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ManiacJoe

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293. Much of what we need is already in place.

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:47 AM

Mar 2018

We just need better use.

The NICS background checks work really well. Except some states don't report any the data they are supposed to report. Some states don't report all the data they are supposed to. Some federal departments don't report all the data they are supposed to. Some federal laws need to be updated to better address perceived conflicts, like the HIPAA laws.

The NICS system also need to be updated to allow private sellers to use it since the current fed laws prohibit private sellers from doing the background checks.

The mental health system of this country and the other parts of the social safety net also need work.

We need to do a lot of soul searching to see what has changed in the last 30 years in this country regarding the kids and young adults, because what has not changed are the guns.

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What is an "assault rifle," he asked sarcastically. [View all] Mortos Mar 2018 OP

I could have used that last night Phoenix61 Mar 2018 #1

Last night is when I was posed the question, again Mortos Mar 2018 #6

Me. Too duhneece Mar 2018 #98

I'm saving this for future discussions here in Marble Falls. marble falls Mar 2018 #2

Are you talking about Marble Falls, TX? Miigwech Mar 2018 #7

Marble Falls, Tx marble falls Mar 2018 #19

Pretty sure there is only one Marble Falls just as there is only one Lampasas. efhmc Mar 2018 #67

There's a couple of Marble Falls, only one Lampasas marble falls Mar 2018 #128

Well only one Marble Falls in this neck of the woods. efhmc Mar 2018 #162

I drive through Lampasas about monthly when I go to Temple VA.... marble falls Mar 2018 #163

No, sorry. efhmc Mar 2018 #172

Good people, both him and his sister. Local musician, stole Pootie's statue from Pootie's bar... marble falls Mar 2018 #186

here's some Donnie Price for you.... marble falls Mar 2018 #226

Thanks. efhmc Mar 2018 #229

Donnie's just a good all around decent human being. marble falls Mar 2018 #230

Excellent. It is also weapon of choice of 3%ers, oathkeepers, militia groups, racists, white wingers Hoyt Mar 2018 #3

Ever notice that you never see these clowns with one-shot, bolt-action deer rifles? Aristus Mar 2018 #10

That is my rifle of choice, and I won't have anything to do with the NRA RainCaster Mar 2018 #17

Hopefully, you will no longer have that choice before long. Hoyt Mar 2018 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #140

If a mighty, mighty deer hunter can't work the action of a hunting rifle Aristus Mar 2018 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #143

I'm fine with a five-round magazine. Aristus Mar 2018 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #148

And then they banned gun sales through the mail. Aristus Mar 2018 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #245

Or we could go BOTH ways! Aristus Mar 2018 #253

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #283

You know as well as I do that semi-auto weapons with high-capacity magazines Aristus Mar 2018 #286

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #290

Apparently you don't know very well. Straw Man Mar 2018 #296

Not one with an IQ above 75. paleotn Mar 2018 #43

low iQ Larrybanal Mar 2018 #57

That picture shows a group of armed militia showing an enemy flag. padfun Mar 2018 #131

I think the data show that handguns are still the preferred weapon of school shooters. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #4

Come on Mortos Mar 2018 #8

Not a dodge. The AWB you tote covers semiauto rifles, shotguns, & handguns in certain configurations aikoaiko Mar 2018 #9

So because gunners insist on writing watered-down laws that allow too many loopholes shanny Mar 2018 #15

Not quite. The latest AWB after Sandy Hook was defeated by changing the grip for $35 aikoaiko Mar 2018 #16

Well I am tired of stupid enthusiasts Tumbulu Mar 2018 #22

Oooh, pleasure seeking. So evil. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #37

Aussies said precisely the same thing.... paleotn Mar 2018 #41

Look, I'm no big gun fan, don't know a ton about them but s/he appears to be correct ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #59

Aussies paid gun owners compensation NickB79 Mar 2018 #87

Yes, $150bbn TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #114

When your pleasure Tumbulu Mar 2018 #113

I'm confident all firearms won't be banned within the US in 5 years aikoaiko Mar 2018 #121

"If the gun nuts don't stop this obfuscation all weapons will be banned in the US within 5 years" EX500rider Mar 2018 #133

