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Hoyt

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71. One doesn't need extensive knowledge to know what the damn slugs do. Ask an ER doc or nurse.

Mon Mar 26, 2018, 05:54 AM

Mar 2018

That knowledge is just not necessary in a non-war zone. And, America is a non-war zone, no matter how hard gunners try to say it is.

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I am a Democratic gun owner, hunter, and Army veteran, and I support reasonable gun control. [View all] LBM20 Mar 2018 OP

Sounds reasonable to me. yardwork Mar 2018 #1

Thanks. LBM20 Mar 2018 #6

People who want to carry assault rifles should sign up for the military, and GreenPartyVoter Mar 2018 #2

Yup. The power of the NRA needs to be knocked down, and enough of the GI Joe fantasies. LBM20 Mar 2018 #4

A ban and buy back program, presumably mandatory, is precisely the government taking guns away... Marengo Mar 2018 #11

exactly, the GOP thrives on the politics of fear onetexan Mar 2018 #76

Paradoxically, some of these are exactly the people no military would want. Orsino Mar 2018 #87

I support EFFECTIVE gun control. MineralMan Mar 2018 #3

So do I, and I think what I outlined is both effective and reasonable. LBM20 Mar 2018 #5

What is your definition of effective? Marengo Mar 2018 #12

OH, for fuck's sake. Still at this bullshit? Squinch Mar 2018 #19

Asking someone to explain their definition of effective is bullshit? Thats an odd position to take, Marengo Mar 2018 #44

I can't support gun bans. And if you mean forced buy-backs (aka confiscation) I can't support them. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #7

We have already had the assault weapons ban under Democrat Bill Clinton. Begin at least with a LBM20 Mar 2018 #9

I remember the 1994 AWB well. IT was a disaster politically (as Bill Clinton discussed in his book) aikoaiko Mar 2018 #15

I remember gun shows after the AWB Hangingon Mar 2018 #18

The '94 AWB turned the AR-15 into the most popular rifle in America. EL34x4 Mar 2018 #26

Reasonable limits. Straw Man Mar 2018 #35

When you buy a weapon you should own it for life and it is registered to you and you alone. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #8

It would be government buy back program, and the guns would be dismantled. LBM20 Mar 2018 #13

Yes exemptions and perhaps there could be a transfer of ownership in certain circumstances. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #16

The cost of a background check should be packaged in with the cost of the gun RockCreek Mar 2018 #77

What is your definition of armor piercing ammunition? Marengo Mar 2018 #10

Rounds with a hardened coating designed to penetrated thicker metals and body armor. LBM20 Mar 2018 #14

Coating? I thought the penetrator core was the principle armor-defeating element in small arms... Marengo Mar 2018 #17

Let it go. Hangingon Mar 2018 #21

Right, I forgot...legislating from a position of ignorance and emotion is perfectly acceptable for.. Marengo Mar 2018 #42

Come on Marengo, You and I know exactly what was meant by armor pierceing ammo..... Old Vet Mar 2018 #23

The 30-30 round from his supposedly harmless deer rifle can defeat many types of body armor... Marengo Mar 2018 #33

Fine. Weaken the round and strengthen the body armor. I think we've heard enough. LBM20 Mar 2018 #39

Weaken to what point? So that its no longer effective as a hunting round? Marengo Mar 2018 #43

re: Weaken to what point? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #85

This is why gun legislation has had so many loopholes in the past madville Mar 2018 #24

Fine, just say "semi-automatic" or firearms with detachable magazines . . . . . . Hoyt Mar 2018 #29

I have one of these in my collection, It was built in 1917. Would you make this rifle illegal? oneshooter Mar 2018 #48

OneShooter, sorry, but I dont care about your collection nor the fact the Hoyt Mar 2018 #49

Why don't you answer the question, instead of crying. oneshooter Mar 2018 #67

The answer was obvious. Hoyt Mar 2018 #72

So come out and say it. Or are you afraid of the truth coming out? oneshooter Mar 2018 #81

"It's not a clip, it's a magazine." That's space i-3 on the bingo board. Squinch Mar 2018 #32

Please. Enough of the hair splitting. The issue is too important. Not interested in games. LBM20 Mar 2018 #38

Hair splitting? I find it odd that an Army veteran would describe the construction of AP ammo in.. Marengo Mar 2018 #46

Maybe not everyone was that interested in the lethal aspects of everything. Hoyt Mar 2018 #50

LOL! Thats one of your lamest yet. Someone who claims to be former mil with oh-so-much... Marengo Mar 2018 #56

Id concentrate on which was best for what use, etc., not composition. Some people just Hoyt Mar 2018 #57

In the profession of arms so to speak, its not a matter of finding it fascinating, its a matter... Marengo Mar 2018 #69

One doesn't need extensive knowledge to know what the damn slugs do. Ask an ER doc or nurse. Hoyt Mar 2018 #71

