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143. One thing that can make these sorts of comparison tricky is having a common meaning of 'quitting'

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 03:13 PM

Mar 2018

IMHO, if you no longer smoke regular cigarettes with anything like 'regularity', then you've successfully 'quit smoking'.

That blurb above doesn't define 'quitting' either. What % of the people who 'succeeded' are actually OFF the patches/lozenges/etc? Do you have to be to meet the criteria, IOW?

Similarly with vaping, what if one used to smoke, but have since switched completely to vaping ... for years. Is that NOT 'quitting smoking'? How many years or months must it be? Does having had 1 cig a month ago in a time of stress 'count against you', even its the only 1 you had in 4 years? What if have weaned to 0% nicotine, but still vape? Is that quitting? To a researcher, it all depends on the standards/methodology.

There's no real 'common definition', and that makes comparing studies ... tricky.

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For the 18th time: E-cigs might not help people quit smoking. [View all] pnwmom Mar 2018 OP

If you use e-cigs exclusively, you HAVE quit smoking. Ligyron Mar 2018 #1

You're still smoking nicotine. That heated vapor is full of nicotine and other toxins. nt pnwmom Mar 2018 #3

You are not smoking anything. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #5

Definition of smoke: pnwmom Mar 2018 #11

What other toxins? LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #12

Some are listed here. pnwmom Mar 2018 #17

Formaldehyde is only produced when a "dry hit" occurs. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #21

Arsenic and lead have also been found, and other toxins. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #27

Crappy made in China ecigs maybe. Those with any sense buy from the many US companies making them nt Doremus Mar 2018 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #100

It was the Newsweek piece and didn't specify. The researcher just had subjects pnwmom Mar 2018 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #119

Acrolein. What is the fluid medium in e-cigs? Veg oil or glycerin, which comes from veg oil. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #105

You quite literally have no idea what you're talking about ... srsly (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #114

YOU have no idea what you are talking about. Chemical engineer in biodiesel for 20 years. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #123

I responded to your response to LC (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #133

Holy cow. I can't even start with this... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #115

He is correct in one sense, glycerol can be heated to degrade it acrolein ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #121

Even that 500C is still below that 1500F. And I did say "around". tonyt53 Mar 2018 #127

Better know what YOU are talking about before running your mouth. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #125

Well... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #130

Well you should then be made aware that NOBODY vapes with 'vegetable oil' period ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #132

I was meaning to thank you yesterday for... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #136

Right on ... thanks dude (ette)! mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #140

I know exactly what FFA's are. Palm oil is just one oil, and minor here in the US. tonyt53 Mar 2018 #146

Dude you said, I quote: " When any organic substance is exposed to temperatures below about 1500F mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #149

Oh, also, you are not combusting anything. If you think you are... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #14

Maybe you should share this study with your doctor. pnwmom Mar 2018 #20

Maybe you should dig into study methodology, like my doctors have. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #22

Your doctor has probably not "dug into" the newer research. I'm glad you're feeling better pnwmom Mar 2018 #23

Well, everytime I go, he bores me with the details... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #30

Then ask him what's wrong with this one: pnwmom Mar 2018 #31

No thanks. If he volunteers the info, which I'm sure he will LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #33

I mean who DOESN'T have a doctor who recommends something that doubles heart attack risk? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #47

One who knows that smoking raises the risk by like 10x and is associated with 100+ diseases mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #84

The other poster is saying his doctor says the risks are hyped bullshit. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #93

Yes, that's exactly what he is saying. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #117

Smoke occurs when there is incomplete combustion. Mariana Mar 2018 #36

That's your definition. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #37

It's in the definition you posted. n/t LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #38

You're right. But what difference does it make what we call it? What matters is what it contains. pnwmom Mar 2018 #40

Diacetyl is avoided by knowing your ejuice. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #41

It matters if you care about being accurate. Mariana Mar 2018 #53

That's what the assault weapon proponents also say. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #55

And your point is ... what, exactly? Mariana Mar 2018 #57

That discussions about proper terminology are distractions from the real issue pnwmom Mar 2018 #60