You will see, that remains the choice of the gun nuts Tumbulu Mar 2018 #154

Pass some laws first hack89 Mar 2018 #165

Dream on and watch Tumbulu Mar 2018 #167

I have been watching for over 20 years hack89 Mar 2018 #168

"or the imaginary right will be taken away." EX500rider Mar 2018 #169

Just dream on. No need for you to worry Tumbulu Mar 2018 #174

One of us needs to dream on, that I agree with. EX500rider Mar 2018 #214

Pretty sure all laws and rights are by their very nature, imaginary LanternWaste Mar 2018 #211

No, all those things are not imaginary.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #215

Trump was the 1st one to suggest it weissmam Mar 2018 #129

insincere HopeAgain Mar 2018 #29

Yeah, I'm been transparent about my firearms. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #32

Ban them all, but put in a provision to send all ex gun owners thoughts and prayers cards. Canoe52 Mar 2018 #192

That's funny. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #193

horse shit..... paleotn Mar 2018 #39

Perfect snort Mar 2018 #101

"I'll make it simple for you.... EX500rider Mar 2018 #134

And so were Browning BAR's paleotn Mar 2018 #150

"As one who seems to think the blood of innocent people is just the price we have to pay... EX500rider Mar 2018 #152

The constitution gives the rights for states to keep militias Tumbulu Mar 2018 #155

The Bill of Rights guarantees the rights of the people. EX500rider Mar 2018 #159

Dream on, times up Tumbulu Mar 2018 #160

Rate of fire for all semi-autos are pretty much the same. Reloading magazines slows them down. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #195

The gun humpers show up at every turn to obfuscate the discussion AllyCat Mar 2018 #47

we can have both if you're willing to compromise. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #48

It's the gun nuts that aren't willing to compromise. Downtown Hound Mar 2018 #71

Absolutely! Tumbulu Mar 2018 #110

I don't consider gun bans to be compromises. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #282

Whatever. Don't even for one minute act like the problem is Downtown Hound Mar 2018 #325

compromising means giving as well as getting aikoaiko Mar 2018 #331

Sorry, kids are dying Downtown Hound Mar 2018 #338

Assault weapons AND dead kids? I think we AllyCat Mar 2018 #130

Nope...the lower receiver is the only part legally considered a gun.... mentalslavery Mar 2018 #23

I understand the lower is the only part regulated as a firearm, but that has never been aikoaiko Mar 2018 #34

you are not up on the debate...all of the things that I have said are part of current legislation mentalslavery Mar 2018 #51

Please show me the federal law that banned the AR15 lower. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #54

I just did dude, we had an national assault weapons band that sunsetted after W mentalslavery Mar 2018 #55

You are factually incorrect. AR lowers were never banned. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #62

you dont not know how to read legislation...section C...you figured otu the google tho! mentalslavery Mar 2018 #66

I love it .....the legislation literally says Colt AR and your like, it never banned AR lowers..WHAA mentalslavery Mar 2018 #70

You are still factually wrong about the 1994 banned AR lowers aikoaiko Mar 2018 #73

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #75

rofl aikoaiko Mar 2018 #78

thought you were walkin way.. mentalslavery Mar 2018 #80

Actually, I said I wouldn't argue. Laughing is another matter. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #86

You should have walked away before sputtering nonsense about lowers being banned in 94. Marengo Mar 2018 #173

I worked the gun counter at a sporting goods store in 2000. We sold AR's NickB79 Mar 2018 #90

Legislatures will study and review the guns that have been used in mass shootings Sophia4 Mar 2018 #91

Agree 100%! Tumbulu Mar 2018 #156

You are absolutely right. So future legislation should be worded flamin lib Mar 2018 #42

Precisely.... paleotn Mar 2018 #46

"We have the numbers...we have the votes. They do not." EX500rider Mar 2018 #135

Um no.... paleotn Mar 2018 #149

Whats your valid reason for owning those firearms? Marengo Mar 2018 #175

hand guns and bolt action only...comin for your guns... mentalslavery Mar 2018 #74

Handguns are responsible for far greater numbers of gun deaths and injury than rifles of any type... Marengo Mar 2018 #177

what about limiting the size of the magazine.? Kurt V. Mar 2018 #72

Of course. Its probably the smartest thing that is doable. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #76

good. i know gun owners that support this Kurt V. Mar 2018 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Mar 2018 #85

Arguing with aikoaiko is like arguing with the NRA. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #50

