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vanlassie

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133. well, Indy, that's the point.

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:51 PM

Jul 2012

There is a documented "gap" between the number of mothers entering the hospital intending to breastfeed, and the number leaving breastfeeding.

>>Nearly 90 percent of California mothers have made the decision to exclusively breastfeed, yet only half are breastfeeding exclusively upon hospital discharge. Breastfeeding success is dependant on the support of hospital staff and standards of care within the hospital during those first critical 24 to 72 hours. If exclusive breastfeeding is undermined in the hospital it is next to impossible for mothers to sustain exclusive breastfeeding when they go home.<<

http://www.calwic.org/news-a-publications/wic-blog/142-study-shows-breastfeeding-gap-still-exists-in-hospitals-serving-poor-ethnic-women

As much as you and others want to make it "the government is taking away women's rights!" the facts are otherwise. This is a public health issue, and it affects all of us. Please don't try to convince us that is is something else. It is the last straw to try to get hospitals to DO THEIR JOBS. Trust me, they have had lots of warnings.

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Mayor Bloomberg pushing NYC hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-feed [View all] shadowrider Jul 2012 OP

Bloomie's just getting weird BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #1

Agreed n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #2

That is patently assinine. Not all women want to breast feed. I did not. My mom could not. peacebird Jul 2012 #3

Some women are taking/using substances and should not breast feed...does bloomberg include Tikki Jul 2012 #48

How is anyone forcing someone to breast feed? randome Jul 2012 #49

It works because you now need a "medical reason" to give an infant formula shadowrider Jul 2012 #50

Every woman in a hospital is under the care of a physician pnwmom Jul 2012 #55

Well, the nurses need to document a medical reason. randome Jul 2012 #57

ummm... I am a woman, I believe we are smart enough to know what is right for us. I remember the peacebird Jul 2012 #66

I'm sure it can go both ways, as you said. randome Jul 2012 #69

"Doctor, this woman refuses to feed her infant, it will die without a medical request for formula" peacebird Jul 2012 #73

I don't understand the need for documentation, either. randome Jul 2012 #77

They already document how you're feeding your baby gollygee Jul 2012 #93

Good point. randome Jul 2012 #99

"document a *medical reason* for every bottle (of formula) that a newborn receives" HiPointDem Jul 2012 #147

It is to keep the nurses honest. They push formula for prizes. vanlassie Jul 2012 #111

I very seriously doubt that. Most hospital pediatric departments i've been in have been promoting HiPointDem Jul 2012 #148

No it is not policy in most hospitals, which is why California vanlassie Jul 2012 #150

well, it apparently is around here, because even our tiny country hospital has a lactation HiPointDem Jul 2012 #151

This rule only applies to mothers who WANT to breastfeed and are trying to do so. pnwmom Aug 2012 #205

Every woman giving birth in any hospital Sheepshank Jul 2012 #191

Not encouraging is NOT "forcing". aquart Jul 2012 #153

Yep. Totally agree. TwilightGardener Jul 2012 #156

Thank you!...n/t whathehell Jul 2012 #201

And it is patently untrue. The OP misstates what the regulation will do. pnwmom Jul 2012 #204

Bloomie hates choice on any number of topics ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #4

Got Milk ? Betty Jo Jul 2012 #5

Breast feeding is clearly the better answer ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #26

Not necessarily true.... physioex Jul 2012 #27

In what way possible is corn subsidised by the government shadowrider Jul 2012 #29

I was referring to the corporate structures that run this country.... physioex Jul 2012 #30

Anyone can market anything they want. It's the consumers choice whether or not to buy. shadowrider Jul 2012 #34

OMG This place can be more RW than Yahoo.... physioex Jul 2012 #36

I don't disagree shadowrider Jul 2012 #41

I think there are places that should be free from marketing. gollygee Jul 2012 #95

And that was my point... physioex Jul 2012 #101

Using the force of law and regulation ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #43

I'm so sick of libertarians, that this seems like a welcome change. pnwmom Jul 2012 #134

Exactly. What are all these reactive comments about? Geesh. vanlassie Jul 2012 #138

Fought 1%er like Bloomie all my life to give people options, its not libertarian in the least ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #139