This is an incredibly easy problem to solve. Mariana Mar 2018 #61

So because they lie, youll do it too? Seriously you should rethink this disinfo campaign.... bettyellen Mar 2018 #79

Nicotine is not a carcinogen Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #50

Its not actually smoke. Way different. bettyellen Mar 2018 #7

The argument about terminology reminds me of the arguments about assault weapons. pnwmom Mar 2018 #39

Actually they are literally two different things- steam is not smoke and diacetyl hasnt been used bettyellen Mar 2018 #43

Again, the name isn't important. It's what the aerosol contains pnwmom Mar 2018 #45

It absolutely is NOT meaningless ... smoke by it's nature contains solid particulates ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #85

That's your opinion. I agree that it's better not to be inhaling tar pnwmom Mar 2018 #87

Again if there are 'toxins' apart from Nicotine which is very mildly toxic mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #96

They ARE there, regardless of whether they should theoretically be there or not. pnwmom Mar 2018 #98

Okay, well, these 'toxins' are EVERY WHERE hence there being a Ambient Air Quality Standard ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #103

Also, there are cancer-causing chemicals in nicotine replacement products. Demit Mar 2018 #107

Yup ... every one of these 'large scale studies' involve people with ties to big Tobacco or Pharma mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #110

Then you should be fighting for better regulations and quality control. pnwmom Mar 2018 #109

Except vaping is not linked to the murder of hundreds of people, GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #62

The structure of the logical argument is the same. pnwmom Mar 2018 #63

There is no argument in this thread about terminology Mariana Mar 2018 #69

But...but...but.... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #137

Right you're inhaling nicotine vapor. Ligyron Mar 2018 #13

Lead has been found in the vapor, too. Among other things. pnwmom Mar 2018 #18

Everybody knows that vaping is not risk free, everybody also knows that they are a hell of Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #68

Then it's 100% a CONTAMINANT and by absolutely NO MEASURE is 'Lead' ... normal mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #81

The nicotine can be reduced to 0. brer cat Mar 2018 #32

Whichever way that works is the best way. Mariana Mar 2018 #65

They helped me quit MountCleaners Mar 2018 #88

I stopped using tobacco in late 2013 GWC58 Mar 2018 #97

I smoked for 40 years Brainstormy Mar 2018 #128

Congratulations! Mariana Mar 2018 #138

This is pretty much my story also. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #139

My husband got one to quit, and he's been using it for three years! He buys nicotine free Luciferous Mar 2018 #2

Congratulations to both of you. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #15

He hasn't smoked in three years and he's off nicotine? nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #108

Had my first ecig 1,681 days ago. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #4

So you're still using e-cigs? n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #9

Yes, with no nicotine. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #10

I did the same, instant switch. Mariana Mar 2018 #42

. LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #44

Oh, by the way, Congrats! Mariana Mar 2018 #48

Congrats to you as well! LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #118

E-cigs definitely helped me quit smoking. Phoenix61 Mar 2018 #6

Your windmills? MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #8

I started on ecigs just to cut down on regulars and within 3 days I quit them for good. Every once Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #16

Actually, they did mean that. Most e-cig users continue to use regular cigarettes, too. n/t pnwmom Mar 2018 #24

Oh...I find this study very surprising. No ecig users I know continue to use regular cig's with any Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #28

Maybe the people you know are smarter and more motivated than average. Here's another article: pnwmom Mar 2018 #29

I've never met one, either. Mariana Mar 2018 #56

Including me, I brought 4 people from my office to the vape store 4 years ago mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #77

Details are rather thin on the ground Mariana Mar 2018 #83

OK flotsam Mar 2018 #64

Not hard to find: pnwmom Mar 2018 #66

Yeah flotsam Mar 2018 #72

Glantz has been a DIE HARD anti-vaper, spreading his bullshit since the DAY vaping was invented mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #82

You're never going to end regular smoking or ecig vaping, so I'm not sure why you waste your time beaglelover Mar 2018 #19

