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87. Paradoxically, some of these are exactly the people no military would want.

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:57 AM

Mar 2018

They might enlist, but they will be severely disappointed that American troops aren't allowed to tote rifles around everywhere beyond training exercises and combat zones, in which places gun-toters aren't special snowflakes.

Those looking to impress people with the size of their weapons should look elsewhere for employment.

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I am a Democratic gun owner, hunter, and Army veteran, and I support reasonable gun control. [View all] LBM20 Mar 2018 OP

Sounds reasonable to me. yardwork Mar 2018 #1

Thanks. LBM20 Mar 2018 #6

People who want to carry assault rifles should sign up for the military, and GreenPartyVoter Mar 2018 #2

Yup. The power of the NRA needs to be knocked down, and enough of the GI Joe fantasies. LBM20 Mar 2018 #4

A ban and buy back program, presumably mandatory, is precisely the government taking guns away... Marengo Mar 2018 #11

exactly, the GOP thrives on the politics of fear onetexan Mar 2018 #76

Paradoxically, some of these are exactly the people no military would want. Orsino Mar 2018 #87

I support EFFECTIVE gun control. MineralMan Mar 2018 #3

So do I, and I think what I outlined is both effective and reasonable. LBM20 Mar 2018 #5

What is your definition of effective? Marengo Mar 2018 #12

OH, for fuck's sake. Still at this bullshit? Squinch Mar 2018 #19

Asking someone to explain their definition of effective is bullshit? Thats an odd position to take, Marengo Mar 2018 #44

I can't support gun bans. And if you mean forced buy-backs (aka confiscation) I can't support them. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #7

We have already had the assault weapons ban under Democrat Bill Clinton. Begin at least with a LBM20 Mar 2018 #9

I remember the 1994 AWB well. IT was a disaster politically (as Bill Clinton discussed in his book) aikoaiko Mar 2018 #15

I remember gun shows after the AWB Hangingon Mar 2018 #18

The '94 AWB turned the AR-15 into the most popular rifle in America. EL34x4 Mar 2018 #26

Reasonable limits. Straw Man Mar 2018 #35

When you buy a weapon you should own it for life and it is registered to you and you alone. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #8

It would be government buy back program, and the guns would be dismantled. LBM20 Mar 2018 #13

Yes exemptions and perhaps there could be a transfer of ownership in certain circumstances. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #16

The cost of a background check should be packaged in with the cost of the gun RockCreek Mar 2018 #77

What is your definition of armor piercing ammunition? Marengo Mar 2018 #10

Rounds with a hardened coating designed to penetrated thicker metals and body armor. LBM20 Mar 2018 #14

Coating? I thought the penetrator core was the principle armor-defeating element in small arms... Marengo Mar 2018 #17

Let it go. Hangingon Mar 2018 #21

Right, I forgot...legislating from a position of ignorance and emotion is perfectly acceptable for.. Marengo Mar 2018 #42

Come on Marengo, You and I know exactly what was meant by armor pierceing ammo..... Old Vet Mar 2018 #23

The 30-30 round from his supposedly harmless deer rifle can defeat many types of body armor... Marengo Mar 2018 #33

Fine. Weaken the round and strengthen the body armor. I think we've heard enough. LBM20 Mar 2018 #39

Weaken to what point? So that its no longer effective as a hunting round? Marengo Mar 2018 #43

re: Weaken to what point? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #85

This is why gun legislation has had so many loopholes in the past madville Mar 2018 #24

Fine, just say "semi-automatic" or firearms with detachable magazines . . . . . . Hoyt Mar 2018 #29

I have one of these in my collection, It was built in 1917. Would you make this rifle illegal? oneshooter Mar 2018 #48

OneShooter, sorry, but I dont care about your collection nor the fact the Hoyt Mar 2018 #49

Why don't you answer the question, instead of crying. oneshooter Mar 2018 #67

The answer was obvious. Hoyt Mar 2018 #72

So come out and say it. Or are you afraid of the truth coming out? oneshooter Mar 2018 #81

"It's not a clip, it's a magazine." That's space i-3 on the bingo board. Squinch Mar 2018 #32

Please. Enough of the hair splitting. The issue is too important. Not interested in games. LBM20 Mar 2018 #38

Hair splitting? I find it odd that an Army veteran would describe the construction of AP ammo in.. Marengo Mar 2018 #46

Maybe not everyone was that interested in the lethal aspects of everything. Hoyt Mar 2018 #50

LOL! Thats one of your lamest yet. Someone who claims to be former mil with oh-so-much... Marengo Mar 2018 #56

Id concentrate on which was best for what use, etc., not composition. Some people just Hoyt Mar 2018 #57

In the profession of arms so to speak, its not a matter of finding it fascinating, its a matter... Marengo Mar 2018 #69

One doesn't need extensive knowledge to know what the damn slugs do. Ask an ER doc or nurse. Hoyt Mar 2018 #71