ANY Gun of any size or clip capability is an ASSAULT weapon, Guns are made for Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #276

Fine, let's do something about those too. Glad you brought it up. Hoyt Mar 2018 #13

Yes! Tumbulu Mar 2018 #25

I triple dog dare you. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #35

See, this is really what its all about..Aikoaiko is a perfect example... mentalslavery Mar 2018 #77

My ignore list grows snort Mar 2018 #106

In what way is Aikoaiko a criminal? Marengo Mar 2018 #176

Amen! shanny Mar 2018 #36

Good,if true. The injuries are less lethal. But there is still the issue of pnwmom Mar 2018 #61

Well, then lets talk about magazine size rather than firearms. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #64

Police use SWAT tanks too. That doesn't mean civilians should. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #92

Technically, civilians can have tanks. Not many people want them. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #95

No, it is illegal for a civilian to drive around in a SWAT tank. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #104

Yes, its true that they don't have all the parts and you can't drive them on roads typically, aikoaiko Mar 2018 #108

Just to be clear... Adrahil Mar 2018 #206

Thanks for your concern about "clarity." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #218

He CAN fire real shells. He doesn't. Different point entirely. Adrahil Mar 2018 #222

It would be illegal to fire real Sherman tank shells. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #223

wrong on all points.. Adrahil Mar 2018 #225

It is not "perfectly legal" for a civilian to shoot a Sherman tank shell. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #227

Yes, it IS legal to shoot the gun. Adrahil Mar 2018 #228

An idiot doing stupid shit on Youtube doesn't prove it's legal. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #233

The Shermans main gun is classified as a large bore destructive device under Title II, and most... Marengo Mar 2018 #238

The "tanks are perfectly legal" talking point is demonstrably false. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #239

You have made several demonstrably false statements in this discussion and have been corrected. Marengo Mar 2018 #251

I have shown it is illegal, at least in California, the jurisdiction I am familiar with. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #261

Nonsense, you added that qualifier AFTER you were proven wrong. You are not well informed on... Marengo Mar 2018 #262

Wrong. The person I was responding to offered no qualifier, saying it was "perfectly legal." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #264

Rubbish, it is legal on a FEDERAL level, and in a majority of states. California code does not... Marengo Mar 2018 #269

If it is not legal for the majority of the US population; it's not "perfectly legal." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #271

I sincerely hope this is an intentional display of Marengo Mar 2018 #274

NY + Calif 59 million US pop 325 million....hardly a majority. EX500rider Mar 2018 #284

Wow, the tag teaming continues. Obsessed much? SunSeeker Mar 2018 #285

Just pointing out your poor math skills. EX500rider Mar 2018 #287

My math skills are good, EX500rider. Marengo cited only one unnamed state. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #289

How about this place, in TEXAS. oneshooter Mar 2018 #317

Heres a link to list of NFA laws by state compiled by a Class 3 dealer. The LBDD column containes.. Marengo Mar 2018 #326

Have any comment on the info in post #326? Marengo Mar 2018 #356

Uh oh, looks like youre wrong again. Legal with a permit from the California DOJ, 12305(b). Marengo Mar 2018 #327

Marengo, it is you who is wrong. Again. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #333

LOL! You claimed it is illegal to possess a large bore destructive device in CA, turns out its not Marengo Mar 2018 #334

It is illegal, as you will find out if you try to do it. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #335

Sorry, but you are owned by your own citation. 12305(b) allows for possession by individuals Marengo Mar 2018 #336

Nope. Narrow, CADOJ approved uses of cannons hardly equate to it being "perfectly legal." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #337

Sorry, your own citation proves a process exists to allow individuals to apply for a permit to.... Marengo Mar 2018 #339

That's like saying because a surgeon can cut someone open, it is "perfectly legal" to cut someone. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #340

I'd stop digging if I was you. EX500rider Mar 2018 #343

I'd stop making shit up if I were you. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #345

You were making shit up in post 104, and when proven wrong you starting tossing out qualfiers... Marengo Mar 2018 #355

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #357

In other words, you were wrong. Did you intentionally fail to mention the statute provides... Marengo Mar 2018 #348

No, I cited the statute accurately. You wrongly said it was "perfectly legal." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #350

No, you are either uninformed or are being disingenuous. The good cause provision is not limited... Marengo Mar 2018 #354