The people I'm concerned about are the teens, who are lured into this substitute pnwmom Mar 2018 #26

May we apply your sentiment consistently LanternWaste Mar 2018 #126

Everyone has their story but they helped me quit Billy Jingo Mar 2018 #25

Headline and some statements are deceptive. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #34

What's wrong with the headline? "Might" is the operative word. Some people don't understand that. pnwmom Mar 2018 #35

For me, the context of the headline was very condemning... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #46

Well, I'm glad for anyone that it helps. pnwmom Mar 2018 #49

What's wrong with your postings-Stanton Glantz-tied to sexual harassment flotsam Mar 2018 #122

You can also join an ecigarette forum like I did and got all the great juice reviews etc... Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #71

I did too, Kirk Lover. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #102

For the 19th time E-vaping does help SOME people quit cigarettes. former9thward Mar 2018 #51

But the research shows that it fails to help more people than it helps, pnwmom Mar 2018 #52

Teens have always been hooked on nicotine and better this than an analog cigarette. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #74

Sad they cannot help everyone quit smoking cigarettes The Genealogist Mar 2018 #54

I wish that were the case for me. I love the smell. Billy Jingo Mar 2018 #75

I know one thing - the "vapor" from those stinky things gives me 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2018 #58

It depends what juice is in that chamber. Some of them smell pungently which I don't like... Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #73

I quit 2.5 years ago w/e-cigs. JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #59

I guess I only imagined I kicked a nasty 35-year habit with ecigs then. Doremus Mar 2018 #70

Well, it does say MIGHT. Mariana Mar 2018 #91

For the 20th Time Leith Mar 2018 #76

I started out with the strongest concentration... MountCleaners Mar 2018 #89

Same Here Leith Mar 2018 #99

Some people really do hate smokers that much. Mariana Mar 2018 #113

Exactly right. n/t LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #120

I hate smokers and don't want to be around them IronLionZion Mar 2018 #145

You're arguing against a bit of a strawman, there. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #144

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2018 #112

But they MIGHT! logosoco Mar 2018 #78

E cig manufacturers trying to find a noble cause while selling addiction BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #80

Except ... you're wrong ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #86

I have a hypothesis about why the disposable cig-a-likes Mariana Mar 2018 #94

With people like you touting the cessation angle, I'd say they got that message out. BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #95

The cessation aspect is a valid angle. Please link me the ad's geared towards minors ... Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #104

Show me one of these ads of yours then, why don't you? Should be easy to find to show me how mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #106

I'd like to see them, too. Mariana Mar 2018 #124

The online store I use has such great customer service MountCleaners Mar 2018 #134

Thanks to you and the other successfully 'quit' vapers on this thread ... those of you touting these mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #135

Yep MountCleaners Mar 2018 #90

This Study Brought to You by the Makers of Nicorette ... because you're not giving us mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #92

Piggybacking on your thread to offer a PSA: chemicals in your coffee could cause cancer Demit Mar 2018 #111

Big Tobacco wlll never, ever give up pushing their addictive products. They have absolutely NO... Hekate Mar 2018 #116

As I've explained numerous times on this thread, Big Tobacco is not 'behind' Vaping ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #141

Smoked for 50 years and haven't had a cigarette for over a year. Bonhomme Richard Mar 2018 #129

Thanks, and congrats ... the more anecdotal evidence we post like this, the less people will 'buy mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #142

Actually I'm that guy... Bonhomme Richard Mar 2018 #148

Are any cessation aids more than 50% effective? sl8 Mar 2018 #131

One thing that can make these sorts of comparison tricky is having a common meaning of 'quitting' mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #143

Tricky indeed. Mariana Mar 2018 #147

Another study for y'all, no Toxins in 2nd Hand Vapor even in high concentrations in closed quarters mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #150

Is he spreading the lie that nicotine causes cancer? Mariana Mar 2018 #151

I'm mentioning 2 different people in this thread, Glantz is the 'researcher' cited in original post mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #152

Count me in as one who started vaping and nocoincidences Mar 2018 #153