Well in this case, even a clock is right twice a day. vanlassie Jul 2012 #141

Interesting seeing the thread in HOF on this ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #144

The OP that you seem to agree with said "The nanny state is going after moms." pnwmom Jul 2012 #143

breast feeding is healthier riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #6

+1 Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #9

While I agree with you for obvious reasons, this removes, without a medical reason shadowrider Jul 2012 #10

the baby formula companies are doing the same thing lame54 Jul 2012 #14

I don't disagree shadowrider Jul 2012 #15

And this could actually help the parents make a choice. xmas74 Jul 2012 #20

The choice is still with the parent. If the mother refuses to nurse pnwmom Jul 2012 #56

Exactly. randome Jul 2012 #59

The documentation is aimed specifically at the nurses, (and docs)who have a habit of pushing formula vanlassie Jul 2012 #83

or are the corporations doing everything they can do get moms to give up breastmilk - which is FREE Coexist Jul 2012 #22

I understand, but you made the decision, it wasn't made for you. That's my point n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #24

they sent formula to a brand new mom... who may be struggling with breastfeeding Coexist Jul 2012 #25

I don't think "tired and exhausted" is a good state to be in. CTyankee Jul 2012 #87

I was a LLLI leader... I made house calls for free at all hours for new moms Coexist Jul 2012 #91

What you are saying was not my or my daughters' experience at all! CTyankee Jul 2012 #105

the vulture like access was referring to formula companies having their products Coexist Jul 2012 #113

I never said Nestle was the good guy. Nor would my daughters who tried so hard. CTyankee Jul 2012 #120

To me, being inundated with free samples and "swag" that basically makes me a formula advertizement antigone382 Jul 2012 #33

It absolutely does not remove any choice of a parent. pnwmom Jul 2012 #53

It does remove choice. From the article: shadowrider Jul 2012 #54

Wrong. There is ALWAYs a medical reason. If the mother chooses not to nurse, pnwmom Jul 2012 #89

Exactly! Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #124

Do they search her bags when she checks in??? vanlassie Jul 2012 #108

the mom doesn't need a "medical reason"- if you read the article Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #92

She wants the nanny state to feed her child. The formula cost goes on the insurance bill. vanlassie Jul 2012 #107

To me the nanny state would be the hospitals telling women to use formula riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #131

No, it gives, for medically supported reasons, the BEST nutrition for the BABY. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #165

Pushing unnecessary drugs and antibiotics to avoid lawsuits is a much greater public health threat 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #193

like bloomberg cares if proles breastfeed or not. it's about the $$$$. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #7

What money would that be? randome Jul 2012 #103

Medicaid, Medical Assistance Program, Family Health Plus, NYC Public Hospitals. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #146

Yeah, I still don't get that. randome Jul 2012 #161

medicaid is paid for by the feds and the *states* and managed by the *states*. poor people HiPointDem Jul 2012 #194

I too question his what his real motivations are ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #140

actually Mass. has done this, and it is a good thing- Romney vetoed it Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #8

Excellently put. randome Jul 2012 #37

Great points. nt. bananas Jul 2012 #115

He's fighting an uphill battle, but SoCalDem Jul 2012 #11

YES, the obesity epidemic does have connections to artifical feeding. vanlassie Jul 2012 #109

Power has gone to this jerks head. /nt still_one Jul 2012 #12

Not necessarily, read my post above. EOM physioex Jul 2012 #28

A tit fascist? Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #13

My favorite new mom ran low on breast milk KamaAina Jul 2012 #16

"manufactured baby food, as we know it today, was a byproduct of the European Industrial Revolution" villager Jul 2012 #17

No to the advertisement, but I'm worried about the parents not having something for backup. CTyankee Jul 2012 #18

When my ex-wife was pregnant with all my kids, the Dr. gave info on shadowrider Jul 2012 #19

Not every new mom has that advantage. There was a tragic story a few years ago where CTyankee Jul 2012 #21

When I had my child xmas74 Jul 2012 #23

Good. Unless a mother is incapable of breast feeding, that's the best way to raise a baby. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #31

sometimes, tho, women with the best of intentions, go thru a LOT of torment when the CTyankee Jul 2012 #86

I'd file that under "incapable" even though it doesn't mean she's not producing milk. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #154

sigh! I don't think the mayor HappyMe Jul 2012 #32

. shadowrider Jul 2012 #35

He isn't saying anything of the sort. randome Jul 2012 #40

And all I said said was he shouldn't have HappyMe Jul 2012 #44

No one is taking anyone's rights away! randome Jul 2012 #46

So we're all good then. The mayor DIDN"T say you have to breastfeed! vanlassie Jul 2012 #104

You would think so, wouldn't you? randome Jul 2012 #118

Yep vanlassie Jul 2012 #122

As a Mom who also worked for an Infant Formula Company HockeyMom Jul 2012 #38

First big sodas, now this. LisaL Jul 2012 #39

What about the sodas? physioex Jul 2012 #79

This is not about which is better. This is about freedom of choice. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #42

Absolutely correct n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #45

+1 eShirl Jul 2012 #47

Absolutely HockeyMom Jul 2012 #51

No one's going after moms. They're making it harder for corporations to pitch pnwmom Jul 2012 #52

"If anyone deserves a 'nanny state,' it is newborns." gollygee Jul 2012 #100

Medical necessity says otherwise TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #127

Nutrition is a medical necessity. All a doctor has to say pnwmom Jul 2012 #130

i think this is wrong for a number of reasons. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #58

So you think mothers SHOULD be encouraged to use formula? randome Jul 2012 #60

right. that is what i said. really rollin eyes. this is rw argument and so fuckin seabeyond Jul 2012 #61

Maybe it depends upon which hospital, because the hospital where I gave birth to my three boys, IndyJones Jul 2012 #149

Yeah, I'm thinking it's different in NYC for some reason. randome Jul 2012 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #168

Equal, no. Decisions, yes. vanlassie Jul 2012 #200

I always cast my vote for a Mayor who thinks he has a legal say in my baby feeding decidions. n/t kickysnana Jul 2012 #62

Read the thread. randome Jul 2012 #63

Ah, grasshopper you have a lot to learn n/t kickysnana Jul 2012 #78

This about hospitals, doctors and nurses not being marketing agents Cairycat Jul 2012 #64

- randome Jul 2012 #67

Way to many people here don't understand.. physioex Jul 2012 #81

A nurse told me gollygee Jul 2012 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #170

If you glance at the article, you will see Cairycat Jul 2012 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #190

So a hungry infant has to wait for formula to be available EmeraldCityGrl Jul 2012 #65

The formula fed baby will learn about waiting for food anyway Cairycat Jul 2012 #71

Pure sensationalism....That isn't going to happen. EOM physioex Jul 2012 #76

Adoption HockeyMom Jul 2012 #68

Actually, it's possible for adoptive mothers to nurse Cairycat Jul 2012 #70

I wish I had known that. mzteris Jul 2012 #84

The choice to breastfeed or formula feed is up to the mother, not Mayor Bloomberg. IndyJones Jul 2012 #72

If an action has medical consequences, shouldn't there be a medical reason for the action? Cairycat Jul 2012 #74

I am well aware of the benefits and downfalls. It is not a government official's place to make it IndyJones Jul 2012 #85

There is no 'medical necessity' for the mother randome Jul 2012 #102

Then why does the article state that a medical reason must be documented? IndyJones Jul 2012 #114

A 'medical reason' can likely be a note by the nurse. randome Jul 2012 #116

Proving that this is a ridiculous attempt to interfere in something that is no one's decison IndyJones Jul 2012 #117

That's the point. randome Jul 2012 #121

So the presumption is that mothers are too stupid to decide for themselves so the gummament IndyJones Jul 2012 #129

I DO agree. randome Jul 2012 #132

well, Indy, that's the point. vanlassie Jul 2012 #133

I don't think they are taking away anyone's rights. I appreciate the links of information IndyJones Jul 2012 #142

+1000 HockeyMom Jul 2012 #75

This guy's totally out of control. WillowTree Jul 2012 #80

Yeah, he's just the worst Republican around? HuckleB Jul 2012 #98

First, they came for the smokers. But I did nothing... n/t LuckyStrykes Jul 2012 #82

. HuckleB Jul 2012 #97

I don't think they should be handing out the free formula diaper bags, but OTOH I don't think gollygee Jul 2012 #88

Sometimes it's hard to remember Bloomberg is a Republican jmowreader Jul 2012 #94

What? A Republican versus "Big Pharma?" HuckleB Jul 2012 #96

I thought the same thing...what's wrong with this picture... CTyankee Jul 2012 #106

Okay, he's losing it now. What's wrong with him???? He shouldn't be elected again. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #110

Bloomberg - strange. emilyg Jul 2012 #112

"Document a medical reason for every bottle" is about medical personnel being ACCOUNTABLE Cairycat Jul 2012 #119

I'm starting to wonder if Murdoch has a stake in Nestle or something. redqueen Jul 2012 #189

Ok, so say you're the Mayor of big major NYC... MichiganVote Jul 2012 #123

More of the same - old white men trying to control everything women do. nt TBF Jul 2012 #125

Exactly!!! And that plus a power trip! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #126

Each day gets a little weirder. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #128

This policy just changes default behavior, and saves the gov't $ missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #135

who gave him the power over a families personal decisions on their baby? madrchsod Jul 2012 #136

That's a bit of a stretch. vanlassie Jul 2012 #137

Oh good god. Alduin Jul 2012 #145

He's right. aquart Jul 2012 #152

Will she be limited to producing 16 oz.? B2G Jul 2012 #155

So stupid. I tried breastfeeding and my baby did not take to it. Jennicut Jul 2012 #157

No, no, no. Your children are sickly, scrawny, less intelligent, full of allergies, TwilightGardener Jul 2012 #158

I know. Jennicut Jul 2012 #163

My wife breastfed our daughter Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #159

Next thing you know he'll be mandating that everyone wear name tags. Arkana Jul 2012 #162

Or have numbers tattooed on their bodies slackmaster Jul 2012 #167

I wish some of these late posters would bother to peruse the rest of the thread. randome Jul 2012 #164

I don't need Nanny Bloomberg dictating that I receive a lecture B2G Jul 2012 #172

It is a lost cause. redqueen Jul 2012 #181

Breast v. bottle is not the issue here...the issue is that Bloomberg should not be AzDar Jul 2012 #166

He certainly needs to review his job description. nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #169

Who should be responsible for putting checks on corporate advertising if not a public official? randome Jul 2012 #171

He's not doing this because of corporate advertising B2G Jul 2012 #173

No one is taking anyone's choice away. randome Jul 2012 #174

This isn't about corporations, you are extrapolating that to boost your argument B2G Jul 2012 #175

Are you just taking contrary positions to everything I say? randome Jul 2012 #177

They are being forced to listen to a lecture B2G Jul 2012 #179

I saw nothing mentioned about a lecture. randome Jul 2012 #180

From the article in the OP B2G Jul 2012 #184

Since when is trash from the Post considered to be worth anything? nt redqueen Jul 2012 #187

This is pure bloomberg nonesense. He is a power hungry ass. He dictated a similar thing with the still_one Jul 2012 #176

What kind of 'dictation' is taking place? randome Jul 2012 #178

As far as I know no nurse or doctor tells a mom they must use formula. In fact they try to still_one Jul 2012 #196

Mayor Nanny hates indiviudal freedoms. ... spin Jul 2012 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author B2G Jul 2012 #183

nobody is denying babies their formula ffs.. frylock Jul 2012 #185

Butbutbut MURDOCH SAID!!!! redqueen Jul 2012 #186

Just take the kids at birth and raise them until they're 21 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #192

What's next? Glassunion Jul 2012 #195

I am generally skeptical of invocations of "nanny state" complaints . . . markpkessinger Jul 2012 #197

Well then, you will be glad to know vanlassie Jul 2012 #199

Is it just me, or does he seem overly interested in what people are drinking. n/t hughee99 Jul 2012 #198

He's really had some odd ideas lately. jpbollma Jul 2012 #202

Just stop hiding the breasts jberryhill Jul 2012 #203