I have one of these in my barn. Rebuilding the engine. Is this a "swat tank"? oneshooter Mar 2018 #316

full disclosure. .. Kurt V. Mar 2018 #183

17 people were killed in Parkland in 6 minutes, 26 people were killed in Sandy Hook.... George II Mar 2018 #83

I agree that ARs have been used in massive and tragic massacres. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #84

There are different ways to look at it - we can look at the number of incidents and weapons.... George II Mar 2018 #89

I agree there are different ways to look at it. Legitimate and illiminating ways. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #93

You are making an argument for the US to ban the sales and possession of semi-auto handguns. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2018 #182

Banning all semi-autos would be more consistent with what anti-gun violence want. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #185

Not necessary, most gun deaths are due to semi-auto handguns, frankly I have little interest... Humanist_Activist Mar 2018 #208

Handguns are responsible for a multitude of killings every single day across the country MichMan Mar 2018 #102

So let's stiffen the penalties for illegal carry...and make every single person who wants one Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #224

The problem is not the penalty. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #241

Not in New York...make it a felony. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #252

Felonies are plea-bargained away all the time. Straw Man Mar 2018 #265

Just because some won't get the max is no reason not have laws...people still murder but Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #272

What? Straw Man Mar 2018 #273

Perhaps I sent this to the wrong person...but those who say a law won't work because some will Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #297

And I presume it was a standard hand gun that was emptied into that black man in Sacto Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #277

Assuming are you referring to the recent police shooting, ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #292

Right, so all guns are a problem Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #298

I don't know how to build a watch, but I know how to tell time. forgotmylogin Mar 2018 #88

My watch says it's time to ban highly lethal weapons that grantcart Mar 2018 #171

+1 (n/t) forgotmylogin Mar 2018 #190

If the goal ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #266

Yesterday I marched in Pittsburgh carrying this sign FakeNoose Mar 2018 #5

Thank you. People who ought to know, say this -- Hoyt Mar 2018 #14

That signs stats seem unlikely. EX500rider Mar 2018 #136

Wow. Straw Man Mar 2018 #268

Great OP! nt raccoon Mar 2018 #11

They are weapons of war ornotna Mar 2018 #12

Nicely put. Paladin Mar 2018 #18

I can't add anything more MustLoveBeagles Mar 2018 #20

Another feature of an assault rifle SCVDem Mar 2018 #21

AN ASSAULT RIFLE IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO LAY LEAD... mentalslavery Mar 2018 #30

Barrel length is an issue SCVDem Mar 2018 #120

A quicker response is, "Fuck off. You know what we're talking about." hunter Mar 2018 #24

I personally like..."oh...ok...well if you don't know what one is then you won't miss it" mentalslavery Mar 2018 #60

Good post - packman Mar 2018 #26

NRA trolls out in full force HopeAgain Mar 2018 #27

"NRA-Russian" Cryptoad Mar 2018 #52

You wouldnt align with Scalia on Texas v Johnson, Maryland v King, or Brown v EMA? Marengo Mar 2018 #178

great post Locrian Mar 2018 #28

No it was not hack89 Mar 2018 #166

So outlawing a round that wounds while leaving available.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #219

Thank you. K and R oasis Mar 2018 #31

An assault weapon is one that is pointed at me...... lastlib Mar 2018 #33

We can figure it out Johnny2X2X Mar 2018 #38

Unless you have memorized and can recite . . . MrModerate Mar 2018 #40

LOL - what if your spouse is pointing one at you FakeNoose Mar 2018 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #144

Absolutely! We need a definition that includes these: William Seger Mar 2018 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #145

Same gun. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #242

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #247

Until we evolve, i.e. grow up and stop needing these toys, we should allow the 2nd to be Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #278

WOW! Thank you for that - may I quote you? Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #45

Share and quote away Mortos Mar 2018 #58

Thank you! I will! Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #164

I freely admit that I am anti-gun. Stonepounder Mar 2018 #56

All bullets yaw and break up on impact Abnredleg Mar 2018 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #146

According to wikipedia, approximately 1100 rounds. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #248

The problem is not the rate of fire either. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #244

I have a question for you regarding your last statement. Stonepounder Mar 2018 #256

Not presuming to answer for ManiacJoe, but I have my own ideas. Straw Man Mar 2018 #270

Thank you for a perfectly reasonable response to the first part of my question. Stonepounder Mar 2018 #275