As I said upthread, the round from his 30-30 deer rifle can penetrate certain levels of body armor.. Marengo Mar 2018 #73

Don't care. If your favorite round gets outlawed or has to be modified, tough. EOM Hoyt Mar 2018 #74

Modified for what purpose? Marengo Mar 2018 #75

What is your definition of "NRA troll script?" Squinch Mar 2018 #20

LOL Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #30

Is that all you have? Marengo Mar 2018 #34

Why struggle? Some things are so obvious they don't need a lot of effort. Is that all YOU have? Squinch Mar 2018 #37

How about a link or a cite to where Ive claimed to be an NRA member. Marengo Mar 2018 #45

LOL! So transparent! Always directly from the script! Squinch Mar 2018 #47

So, nothing to back up your NRA accusation? Marengo Mar 2018 #52

Every post you post. You aren't very good at it. Squinch Mar 2018 #53

Ill ask you again to back that up with a link or cite to where Ive claimed to be an NRA member. Marengo Mar 2018 #55

Will you hold your breath till I do? Or till I "retract?" Though I guess not. That isn't part of Squinch Mar 2018 #83

No, Ill just consider your integrity as limited as your knowledge of the subject. Marengo Mar 2018 #84

Oh, how horrifying! The NRA script thinks I lack integrity! Squinch Mar 2018 #88

Yes, your integrity is as limited as your knowledge on this subject. As you cant debate from... Marengo Mar 2018 #89

Oh, no. The script called me uninformed! Squinch Mar 2018 #90

Its obvious that you clearly are uninformed. Why else would you persist in repeating a clealy... Marengo Mar 2018 #91

But it isn't a script. That everyone has seen a million times before. And everyone knows Squinch Mar 2018 #92

You are robotically repeating a substanceless accusation as a smoke screen. You obviously cant... Marengo Mar 2018 #94

Do you understand the meaning of irony? Do you understand the meaning of projection? Squinch Mar 2018 #95

Ill ask you again to provide some kind of cite to... Marengo Mar 2018 #96

Oh, Merengue, this has been fun, but unlike all those NRA trolls, I don't get paid to post. Squinch Mar 2018 #98

In other words, you have nothing. No evidence whatsoever to validate your accusation, and no... Marengo Mar 2018 #99

Yup JI7 Mar 2018 #41

Well thought out post. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #22

Why not a handgun ban? sl8 Mar 2018 #25

What about pointed sticks? Iggo Mar 2018 #28

Pointed sticks don't kill 10s of thousands of people a year. Humanist_Activist Mar 2018 #31

Remember Rawanda? ginny skinny Mar 2018 #59

That was literally state sanctioned genocide where thousands participated in it. Humanist_Activist Mar 2018 #70

Cutting instruments kill more people in the USA... Marengo Mar 2018 #97

The courts have ruled people can have guns. Let's get the assault rifles and do other things. You LBM20 Mar 2018 #36

OK, thanks . n/t sl8 Mar 2018 #40

+1. I see no reason to offer a buyback program. Why reward bad behavior and bad investments. Hoyt Mar 2018 #27

I'm a proud Democrat and a 2nd Amendment supporter. ginny skinny Mar 2018 #51

One thing that's really been bothering me... ginny skinny Mar 2018 #54

Seems to do just fine in massacres and gunners sure get excited about these rifles and ammo. Hoyt Mar 2018 #58

Huh? ginny skinny Mar 2018 #60

AR15s, and their so-called underpowered ammo. Does that help? Hoyt Mar 2018 #61

My point is that as rifle ammo goes, .223 is not anywhere near the top tier. ginny skinny Mar 2018 #62

I get your point, heard it from hundreds of gunners. Fact is, that ammo does a good enough Hoyt Mar 2018 #64

I was wrong once... ginny skinny Mar 2018 #65

"Since you are new, I assume youve stumbled upon the Gungeon. If not, check it out." ginny skinny Mar 2018 #63

Mark Warner has Come Out in Support of More Gun Control which is a change from previous Position JI7 Mar 2018 #66

Thank you for such a well reasoned post. pnwmom Mar 2018 #68

totally agree with you 100% beachbum bob Mar 2018 #78

The point is Children are being murdered Tribalceltic Mar 2018 #79

Our police ARE jack booted thugs though Calculating Mar 2018 #80

My husband and I are gun owners peggysue2 Mar 2018 #82

Some good ideas hack89 Mar 2018 #86

Armor piercing ammo is less lethal than hollow point or frangible rounds Calista241 Mar 2018 #93

I get your point about a neat vs. messy hole but, sammythecat Mar 2018 #102

How many people that are wearing bullet proof vests Calista241 Mar 2018 #103

Responsible gun owners should support sensible gun laws IronLionZion Mar 2018 #100

im a gun owner as well and i want all gun owners to be as responsible as.... samnsara Mar 2018 #101