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Straw Man

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58. Reasonable intelligence.

Sun Mar 25, 2018, 01:23 AM

Mar 2018

Just as the gun manufacturers (and some dealers) are aware that SOME- maybe even a small percentage- of the guns they sell will be used to completely destroy American families.

And some alcohol manufacturers are aware the SOME consumers of their product will drive drunk and kill people, as will the manufacturers of the cars they use to do it, etc. Should they be held legally liable?

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In the USA, gun manufacturers and dealers must be held financially responsible [View all] coti Mar 2018 OP

require liability insurance for ever gu. does not infringe on the 2A. anybody can still get a gun msongs Mar 2018 #1

Liability insurance never covers illegal acts. EX500rider Mar 2018 #5

It still seems crazy that I pay extra on my insurance because of a dog but a gun hanging around... Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #71

Because this: EX500rider Mar 2018 #78

NRA would love that fescuerescue Mar 2018 #65

absolutely, like tabaco industry, manufacturers are liable AlexSFCA Mar 2018 #2

Good idea which is why the NRA Progressive dog Mar 2018 #3

"the kind of liability suits that have targeted many other consumer product manufacturers" EX500rider Mar 2018 #6

When a law is written to create an exemption Progressive dog Mar 2018 #7

yes there was a reason EX500rider Mar 2018 #8

So the killing continues, the gun companies and Progressive dog Mar 2018 #10

The 2nd does have limits. EX500rider Mar 2018 #13

Which is exactly what the OP asks for Progressive dog Mar 2018 #17

No, the OP is asking for the power to sue companies for things out of their power to prevent. EX500rider Mar 2018 #20

It is NOT out of their power to not create powerful killing machines. coti Mar 2018 #23

The bottom line is as long as it is legal and there is a demand.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #24

Other companies can be sued for the same things Progressive dog Mar 2018 #31

Ford adds government mandated safety features. EX500rider Mar 2018 #32

What bullshit, gun companies Progressive dog Mar 2018 #35

Not out of their power to prevent. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #51

If firearms are legal to purchase and they are.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #54

Sorry. I'm done with people making excuses for child sacrifice. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #55

Yes, that's what I am for "child sacrifice"...lol...good one EX500rider Mar 2018 #56

Yup. Had enough of it. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #60

Isn't shooting people the intended use of an AR-15? coti Mar 2018 #9

No, most people you will find buy them for target shooting or investment.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #11

I would imagine 99% of US Marines, similarly, have not used their M-16 to kill anyone. coti Mar 2018 #16

The Marines are issued M-16's (actually M-4's) in case they have to kill someone. EX500rider Mar 2018 #22

Self-defense, i.e., killing someone. That's the purpose. coti Mar 2018 #25

Actually hunting firearms are more powerful. EX500rider Mar 2018 #27

I'm not advocating for anything backdoor, I think they should be held explicitly responsible through coti Mar 2018 #33

Gun manufactures are liable for dangerous defects in production like any other company. EX500rider Mar 2018 #34

As a reasonably intelligent person, you must be aware that this is not an honest argument. coti Mar 2018 #39

Reasonable intelligence. Straw Man Mar 2018 #58

Dram shop. coti Mar 2018 #61

How is that applicable to gun manufacturers? hardluck Mar 2018 #62

Dram shop law applies to the server of alcohol, not the manufacturer. Straw Man Mar 2018 #63

The point is that the "I didn't do it myself, I only enabled it" argument doesn't always matter, and coti Mar 2018 #67

Dram shop law is not about product liability. Straw Man Mar 2018 #68

They could make guns safer mythology Mar 2018 #14

Car makers install safety devices due to govt mandates. EX500rider Mar 2018 #15

Safer? Straw Man Mar 2018 #59

Im fine with the PLCAA because it protects aikoaiko Mar 2018 #4

Really, it just protects the manufacturers of products that are genuinely made for the purpose coti Mar 2018 #12

Actually, it is highly unlikely that any given firearm will be used to kill people. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #18

They're putting these products into the civilian population and need to be held responsible for that coti Mar 2018 #21

Gun manufactures sell guns to gun dealers. EX500rider Mar 2018 #19

The right to human sacrifice. Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #52

Not really a right. But carry on. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #53

The problem with PLCAA is that it allows gun marketeers to market their guns to sick people in the Hoyt Mar 2018 #26

Whats your issue with the last ad, the Barrett ad? EX500rider Mar 2018 #30

I was trying to get the "Hell or Highwater" ad that was aimed at you guys who worship these rifles, Hoyt Mar 2018 #41

Since Barrett .50cals are rarely if ever used in homicides it doesn't bother me. EX500rider Mar 2018 #43

A year or so, the common refrain from the Gungeon was so-called "assault rifles" were seldom used Hoyt Mar 2018 #44

Actually rifles are very seldom used in homicides...no BS there. EX500rider Mar 2018 #46

Tell to those kids who have the guts to walk among millions without a gun tucked in their pants. Hoyt Mar 2018 #47

Tell them simple facts? sure... EX500rider Mar 2018 #48

The Idea that Gun Manufactures Should Ever be Immune from Liability Litigation is Beyond Corrupt! dlk Mar 2018 #28

Gun manufacturers are not immune to liability litigation, AzureCrest Mar 2018 #38

But they should be because they contribute to the problem and have spent millions associating guns Hoyt Mar 2018 #42

Yes yes yes yes yes. Worked for tobacco. For asbestos. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #29

Gun owners must be required to purchase quartz007 Mar 2018 #36

Insurance does not cover illegal acts. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #64

Point is, gun purchases will be registered quartz007 Mar 2018 #66

Adam Lanza's weapon was registered. hack89 Mar 2018 #69

He probably did his shooting in a quartz007 Mar 2018 #70

But how does registration stop gun violence? hack89 Mar 2018 #72

Correct, EXISTING guns in criminal hands quartz007 Mar 2018 #73

Actually the supreme court has ruled that felons cannot be forced to register hack89 Mar 2018 #74

2nd Amendment in existence quartz007 Mar 2018 #75

Why not skip registration and simply hammer people for gun crimes? hack89 Mar 2018 #76

Simple quartz007 Mar 2018 #77

So will you be using the war on drugs as your model? hack89 Mar 2018 #79

Simple again... quartz007 Mar 2018 #80

"Protect the borders with...a tall fence." Now where have we heard that before? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2018 #83

Israel built one quartz007 Mar 2018 #84

The NRA supports gun ownership for all because it benefits gun manufacturers. LiberalFighter Mar 2018 #37

I've read some disputes/debates on gun studies Jarqui Mar 2018 #40

Parents should be criminally charged HockeyMom Mar 2018 #45

Largely agreed, California does have some laws along these lines, protecting kids coti Mar 2018 #49

Congress more interested in regulating sex, not guns. OneBro Mar 2018 #50

What, exactly, would you like to see changed Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #81

So you would sue Ford... tonedevil Mar 2018 #82