going to go read a book. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #170

What a job! Gman Jan 2012 #183

jerking guy DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #203

As someone who strongly supports legal prostitution I still think this was innapropriate ButterflyBlood Jan 2012 #218

You just gotta hand it to the Europeans... MrScorpio Jan 2012 #222