Much of what we need is already in place. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #293

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #250

No guns would be needed at all, well almost none, if we enforced the 2nd Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #279

I have a new question for gun owners MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #63

I imagine most of them would say they plan to shoot it next time they go to the range or hunting. EX500rider Mar 2018 #68

White, racist hillbillies, mostly NickB79 Mar 2018 #97

Me, too! MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #99

Are you suggesting a Porsche should not be legal to own because it looks fast? MichMan Mar 2018 #157

No MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #161

Cars again? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #280

I'm sorry I even mentioned cars ... I see that used all the time now in arguments between pro-gun MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #312

Well, I do have a lot of swords... Adrahil Mar 2018 #207

Here's your chance to use it. I'll answer it Sailor65x1 Mar 2018 #232

No, you've answered it. You would kill animals that are menacing children (or others) MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #236

I have owned AR-15s for decades without harming a single living thing hack89 Mar 2018 #300

Yes, I have a question.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #65

Bump stocks Mortos Mar 2018 #137

Don't insult your intelligence by repeating the truth you already posted? EX500rider Mar 2018 #141

They say we don't know enough about guns to regulate them Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #69

Excellent counterpoints. Make the owners know about the effects. To their family/friends/loved ones erronis Mar 2018 #124

Why does anyone honestly own a gun outside of hunters and hunting rifles? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #281

Great post...I like to ask them what they would prefer to be shot by BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #79

Depends on the round. EX500rider Mar 2018 #258

Ill take the lower velocity handgun, Bob BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #260

What an "assault weapon" is depends on how Congress and legislatures define it when Sophia4 Mar 2018 #81

K & R SunSeeker Mar 2018 #82

2A nt Morris64 Mar 2018 #94

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #96

-1000. It can be modified damn close. Besides in "legal" format, it's plenty lethal. Why else would Hoyt Mar 2018 #105

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #111

Close enough. Go play a stickler with 2nd Amendment folks, they love that crud. Hoyt Mar 2018 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #118

The "why are they popular" is very easy to answer. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #249

Kills effectively, makes you feel powerful as one mass shooter put it, easy to conceal, etc., is Hoyt Mar 2018 #254

"Why don't you guys give up these weapons voluntarily like "responsible" citizens." EX500rider Mar 2018 #259

He would want folks to give up their guns.. X_Digger Mar 2018 #288

One would think Hoyt would have learned by now. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #294

So another highly emotional plea painted with a broad brush krispos42 Mar 2018 #100

Fine, semi-auto handguns should be restricted too. AR15s are the most popular guns among Hoyt Mar 2018 #107

So your primary goal is stigginit to people you don't like krispos42 Mar 2018 #117

ban all of the above samir.g Mar 2018 #231

Im sorry, but theres nothing more obnoxious in a debate than pedantry. Oneironaut Mar 2018 #103

Exactly. Interview an ER doctor or EMT and let them describe what matters about these weapons. Hoyt Mar 2018 #115

If you want meaningful legislation on something you won't get there through ignorance of the subject EX500rider Mar 2018 #116

Thats the thing, though. A basic knowledge is sufficient. Oneironaut Mar 2018 #119

Yes, a basic knowledge is sufficient in most cases. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #295

Dont coddle gunners by trying to carve out some of their favorite lethal weapons. Just, ban Hoyt Mar 2018 #122

You work on that but I won't hold my breathe EX500rider Mar 2018 #132

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Excellent! I will shamelessly borrow from this in future discussions with gun nuts. Nitram Mar 2018 #125

Well written ! jimmyzvoice Mar 2018 #127

I am the original author Mortos Mar 2018 #170

Good post. Very well written. Captain Stern Mar 2018 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #139

"How about we ask all the people at Parkland that were killed what they think it means?" cstanleytech Mar 2018 #153

A gun... Snackshack Mar 2018 #158

And ammo ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #179

No Snackshack Mar 2018 #199

You imagine a distinction where one does not exist. Straw Man Mar 2018 #210

Everything Snackshack Mar 2018 #216

Big game hunters do not use the .223 round. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #240