As I said upthread, the round from his 30-30 deer rifle can penetrate certain levels of body armor.. Marengo Mar 2018 #73

Don't care. If your favorite round gets outlawed or has to be modified, tough. EOM Hoyt Mar 2018 #74

Modified for what purpose? Marengo Mar 2018 #75

What is your definition of "NRA troll script?" Squinch Mar 2018 #20

LOL Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #30

Is that all you have? Marengo Mar 2018 #34

Why struggle? Some things are so obvious they don't need a lot of effort. Is that all YOU have? Squinch Mar 2018 #37

How about a link or a cite to where Ive claimed to be an NRA member. Marengo Mar 2018 #45

LOL! So transparent! Always directly from the script! Squinch Mar 2018 #47

So, nothing to back up your NRA accusation? Marengo Mar 2018 #52

Every post you post. You aren't very good at it. Squinch Mar 2018 #53

Ill ask you again to back that up with a link or cite to where Ive claimed to be an NRA member. Marengo Mar 2018 #55

Will you hold your breath till I do? Or till I "retract?" Though I guess not. That isn't part of Squinch Mar 2018 #83

No, Ill just consider your integrity as limited as your knowledge of the subject. Marengo Mar 2018 #84

Oh, how horrifying! The NRA script thinks I lack integrity! Squinch Mar 2018 #88

Yes, your integrity is as limited as your knowledge on this subject. As you cant debate from... Marengo Mar 2018 #89

Oh, no. The script called me uninformed! Squinch Mar 2018 #90

Its obvious that you clearly are uninformed. Why else would you persist in repeating a clealy... Marengo Mar 2018 #91

But it isn't a script. That everyone has seen a million times before. And everyone knows Squinch Mar 2018 #92

You are robotically repeating a substanceless accusation as a smoke screen. You obviously cant... Marengo Mar 2018 #94

Do you understand the meaning of irony? Do you understand the meaning of projection? Squinch Mar 2018 #95

Ill ask you again to provide some kind of cite to... Marengo Mar 2018 #96

Oh, Merengue, this has been fun, but unlike all those NRA trolls, I don't get paid to post. Squinch Mar 2018 #98

In other words, you have nothing. No evidence whatsoever to validate your accusation, and no... Marengo Mar 2018 #99

Yup JI7 Mar 2018 #41

Well thought out post. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #22

Why not a handgun ban? sl8 Mar 2018 #25

What about pointed sticks? Iggo Mar 2018 #28

Pointed sticks don't kill 10s of thousands of people a year. Humanist_Activist Mar 2018 #31

Remember Rawanda? ginny skinny Mar 2018 #59

That was literally state sanctioned genocide where thousands participated in it. Humanist_Activist Mar 2018 #70

Cutting instruments kill more people in the USA... Marengo Mar 2018 #97

The courts have ruled people can have guns. Let's get the assault rifles and do other things. You LBM20 Mar 2018 #36

OK, thanks . n/t sl8 Mar 2018 #40

+1. I see no reason to offer a buyback program. Why reward bad behavior and bad investments. Hoyt Mar 2018 #27

I'm a proud Democrat and a 2nd Amendment supporter. ginny skinny Mar 2018 #51

One thing that's really been bothering me... ginny skinny Mar 2018 #54

Seems to do just fine in massacres and gunners sure get excited about these rifles and ammo. Hoyt Mar 2018 #58

Huh? ginny skinny Mar 2018 #60

AR15s, and their so-called underpowered ammo. Does that help? Hoyt Mar 2018 #61

My point is that as rifle ammo goes, .223 is not anywhere near the top tier. ginny skinny Mar 2018 #62

I get your point, heard it from hundreds of gunners. Fact is, that ammo does a good enough Hoyt Mar 2018 #64

I was wrong once... ginny skinny Mar 2018 #65

"Since you are new, I assume youve stumbled upon the Gungeon. If not, check it out." ginny skinny Mar 2018 #63

Mark Warner has Come Out in Support of More Gun Control which is a change from previous Position JI7 Mar 2018 #66

Thank you for such a well reasoned post. pnwmom Mar 2018 #68

totally agree with you 100% beachbum bob Mar 2018 #78

The point is Children are being murdered Tribalceltic Mar 2018 #79

Our police ARE jack booted thugs though Calculating Mar 2018 #80

My husband and I are gun owners peggysue2 Mar 2018 #82

Some good ideas hack89 Mar 2018 #86

Armor piercing ammo is less lethal than hollow point or frangible rounds Calista241 Mar 2018 #93

I get your point about a neat vs. messy hole but, sammythecat Mar 2018 #102

How many people that are wearing bullet proof vests Calista241 Mar 2018 #103

Responsible gun owners should support sensible gun laws IronLionZion Mar 2018 #100

im a gun owner as well and i want all gun owners to be as responsible as.... samnsara Mar 2018 #101