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Straw Man

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54. And yet again ...

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:55 PM

Mar 2018

I have yet to see ONE situation where an AR-15 assault was used in any sort of practical way, in a self defense manner where an ordinary hand gun would have not only have sufficed, but been far more practical.

Here's one:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

Would an "ordinary hand gun" have sufficed? Who knows? Would it have been "more practical"? I don't see how it possibly could have been. One against three is not good odds, and a handgun is not as effective as a rifle.

What is an "ordinary hand gun" anyway?

Anyone sleep with an AR-15 under their pillow?

Are you advocating sleeping with a handgun under one's pillow? Foolish and dangerous.

And by contrast, the list of tragedies involving AR-15 assault rifles keeps growing.

Unlike the list of tragedies with handguns?

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Don't let the NRA fool you with their "facts" [View all] Ohioboy Mar 2018 OP

Excellent. Plus, so-called "assault rifles" are used against society ways besides mass shootings. Hoyt Mar 2018 #1

Fools on parade Ohioboy Mar 2018 #4

Sorry Fellas, The second amendment won't work for you in this century. dubyadiprecession Mar 2018 #7

good point yonder Mar 2018 #13

PAY ATTENTION TO ME, DAMMIT! moondust Mar 2018 #14

You really do love that picture, don't you Hoyt? Straw Man Mar 2018 #17

Hoyt has quite the collection of racially segregated photos of gun owners... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2018 #24

Represents majority of gun owners, and for some reason you guys seem OK with it. Hoyt Mar 2018 #28

Have you any factual basis for that claim? Straw Man Mar 2018 #35

"Represents majority of gun owners" Really? EX500rider Mar 2018 #56

First, percentage of people who own a gun is a better measure, and it's Hoyt Mar 2018 #57

Your claims are merely 'proof by assertion', or argumentum ad nauseum friendly_iconoclast Apr 2018 #58

Quite the collection? Straw Man Mar 2018 #34

+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #26

Well....I don't have any GP6971 Mar 2018 #2

Lucky you Ohioboy Mar 2018 #3

I agree GP6971 Mar 2018 #5

Lots of gunners support NRA efforts, but are too cheap to pay dues. Hoyt Mar 2018 #6

Agree GP6971 Mar 2018 #11

Three kinds of lies... Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #8

Twain has always been a favorite of mine. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #9

Point of clarification. The James Oliver Huberty uzi was a semi-auto carbine. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #10

Thanks for the clarification Ohioboy Mar 2018 #12

Not a problem. I'm here to help. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #15

i guess they just prefer AR15's when they're shooting children...fuck the nra spanone Mar 2018 #16

Here's another fact: Straw Man Mar 2018 #18

So what you are saying is... Ohioboy Mar 2018 #19

Nothing of the kind. Straw Man Mar 2018 #20

With all due respect, you are missing the point: 5 of the 10 used ARs within the last 7 years! Ohioboy Mar 2018 #21

Which is not the same point you made in the last post, or the one before that. Straw Man Mar 2018 #22

I get it that you don't want to ban ARs. That's fine. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #23

Not even remotely "provable." Straw Man Mar 2018 #32

I would like to see these weapons treated a little stricter than others. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #36

Remove AR-15s? They aren't going anywhere. EL34x4 Mar 2018 #27

I understand that. And, yes you are right. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #31

Here's where you're wrong. Straw Man Mar 2018 #37

Not all semi-autos are made to accept bump stocks, right? Ohioboy Mar 2018 #38

It's the other way around. Straw Man Mar 2018 #47

But isn't it easier to put a bump stock on a rifle where you can remove the original stock? Ohioboy Mar 2018 #50

It totally depends on the construction of the stock. Straw Man Mar 2018 #52

OK. shanny Mar 2018 #29

Hmm ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #33

Correlation does not equal causation Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #25

My argument is based on facts and numbers. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #30

"designed to accept devices like bump stocks" -- is putting the cart before the horse. X_Digger Mar 2018 #39

They are designed for accessories, whether those accessories came later or not. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #40

All rifles are designed for accessories. A ruger 10/22 has a ton of accessories for it- it's popular X_Digger Mar 2018 #41

Well guess what, my finger is an accessory too then, since I've bump fired with just that before. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #42

A ruger 10/22 is a "platform" as much as an AR is. Meaning, there are lots of accessories. X_Digger Mar 2018 #43

Yeah, and a string. You forgot to mention that string in your list. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #44

What a compelling argument you make. X_Digger Mar 2018 #45

Why are you doing this? Ohioboy Mar 2018 #46

I'm trying to get you to put the cart before the horse because the reverse doesn't make sense. X_Digger Mar 2018 #53

Your argument is based upon a cherry picked numbers Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #48

Substitute the word "capable" for the word "designed" in those statements. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #55

Wait a minute... Ohioboy Mar 2018 #51

and yet mnmoderatedem Mar 2018 #49

And yet again ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #54