General Discussion

Mariana

(15,626 posts)

36. Smoke occurs when there is incomplete combustion.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 29, 2018, 05:45 PM

Mar 2018

With e-cigs, there is zero combustion, and zero smoke. By definition.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

153 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

For the 18th time: E-cigs might not help people quit smoking. [View all] pnwmom Mar 2018 OP

If you use e-cigs exclusively, you HAVE quit smoking. Ligyron Mar 2018 #1

You're still smoking nicotine. That heated vapor is full of nicotine and other toxins. nt pnwmom Mar 2018 #3

You are not smoking anything. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #5

Definition of smoke: pnwmom Mar 2018 #11

What other toxins? LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #12

Some are listed here. pnwmom Mar 2018 #17

Formaldehyde is only produced when a "dry hit" occurs. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #21

Arsenic and lead have also been found, and other toxins. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #27

Crappy made in China ecigs maybe. Those with any sense buy from the many US companies making them nt Doremus Mar 2018 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #100

It was the Newsweek piece and didn't specify. The researcher just had subjects pnwmom Mar 2018 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #119

Acrolein. What is the fluid medium in e-cigs? Veg oil or glycerin, which comes from veg oil. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #105

You quite literally have no idea what you're talking about ... srsly (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #114

YOU have no idea what you are talking about. Chemical engineer in biodiesel for 20 years. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #123

I responded to your response to LC (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #133

Holy cow. I can't even start with this... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #115

He is correct in one sense, glycerol can be heated to degrade it acrolein ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #121

Even that 500C is still below that 1500F. And I did say "around". tonyt53 Mar 2018 #127

Better know what YOU are talking about before running your mouth. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #125

Well... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #130

Well you should then be made aware that NOBODY vapes with 'vegetable oil' period ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #132

I was meaning to thank you yesterday for... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #136

Right on ... thanks dude (ette)! mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #140

I know exactly what FFA's are. Palm oil is just one oil, and minor here in the US. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #146

Dude you said, I quote: " When any organic substance is exposed to temperatures below about 1500F mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #149

Oh, also, you are not combusting anything. If you think you are... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #14

Maybe you should share this study with your doctor. pnwmom Mar 2018 #20

Maybe you should dig into study methodology, like my doctors have. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #22

Your doctor has probably not "dug into" the newer research. I'm glad you're feeling better pnwmom Mar 2018 #23

Well, everytime I go, he bores me with the details... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #30

Then ask him what's wrong with this one: pnwmom Mar 2018 #31

No thanks. If he volunteers the info, which I'm sure he will LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #33

I mean who DOESN'T have a doctor who recommends something that doubles heart attack risk? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #47

One who knows that smoking raises the risk by like 10x and is associated with 100+ diseases mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #84

The other poster is saying his doctor says the risks are hyped bullshit. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #93

Yes, that's exactly what he is saying. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #117

Smoke occurs when there is incomplete combustion. Mariana Mar 2018 #36

That's your definition. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #37

It's in the definition you posted. n/t LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #38

You're right. But what difference does it make what we call it? What matters is what it contains. pnwmom Mar 2018 #40

Diacetyl is avoided by knowing your ejuice. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #41

It matters if you care about being accurate. Mariana Mar 2018 #53

That's what the assault weapon proponents also say. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #55

And your point is ... what, exactly? Mariana Mar 2018 #57

That discussions about proper terminology are distractions from the real issue pnwmom Mar 2018 #60

This is an incredibly easy problem to solve. Mariana Mar 2018 #61

So because they lie, youll do it too? Seriously you should rethink this disinfo campaign.... bettyellen Mar 2018 #79

Nicotine is not a carcinogen Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #50

Its not actually smoke. Way different. bettyellen Mar 2018 #7

The argument about terminology reminds me of the arguments about assault weapons. pnwmom Mar 2018 #39

Actually they are literally two different things- steam is not smoke and diacetyl hasnt been used bettyellen Mar 2018 #43

Again, the name isn't important. It's what the aerosol contains pnwmom Mar 2018 #45

It absolutely is NOT meaningless ... smoke by it's nature contains solid particulates ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #85

That's your opinion. I agree that it's better not to be inhaling tar pnwmom Mar 2018 #87

Again if there are 'toxins' apart from Nicotine which is very mildly toxic mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #96

They ARE there, regardless of whether they should theoretically be there or not. pnwmom Mar 2018 #98

Okay, well, these 'toxins' are EVERY WHERE hence there being a Ambient Air Quality Standard ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #103

Also, there are cancer-causing chemicals in nicotine replacement products. Demit Mar 2018 #107

Yup ... every one of these 'large scale studies' involve people with ties to big Tobacco or Pharma mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #110

Then you should be fighting for better regulations and quality control. pnwmom Mar 2018 #109

Except vaping is not linked to the murder of hundreds of people, GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #62

The structure of the logical argument is the same. pnwmom Mar 2018 #63

There is no argument in this thread about terminology Mariana Mar 2018 #69

But...but...but.... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #137

Right you're inhaling nicotine vapor. Ligyron Mar 2018 #13

Lead has been found in the vapor, too. Among other things. pnwmom Mar 2018 #18

Everybody knows that vaping is not risk free, everybody also knows that they are a hell of Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #68

Then it's 100% a CONTAMINANT and by absolutely NO MEASURE is 'Lead' ... normal mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #81

The nicotine can be reduced to 0. brer cat Mar 2018 #32

Whichever way that works is the best way. Mariana Mar 2018 #65

They helped me quit MountCleaners Mar 2018 #88

I stopped using tobacco in late 2013 GWC58 Mar 2018 #97

I smoked for 40 years Brainstormy Mar 2018 #128

Congratulations! Mariana Mar 2018 #138

This is pretty much my story also. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #139

My husband got one to quit, and he's been using it for three years! He buys nicotine free Luciferous Mar 2018 #2

Congratulations to both of you. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #15

He hasn't smoked in three years and he's off nicotine? nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #108

Had my first ecig 1,681 days ago. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #4

So you're still using e-cigs? n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #9

Yes, with no nicotine. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #10

I did the same, instant switch. Mariana Mar 2018 #42

. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #44

Oh, by the way, Congrats! Mariana Mar 2018 #48

Congrats to you as well! LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #118

E-cigs definitely helped me quit smoking. Phoenix61 Mar 2018 #6

Your windmills? MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #8

I started on ecigs just to cut down on regulars and within 3 days I quit them for good. Every once Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #16

Actually, they did mean that. Most e-cig users continue to use regular cigarettes, too. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #24

Oh...I find this study very surprising. No ecig users I know continue to use regular cig's with any Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #28

Maybe the people you know are smarter and more motivated than average. Here's another article: pnwmom Mar 2018 #29

I've never met one, either. Mariana Mar 2018 #56

Including me, I brought 4 people from my office to the vape store 4 years ago mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #77

Details are rather thin on the ground Mariana Mar 2018 #83

OK flotsam Mar 2018 #64

Not hard to find: pnwmom Mar 2018 #66

Yeah flotsam Mar 2018 #72

Glantz has been a DIE HARD anti-vaper, spreading his bullshit since the DAY vaping was invented mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #82

You're never going to end regular smoking or ecig vaping, so I'm not sure why you waste your time beaglelover Mar 2018 #19

The people I'm concerned about are the teens, who are lured into this substitute pnwmom Mar 2018 #26

May we apply your sentiment consistently LanternWaste Mar 2018 #126

Everyone has their story but they helped me quit Billy Jingo Mar 2018 #25

Headline and some statements are deceptive. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #34

What's wrong with the headline? "Might" is the operative word. Some people don't understand that. pnwmom Mar 2018 #35

For me, the context of the headline was very condemning... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #46

Well, I'm glad for anyone that it helps. pnwmom Mar 2018 #49

What's wrong with your postings-Stanton Glantz-tied to sexual harassment flotsam Mar 2018 #122

You can also join an ecigarette forum like I did and got all the great juice reviews etc... Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #71

I did too, Kirk Lover. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #102

For the 19th time E-vaping does help SOME people quit cigarettes. former9thward Mar 2018 #51

But the research shows that it fails to help more people than it helps, pnwmom Mar 2018 #52

Teens have always been hooked on nicotine and better this than an analog cigarette. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #74

Sad they cannot help everyone quit smoking cigarettes The Genealogist Mar 2018 #54

I wish that were the case for me. I love the smell. Billy Jingo Mar 2018 #75

I know one thing - the "vapor" from those stinky things gives me 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2018 #58

It depends what juice is in that chamber. Some of them smell pungently which I don't like... Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #73

I quit 2.5 years ago w/e-cigs. JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #59

I guess I only imagined I kicked a nasty 35-year habit with ecigs then. Doremus Mar 2018 #70

Well, it does say MIGHT. Mariana Mar 2018 #91

For the 20th Time Leith Mar 2018 #76

I started out with the strongest concentration... MountCleaners Mar 2018 #89

Same Here Leith Mar 2018 #99

Some people really do hate smokers that much. Mariana Mar 2018 #113

Exactly right. n/t LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #120

I hate smokers and don't want to be around them IronLionZion Mar 2018 #145

You're arguing against a bit of a strawman, there. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #144

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2018 #112

But they MIGHT! logosoco Mar 2018 #78

E cig manufacturers trying to find a noble cause while selling addiction BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #80

Except ... you're wrong ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #86

I have a hypothesis about why the disposable cig-a-likes Mariana Mar 2018 #94

With people like you touting the cessation angle, I'd say they got that message out. BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #95

The cessation aspect is a valid angle. Please link me the ad's geared towards minors ... Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #104

Show me one of these ads of yours then, why don't you? Should be easy to find to show me how mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #106

I'd like to see them, too. Mariana Mar 2018 #124

The online store I use has such great customer service MountCleaners Mar 2018 #134

Thanks to you and the other successfully 'quit' vapers on this thread ... those of you touting these mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #135

Yep MountCleaners Mar 2018 #90

This Study Brought to You by the Makers of Nicorette ... because you're not giving us mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #92

Piggybacking on your thread to offer a PSA: chemicals in your coffee could cause cancer Demit Mar 2018 #111

Big Tobacco wlll never, ever give up pushing their addictive products. They have absolutely NO... Hekate Mar 2018 #116

As I've explained numerous times on this thread, Big Tobacco is not 'behind' Vaping ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #141

Smoked for 50 years and haven't had a cigarette for over a year. Bonhomme Richard Mar 2018 #129

Thanks, and congrats ... the more anecdotal evidence we post like this, the less people will 'buy mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #142

Actually I'm that guy... Bonhomme Richard Mar 2018 #148

Are any cessation aids more than 50% effective? sl8 Mar 2018 #131

One thing that can make these sorts of comparison tricky is having a common meaning of 'quitting' mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #143

Tricky indeed. Mariana Mar 2018 #147

Another study for y'all, no Toxins in 2nd Hand Vapor even in high concentrations in closed quarters mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #150

Is he spreading the lie that nicotine causes cancer? Mariana Mar 2018 #151

I'm mentioning 2 different people in this thread, Glantz is the 'researcher' cited in original post mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #152

Count me in as one who started vaping and nocoincidences Mar 2018 #153