How cosmic. Straw Man Mar 2018 #243

Before we go any further. Snackshack Mar 2018 #255

Your suggestions were based on erroneous information. Straw Man Mar 2018 #263

Aside from the notion. Snackshack Mar 2018 #299

It's not a "notion." Straw Man Mar 2018 #301

Having more Snackshack Mar 2018 #303

That's part of it ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #307

I certainly agree with you. Snackshack Mar 2018 #309

Cho Seung-Hui managed to kill 32 people with handgun powered ammunition, more than the MSD... Marengo Mar 2018 #180

7.56 is another size round. Snackshack Mar 2018 #196

Does this 7.56 have any other designation, a commercial name or the like? Marengo Mar 2018 #198

Not that I am aware of. Snackshack Mar 2018 #201

Did you by chance mean to type 7.62? Marengo Mar 2018 #202

Yes. Snackshack Mar 2018 #213

Do you mean 7.65mm? That would be a .30 caliber. oneshooter Mar 2018 #318

You meant "assault weapon" not assault rifle. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #181

I think he doesn't know what he meant, thus the thread discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #184

I am a veteran Mortos Mar 2018 #191

What were your dates of service? Marengo Mar 2018 #194

Are you really going to question my experience and honesty? Mortos Mar 2018 #197

As a veteran myself, Im always curious about other vets service eras, experiences, duty stations... Marengo Mar 2018 #200

It is a common tactic of gun lovers Mortos Mar 2018 #217

Thank you for your service, Mortos. And thank you for your posts here. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #234

Have a nice day as well discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #246

What are the legitimate civilian uses of an AR-15 that can't be achieved... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #257

There are no lower capacity rifles. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #291

If they want to have discussions on that treestar Mar 2018 #187

We don't have to know, but our lawmakers better consult experts who know IronLionZion Mar 2018 #188

Unfortunately, consulting the experts rarely ever happens. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #220

I'm hoping our leaders have learned from those mistakes IronLionZion Mar 2018 #221

I would add... MicaelS Mar 2018 #189

Rizwan Farook and Omar Mateen were white? Marengo Mar 2018 #205

We should agree with them and say OK, let's talk about all semi autos Amishman Mar 2018 #203

And as long as the "control" crowd is reaching that far... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #209

For years, the "gunner" crowd insisted there was no passion for gun control. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #235

I have never said that 'there was no passion for gun control' discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #237

This weekend will have proved absolutely nothing if it does not result in legislation. hack89 Mar 2018 #302

Your concern is duly noted. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #304

Trust me, I am not concerned hack89 Mar 2018 #305

Something has already happened. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #306

Doesn't mean things will change hack89 Mar 2018 #308

Things have already changed, and leadership is not ignoring the issue. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #310

What I see happening is UBCs, tighter background checks and maybe magazine size limits hack89 Mar 2018 #311

LOL You went from "Nothing will happen" to "UBCs" & mag size limits. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #313

They will throw you a bone while avoiding a big fight over gun control hack89 Mar 2018 #314

LOL. Man, the gunners are shitting their pants over the thought of an AWB. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #315

There will be no AWB hack89 Mar 2018 #319

You just said we would get "nothing." Then you said we'd get UBCs and mag limits. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #320

So put your cards on the table hack89 Mar 2018 #321

This isn't a card game, hack. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #322

Basic knowledge of history and politics makes prediction easy hack89 Mar 2018 #323

No one predicted these kids, hack. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #324

Until legislation is passed, no predictions have been proven wrong hack89 Mar 2018 #328

Florida already passed legislation no one predicted would pass. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #329

Minor legistation that does not take a single weapon of the street hack89 Mar 2018 #330

By that criteria, an AWB similarly "won't impact the vast majority of gun owners." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #332

Except all gun owners hate gun bans hack89 Mar 2018 #341

Wrong. 67% of Americans, including 53% of gun owners, favor an assault weapons ban. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #342

Unfortunately we don't have national referendums hack89 Mar 2018 #344

History told us we'd never have millions of people take to the streets for gun control. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #346

Millions have marched against abortion hack89 Mar 2018 #347

No, the March for Our Lives was much larger than any anti-abortion march. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #349

Time will tell but somehow I doubt it. hack89 Mar 2018 #351

Of course you doubt it. You don't want to believe it's happening. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #352

When an AWB and registration pass the US Congress hack89 Mar 2018 #353

I still think the definition is important better Mar 2018 #212

"What is an assault rifle?" Response: "Describe the female reproductive system you want to regulate" Bucky Mar 2018 #267

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